1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
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1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
Hi On my 1989 Camaro IROC Z, "ASC" , GM factory authorized, Convertible, the second bow (from front) sags down with the top up. It does not hold the fabric up, taunt, like the 3 RD and 4 TH bows.
It appears to have been built without ever having right side "Flip Rods". Evidenced by the lack of drilled holes, to mount the Flip Rods to. Please see attached photos and opine. I always wondered why the top required so much effort to raise up and down. But I never forced it! Is this top correct for my 1989? It is not lined with a headliner.
I suppose I will need to buy the aftermarket rods, and drill and tap some holes? Ever seen one built like this? Thanks.
It appears to have been built without ever having right side "Flip Rods". Evidenced by the lack of drilled holes, to mount the Flip Rods to. Please see attached photos and opine. I always wondered why the top required so much effort to raise up and down. But I never forced it! Is this top correct for my 1989? It is not lined with a headliner.
I suppose I will need to buy the aftermarket rods, and drill and tap some holes? Ever seen one built like this? Thanks.
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
Right side no holes drilled for flip rods
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
My 89 has flip rods, but your one fliprod looks vastly different from the ones I've seen. It's possible someone repaired it at ASC or afterward.
What do your latches look like?
What do your latches look like?
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
Do these photos show enough or shall I post a top open photo? The fabrics is more than shot, this is an in progress restoration I am doing.
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
That's fine, I thought maybe you might have the early type latches, but they're the same as mine.
Someone in the other thread mentioned the early type frames don't have the flip rods, but the latches on those frame are much larger. Yours are much smaller, like mine.
I've never seen a flip rod like the one you have, but ASC did many other GM and other car brands. I'm wondering if they mixed and matched, so to speak. It's possible you could buy the flip rods and update it by drilling like you said. I'd be tempted to try that if the top is somewhat difficult to raise/lower.
Maybe somebody here with more knowledge will chime in. I can't tell from my phone screen if the round bar that the one flip rod is attached to is threaded on the bow side. Both of mine are.
Someone in the other thread mentioned the early type frames don't have the flip rods, but the latches on those frame are much larger. Yours are much smaller, like mine.
I've never seen a flip rod like the one you have, but ASC did many other GM and other car brands. I'm wondering if they mixed and matched, so to speak. It's possible you could buy the flip rods and update it by drilling like you said. I'd be tempted to try that if the top is somewhat difficult to raise/lower.
Maybe somebody here with more knowledge will chime in. I can't tell from my phone screen if the round bar that the one flip rod is attached to is threaded on the bow side. Both of mine are.
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
That's fine, I thought maybe you might have the early type latches, but they're the same as mine.
Someone in the other thread mentioned the early type frames don't have the flip rods, but the latches on those frame are much larger. Yours are much smaller, like mine.
I've never seen a flip rod like the one you have, but ASC did many other GM and other car brands. I'm wondering if they mixed and matched, so to speak. It's possible you could buy the flip rods and update it by drilling like you said. I'd be tempted to try that if the top is somewhat difficult to raise/lower.
Maybe somebody here with more knowledge will chime in. I can't tell from my phone screen if the round bar that the one flip rod is attached to is threaded on the bow side. Both of mine are
Yes, the round rod hole is threaded, where the flat rod attaches with a screw .
Someone in the other thread mentioned the early type frames don't have the flip rods, but the latches on those frame are much larger. Yours are much smaller, like mine.
I've never seen a flip rod like the one you have, but ASC did many other GM and other car brands. I'm wondering if they mixed and matched, so to speak. It's possible you could buy the flip rods and update it by drilling like you said. I'd be tempted to try that if the top is somewhat difficult to raise/lower.
Maybe somebody here with more knowledge will chime in. I can't tell from my phone screen if the round bar that the one flip rod is attached to is threaded on the bow side. Both of mine are
Yes, the round rod hole is threaded, where the flat rod attaches with a screw .
Yes, the top is difficult, to the point where my wife could not raise and lower it. (However the top on her 2005 Toyota Camry Solara Vert, is fully electric, except for the latches)!
Thanks folks. Anyone else ?
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
This photo shows how the top sags down, at the second bow. I am hoping to correct this with new Flip Rods, and a new top fabric.
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
Good catch, 841LE!
I will check and advise later!
TDS Representative, please drop it to this thread. Looks like I am going to need some top frame parts!
Thanks, all.
I will check and advise later!
TDS Representative, please drop it to this thread. Looks like I am going to need some top frame parts!
Thanks, all.
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
Welded... i wonder if it was damaged at one point and welded/repaired. I noticed too your bow doesn't reach the rail above the weather strip. Does the end of the bow stop without touching the rail or is that just the pic.
On mine it seems a bit longer with a slight bend. So many variations, if that is not a repair.
The other end of the round bar is hinged with a pin (bad pic).
On mine it seems a bit longer with a slight bend. So many variations, if that is not a repair.
The other end of the round bar is hinged with a pin (bad pic).
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
I guess when I am ready to install a new top, I will look into aftermarket Flip Rods and install them. Top Down Solutions(TDS) I presume?
Yes, the top is difficult, to the point where my wife could not raise and lower it. (However the top on her 2005 Toyota Camry Solara Vert, is fully electric, except for the latches)!
Thanks folks. Anyone else ?
Yes, the top is difficult, to the point where my wife could not raise and lower it. (However the top on her 2005 Toyota Camry Solara Vert, is fully electric, except for the latches)!
Thanks folks. Anyone else ?
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
Thanks all! My car's production date is 12/88, not too early in the typical August to August run. I guess when I replace the top, I will just have to check everything for straightness/incorrect bends and lube it up.
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
My ‘91 is the same. Only a single flip rod on the drivers side and no provision for on on the passenger side. The single is not tubular as well
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
Nice looking Camaro! It will be a while before i get to top replacement. If your get any more inside and / or side view outsides, please post them. My IROC Z Vert need quite a bit of work. Thanks.
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
Hey, I have an 89 vert RS and my frame is the exact same as yours, no flip rods on the right side. The reason I found this is because my driver side flip rod broke and can't find one anywhere.
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
Op saying thank you for your response.
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Re: 1989 Camaro ASC Vert never had right side Flip Rods ?
OP , here...The top on my 1989 IROC Z , "LEFT SIDE ONLY FLIP ROD", Vert has needed a new top, since I bought it. Just how good/bad will a NEW, fabric top look, when it is installed? Is it gonna sag down, at the second bow?
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