BigWhiteGTP

I want my car to run nice and cool, so will these 3 things work? I've used water wetter before and loved it. But how cool will it run? It's usually a few ticks below 220* mark in the summer, and around 180 or whatever that big mark before 220* is the rest of the time. Will it stay around there with these 3 things?

Thanks.

'Shifter

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As long as your fans are pulling hard and your radiator is in good
condition, it should, though I'd opt for a 160 degree stat for Arizona.

matt3383

Hey man I know a couple people thathave used 160 thermos some liked it but if your going to get stuck in traffic for a little bit i would reccomend what i have a 180 thermostat. As far as the fans go with a switch, i hooked both fans up to the same switch so i can flip em both on at the same time, and it works wonders. With the AC on and sitting in traffic for awhile its rare ill see the car hit 200 degrees, mostly just cruising around it sits right near 180. As far as a water wetter your going to have to inlighten me on that i have never heard of one lol

'Shifter

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Red Line makes Water Wetter, and they claim a 10-15 degree
drop in temp, but I'm thinking more like 5-10 is a little more realistic.

BigWhiteGTP

Any drop is good. I get Water Wetter at Lopers on Country Club just north of the Broadway overpass. Like $7 per bottle, but worth it. I got 2 bottles a couple years ago for my GTP and loved it.

Can you pick up 180's at Autozone or do you have to order it online?

And is there anyway to rig the fans to come on at startup? My old Trans Am was rigged that way from the previous owner and the car was always running cool.

'Shifter

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The Stant pn# is 45356 for a Super-Stat, but I would get a Mr. Gasket pn# 4363 which Lopers' probably has. They are the deep
dish, high-flow Robert Shaw t-stat's that are fail-safe. I was going
to wire my fans to a toggle, but decided that it's just extra wear on
the fans if the thermostat isn't open anyway....I used a Hyper-tech
switch and ran both fans to it, on at 170 off at 166. Works keen-
I run at 170 while sitting in traffic with the a/c on (when I'm not
fighting my alternator, that is....).

matt3383

I had mine rigged up on the startup but i didnt like it. I have mine run off a toggle switch that i put down near the hood release. You have to run power to the fans off the ignition on wire under the dash, or you can splice into the fan wires ( what i did ) and run a wire from the battery 12-14AWG to the toggle switch in your car. I wouldnt recommend using anything smaller than 14 AWG cause of the amps running to power those fans. I also wouldnt recommend using any sort of butt connector or plastic connector becuase they will get toasted from the current and heat. Where you cut into the fan wires i would use solder and shrink wrap to do the connecting right

BigWhiteGTP

Thanks for the part#. I'll go get that this weekend.

Now for the fan switch, you said I could run a toggle switch, you just opted not to, right? Well, that sounds cool to me. How would I go about wiring that up? I don't want to drill a hole in my car to mount the switch, so could I buy a button and use double sided tape to mount it?

Matt, when would you be free to help me out with that?

Thanks you guys, I appreciate it.

-Kevin

matt3383

The way i mounted the toggle switch is threw the plastic cover that covers the left side of the drivers floor. Its the piece that goes around the hood latch release. I doubt sticky tape will hold up to well to the heat but we can try. Im not sure if you want to rig yours up the way i did. I feel like i did kind of a hack job once i heard another wya to do it. You can tap into the wire that sends power to the fans instead of splicing the fan wires themselves. I cut the fan wires at the plugs ( not a good idea ). I would look up in the hanes manual or do a search on dual fans or something i know i came across it before, ill try again. That thread tells you which wire to tap into to bypass going through the temp switch. So even if you forget to turn your fans on and your temp switch is working your fans will still come on. Mine if i forget to turn em on, i overheat. Then the power is as simple as getting a good Stainless steel round connector to attatch to you postive side battery cable tie and running it to the switch with 14AWG wire.

'Shifter

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Also make sure your toggle can handle the amperage load...
Most of them are not rated very heavily, better to do overkill here.
I was going to mount mine in the little panel onder the cigarette
lighter.

BigWhiteGTP

That's where I was thinking of mounting mine.

Apeiron

Better is to use a relay close to the fan, then you don't have to use a high-current switch and run heavy gauge wire through the car.

'Shifter

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True....but I've found that the higher rated switches also tend to use
better internals......plus I'm a firm believer in overkill.

matt3383

I have a 50 amp toggle switch on mine

'Shifter

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That's what I'm talkin.......

matt3383

Belive it or not i found that bad boy at checker LOL

xlwhellraiser

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Alright, I have the fan wired to a 20 amp switch. Its just t-ed into the yellow wire from the relay and than grounded to the frame. I used this for about a year and the fan is working great. I think that 20amps are enough to wire anything in your car. Your fuel pump, which I would think uses a lot more current than the fan, is less than 20amps. So dont worry even if you have a 15amp switch you'll be fine.

Now, the water wetter only works good when its mixed with water. If you have 50/50 on your radiator than dont even bother putting it in. It will take about 3 bottles (personal experiment in a totally new cooling system) to get it 15 degrees down, plus it wont last you more than month or two. I used 4 water wetters with 50/50 mix and it got it down one notch from what it usually runs.
Than I poured in 80/20 and it got it three notches down. So thats about how it works.
THere is also another product that cools your car down 40 degrees, but it has to be mixed in by itself and I belive no antifreeze or very little for that matter. THis product will have your car run way cooler (I tested it) but in the winter you do not want this baby in your system.
180 thermo will get you down a bit, but without tuning your chip to run cooler I dont think you will see big improvement. Maybe a notch down.
Also those highflow stats are awsome, however if you cant get your hands on one get a normal one and drill a tiny hole in it for venting. That way if you have any air in the system it will go out of the way and the thermo will open when its suposed to.

matt3383

You said you are using a 20 amp switch for your fan? So does that mean you are using the switch for 1 fan or 2? For 1 fan i could see using a 20 amp switch but i have toasted a couple 15-20's or different styles but i am running both fans on 1 switch.

'Shifter

iTrader: (2)

The higher amp switches usually have silver contacts and zinc
metal housings that are more forgiving to draw, and don't really
cost but a coupla bucks more, why deal with the aggrevation if
you don't have to?

xlwhellraiser

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Hey, m.hall

I actually got the thermostat, and was wondering how it works. THe package says that its not for highway use.

Would there be a problem if I use this thermo for a long time on the highway???
Other than that, how does the 4364mrgasket thermo serve you??
THanks.