K, well I just upgrade a ton of stuff on my TBI camaro and it's running pretty poorly and suckign away my gas. I was going to get a chip from tbichips.com, but the guy wants $50 for him to setup a base chip and $20 for every update, and he says it will take him atleast 5 updates .

The camaro is my daily driver and I need it up and running good ASAP!!!!

What's the cheapest programer out there?

Will any of the ones here work: http://batronix.com/electronic/e-shop.shtml

He also said if my Lobe sep is under 112 it will never run right..Why is that?

Deg. Adv @ .50" Int. Exh. - 216 216
Duration Int. Exh.- 280 280
Valve Lift Int. Exh. - .454” .454”
Lobe Sep. Deg. Int./Exh. - 105/115

I'm also using 1.6 rockers....

Anyone near the Chicago area that wants to make me a chip?

Brian

 

http://www.futurlec.com/EPROMProg.shtml

 

Dang, why didn't someone tell me about this programmer before I bought my programmer2! Has anyone ever used it? Just curious.

PJ

 

I use it, works great.

 

Nice price, but that one can't program EEPROM's (29C256). What is a good reliable programmer that will program EEPROM's besides the pocket programmer. I'm looking for one that is better and less expensive than the ppII because I've seen and heard about alot of problems with the pocket programmer.

 

Yes it can and does. I use it for my 29C040. The site hasn't been updated to reflect the new software it comes with.

 

I dunno about Morley's programmer, but the Epromer5 uses windows software that works even with winxp, good versitility. Find them cheap($100 shipped) on ebay.

 

Morely - what OS'(s) is the updated Futurlec programmer software compatible with? Any bad burn's with that programmer? Have you seen any error's, bugs, or problems with it?

Thanks,
Mike (1bad91Z)

 

That SPEP from what I've heard IS a PocketProgrammer 1, and some people are saying the PP1 is better than the PP2. Don't know what merit that has, but thought it worth mention.

 

I don't know if it is the PP1 but a friend of mine tried it with his PP2 software and it worked perfectly.

So far I have gotten it to work with win 95, 98 and XP.
Never got a bad burn no glitches so far. The only thing you need to watch out for is that the power plug for it is center negative, the PP1 and PP2 are center positive.

 

?? My old PP1 is center negative...

 

Is it? I thought I read somewhere (X-tronics?) that they were both pos.

Well in either case, most power supplies you get are center pos (except the ratshacks that you can switch). So be careful when you go to plug it in.

 

Morley,

Where did you get your power supply? At Radioshack I was not able to find a 10V power supply like they mention on the web site. Will a 9v supply work, I know that actual voltage of a 9V is above 9V. What do you use....

Thanks,

Tom

 

A 9 volt supply should work fine, just make sure that it can suppy the amperage needed. A 9 volt wall wort usually "ides", no load around 3-4 volts higher. BW

 

I've had one for about 6 months, works fine with 95 and 2K, about the only bugga boo is 1) no case, I made one up from aluminum. and 2) when using 256K and larger chips with 16K bin file is the software will at this time allow adjustment to the start address of the Eprom. For example my bin file is 16K and have to double it to 32K in to fill both halfs of a 29AT256. Supposidly a "fix" is in the works, but thats been 6 months now.. BW

 

I asked the company the same thing, they said any power supply from 9-12 volts would do BUT it must be at least 850mv.
I am using a 12v 1 A powersupply I got from raidoshack several years ago, works great.

 

This is with the software you received with it?

 

Yes, the windows software that ships with it will do the 29 series.

 

$150 for maybe getting it right?, and probably more?. Excuse me for laughing. thanks to folks like him, you'll be seeing fewer and fewer folks contributing to the DIY effort. It's sad seeing someone like that ruin things for others. One very popular site closed, after seeing him and a few others trying to make money off the good nature of others.

I've run 110 and 224x224, and .470 lift cams with TBI. Does take some work, so it's not a fast buck, for the money makers, so no you won't see commercial guys trying to actually do anything time consuming. After all they're just in it for the $$$$$.

Xtronics has never done anything but given me excellent support. There are other programmers out there, but day in and day out support is something to consider, IMO.

 

Just wanted to add a note that it may be a good idea to stay away from the Epromer5. I bought one because it was cheaper, burned one chip, and then it quit working when I tried to rewrite a 29C256, screwing up the program that was on it, and I had to suffer through limp mode for about a week. The response I got from USTR was to read the "Problems" page on their website and to "figure out what's wrong with it". I ended up getting a Pocket Programmer instead, and have had no problems at all. My advice would be to spend the extra $50 for the PP2, and avoid the problem of having to buy a second programmer. Basically stick with what's known to work.

 

I ordered one of the programmers from the Futurlec link posted above. Two or three days after I ordered it, I got an email confirming my order and stating that the programmer had been shipped and should arive in about 1 week. Two weeks later, it finally showed up in my mailbox It looks like a quality built unit but came with absolutely no documentation whatsoever. Instruction for use are on the disk that comes with it, but if you didn't look at the website, you would have no idea that it required a 10V power supply. Even at that, without asking the company or reading info above in this thread, you would have no way of knowing that it required a minimum of 850mA power supply or that jack's polarity is center pin negative.

BTW, the instruction manuals on the disk are for the "Pocket Programmer" from Intronics, Inc. so that would support the notion that this unit is a Pocket Programmer.

 

Yeah, they take a while to get to you, they are shipped from Bangkok Thailand.

Now-a-days if something has a CD with it all of your instructiins will be on the disk, it saves them some money on printing.

The power requirements could be a little better defined on their site.

 

That would explain all the funky symbols all over the packaging. It wouldn't hurt anything to add a little blurb to the text file about the power supply requirements either. Just curious, did yours come with a CD? Mine just came with a single floppy. Good thing I still have one of those legacy drives takin' up space in box.

 

So this is a good burner? Everything is included? I was thinking about the one from www.batronix.com but I might get this one instead. Anyone??

 

I'm having some issues with it. I'm using 2732A's for the '7747 and the Windows software will read, move, verify, everything EXCEPT program the chips. They also included a newer DOS version of the software and the results were the same using it. There is also an older DOS version on the disk and I finally got it to program the chips with it. I went back and erased those same known good chips that I got to burn in the old DOS version and retried them in the Windows software.... same results. I don't get it

My home made eraser seems to working just fine though.... about 3 minutes to erase a 2732A and it holds 6 at a time.

 

I've been informed by an individual using this same programmer that they were having the exact same issues as I'm having. I guess the software is super picky about the computer the programmer is connected to. They switched to the PP2 software and that seemed to fix the problems. So, anyone know where I can get my hands on the PP2 software?

 

Anyone??? Should I get this one or stick with the one from batronix???


TTT

 

What chips are you going to be programming? I've tested a bunch of different chips now and so far, the only problems I've had is with 2732's and 2732A's. And then only certain brands. Some brands work just fine, some will only work with the DOS software and some won't program at all. FWIW, all the other chips I tried worked flawlessly. I sent Futurlec a detailed report of my findings and they said they will be looking into the software to see if it is the source of the problem. We'll see what happens, if anything.

 

Well, a friend of mine was using a batronix burner to burn my current chip. I believe it is a 29C256. Does that sound right? I know its a flash prom. I need to get my own burner b/c he couldn't spend the time I needed to tune my car. Which burner should I get? Thanks again

 

yeah, I'd like to know too. I need to program 29C256's.

 

If either one of you wants to send me one of those chips and the .bin you want burned on it, I'll be more than happy to try it out on the SPEP and send it back to you. Morley posted above that he has no problems using his for 29C040's FWIW.

 

It'll probably do 29C256 if does the other 29XXXXs. How much did the power source cost you?

 

$10 at raidoshack. They sell one for playstations that has a bunch of different types of connectors for it and has a 10V 850ma output, which is EXACTLY what the SPEP calls for.

 

You're probably right, it probably will program the 29C256's just fine, however your logic doesn't hold with the 27 series. I can program 27C128' and 27C1001's just fine, but I have only found one brand of 2732A's that will program with the Windows software.

 

Running the PP2 and 2732As for my 93 9C1's C3 ECM...I am very happy with my programmer, and would recommend it to anyone. It does program Atmel and compatible devices (EEPROMs). I used it for an EE project using the 29C512...

 

So will it program the 29C256's?? Or will I have program and communication problems with my new Dell computer??? TIA

 

Send me a chip and the .bin you want on it and I'll give it a whirl. Only one way to find out.

 

The PP2 will absolutely program a 29C256. Seems like it will program almost any 32 pin or less EPROM or EEPROM/FLASH chip...

http://www.xtronics.com/memory/EPROM.htm#supported

 

We were talking about the SPEP Plus from Futurlec.

 

If you are running win XP I wouldn't guarantee that it will program the chip, of course there are quite a few people that can't get the PP2 to program chips in XP either.
If you use win 98, then I would say, yes, it will program the chip no problem.

 

Well that sucks. I have Windows XP... what should I get then?? Anyone?????? PLEASE HELP

 

Just got mine today. Going to get a power supply now and give it a try.! I also just got a disk no CD. All info on the disk refrenced it as a pocket programmer!

 

TORC: so it burns 2732A's some of the time? I dont mind using the old DOS software if I know it'll burn. Do you happen to remember which chips it burned OK on?

Thanks for any help man

 

any one know what I might be doing wrong. I fired up the programmer I got today and I was able to write "FF" to all the cells, which is basically making the chip blank 29C256. It did this fine. However, when I tried to write a bin from tunercat to the chip it got to about 400 then it gave me an error and said programming failure has occurred. Device did not program.

Any Ideas what I might be doing wrong.

This is what I had done up to this point.
1. ran program Win_prg
2. selected at29C256 (since this is the chip I am using)
3. Just for the heck of it I "filled buffer" with FF
4. then I "Program Device" and it went thru the whole process with out any problems and said Device is programmed
5. If I went to blank check it stated that it was blank (previously the chip was not blank) so I know it wrote FF to all the blocks.
6. Went to "Load Buffer" with the binary setting on and selected the "bin" file i wanted to program.
7. I looked in edit buffer to make sure it did load and it did appear to.
8 then I "program device" and this is when I got the error at the beginning of the burn.

Does anyone see something I am doing wrong?

Ps. I am using win 98

do yo think that if I were to use 27c256 that it might work with those? Has any one had luck with either chip set?

 

No problem... here's what I found:

ST 27C1001: Programmed with Windows software without any problems.
TI 27C128: Programmed with Windows software without any problems.
Intel 2732A: Programmed with Windows software without any problems.

ST 2732A: Failed to program with Windows software, programmed with old DOS version.
TI 2732A: Failed to program with Windows software, programmed with old DOS version.
(Note: some TI 2732A's failed to program with either Windows or DOS)

Mitsubishi 2732: Failed to program with Windows software, failed to program with old DOS version.
NEC 2732: Failed to program with Windows software, failed to program with old DOS version.
TI 2732: Failed to program with Windows software, failed to program with old DOS version.

 

Nothing. I ran into a similar problem using my laptop to program the chips, I switched to a desktop running win 98 and all worked well.

 

Where did you pick up the Intel 2732A's? Ive been checking on the internet and cant seem to find a place.

The ST 27C1001 and TI 27C128 will work with the 8746, too without any special stuff?

 

Well, I bought a 50 lot of pulls off of Ebay and 3 of them happened to be Intel 2732A's. The majority were TI 2732A's. I did find a place that sell brand new Intel 2732A's but I didn't really want to pay $19.95 a piece for them. Especially since I thought they were pulls and requested a quote for 20 of them. The RFQ response came back with a price of $19.95 or a qty of 25. Just didn't have $498 laying around to drop on EPROM's. Most of the surplus guys selling pulls I've talked to so far just say, mix manufacturers... you get what you get.

I have now idea what an '8746 even uses. I also have no idea if a 27C128 or 27C1001 can even be used in any ECM. They are just some chips I yanked off of old motherboards, etc. when I was playing with programmer to see if/how it worked.

 

I have tried 2 computers with win 98, one laptop and 1 desktop and both same problem.

 

Yahoo!! It worked. Tried a third computer and it worked!! I was able to burn the chip the 29c256. It verified fine and I loaded the info from the chip back into the computer fine.

Now all I have to do is put the engine back in the car!