Vert body twist?
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From: New Jersey
Car: 91 Z28 Coupe
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73
Vert body twist?
The more I read the board, the more I worry. Last year I bought a 91 Z28 Vert with a 305 and T5. Well the engine took a crap, and I replaced it with a basic 350. I have a 650 carb and no other power adders. Do I have to worry about frame twist, or cracked windshield, if I decide to jump on the pedal? I haven't had any issues so far, but the car has been out of service for a while( for one reason or another). Should I look in to SFCs? What should I worry about?
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From: ingersoll, ontario, canada
Car: 1984 z28
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 3.23
Re: Vert body twist?
no matter what engine you have, sfc's are a must for any f-body, especially the verts. As for twisting it, when the frame is connected i dont think you will have an issue with a mild 350
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From: stallings,n.c.
Car: 1989 camaro rs convertable
Engine: 305 tbi
Transmission: 700r4
Axle/Gears: 7.5"3.42 gears forth gen 2000 camar
Re: Vert body twist?
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...QEwAg&dur=3671
this is what i have.i bolted them in and then had them welded.my cars stock except for the rear gear ratio.these and the front strut brace helped alot.
this is what i have.i bolted them in and then had them welded.my cars stock except for the rear gear ratio.these and the front strut brace helped alot.
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From: Il
Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: Vert body twist?
The carb swap worries me more than flexible chassis but subframes are a must have.
The car won't fall apart without them, unless its rusty.
The car won't fall apart without them, unless its rusty.
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Engine: Vortec 4200 Inline 6 PT70 Turbo..
Transmission: 4L65E
Axle/Gears: 3.73
Re: Vert body twist?
They are a must.. These cars are flimsy! The body flexes more than the suspension.
If you are crafty I would suggest making a set, square/rectangular/round tubing...anything helps. Tie it to the front bolt on the rear LCA's. Somehow triangulate it over to the trans rails. Connecting it underneath the car with an overly beefy driveshaft loop.
My set were from Soutside Machine and are no longer produced but they do tie into the lca bolt. They are a rectangular tube design. Roughly 1.5"x2.5". My cage is welded to them through the floor, making it pretty damn stout.
Many wheels up launches so far, no wrinkled quarter panels. front door gaps have grown maybe 1/8" but nothing too bad.
Goodluck!
If you are crafty I would suggest making a set, square/rectangular/round tubing...anything helps. Tie it to the front bolt on the rear LCA's. Somehow triangulate it over to the trans rails. Connecting it underneath the car with an overly beefy driveshaft loop.
My set were from Soutside Machine and are no longer produced but they do tie into the lca bolt. They are a rectangular tube design. Roughly 1.5"x2.5". My cage is welded to them through the floor, making it pretty damn stout.
Many wheels up launches so far, no wrinkled quarter panels. front door gaps have grown maybe 1/8" but nothing too bad.
Goodluck!
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Car: 1989 Iroc convertible
Engine: 305
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: 3.08 posi
Re: Vert body twist?
They are a must.. These cars are flimsy! The body flexes more than the suspension.
If you are crafty I would suggest making a set, square/rectangular/round tubing...anything helps. Tie it to the front bolt on the rear LCA's. Somehow triangulate it over to the trans rails. Connecting it underneath the car with an overly beefy driveshaft loop.
My set were from Soutside Machine and are no longer produced but they do tie into the lca bolt. They are a rectangular tube design. Roughly 1.5"x2.5". My cage is welded to them through the floor, making it pretty damn stout.
Many wheels up launches so far, no wrinkled quarter panels. front door gaps have grown maybe 1/8" but nothing too bad.
Goodluck!
If you are crafty I would suggest making a set, square/rectangular/round tubing...anything helps. Tie it to the front bolt on the rear LCA's. Somehow triangulate it over to the trans rails. Connecting it underneath the car with an overly beefy driveshaft loop.
My set were from Soutside Machine and are no longer produced but they do tie into the lca bolt. They are a rectangular tube design. Roughly 1.5"x2.5". My cage is welded to them through the floor, making it pretty damn stout.
Many wheels up launches so far, no wrinkled quarter panels. front door gaps have grown maybe 1/8" but nothing too bad.
Goodluck!
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From: O'Fallon, MO
Car: 1991 Z28 convertible built 3/1/1990
Engine: Cammed 6.0L LSX
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: custom Ford 8.8", 4.10 gears
Re: Vert body twist?
This. The carb swap makes me cringe.
You'll be fine with having a convertible, just put a set of SFC's on it like others have mentioned.
#10
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From: SOUTH JERSEY
Car: 92 TA VERT
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: 5-SPEED
Axle/Gears: 3.08
Re: Vert body twist?
What are the better sfc to get? I heard some of them had clearance issues. Are some better for single cats VS dual cats?
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From: Marietta, GA
Car: '91 Firebird Convertible
Engine: 305 TBI (LO3)
Transmission: 700r4, Vette Servo
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 Bolt, PBR disks
Re: Vert body twist?
SFC's, Strust Tower Brace, and then a sterring brace... good to go.
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Car: 1991 Firebird convertible
Engine: LQ4 ls 6.0
Transmission: 4L60E
Axle/Gears: 342 Limited slip
Re: Vert body twist?
I have a lot of spohn to go on my car but I will be using bmr sfc they look better then the others
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From: Malvern, Arkansas
Car: 90 IROC 2-92 Zs blk vert & prpl
Engine: stealth ram brodix track 1 ful port
Transmission: 700r4 4l80e
Axle/Gears: iroc 375 lokr 92 Z 277 pos vert 327
Re: Vert body twist?
My vert still has the stock 305 and I cracked the windshield going around some corners by my house. I have done suspension mods with bilstein shocks, red bushings everywhere, panhard and all other bars. also added a 327 posi 9 bolt with pbrs but I can attest to the masssive flexing of these cars but they handle pretty well.
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From: Marietta, GA
Car: '91 Firebird Convertible
Engine: 305 TBI (LO3)
Transmission: 700r4, Vette Servo
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9 Bolt, PBR disks
Re: Vert body twist?
Energy suspension bushings? I wish I never put those in. Sure the steering and front end are tight but the damn squeaking!!!
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From: Hacienda Heights, CA
Car: 90 RS 'Vert, 88 IROC-Z, 88 Firebird
Engine: 305 ci tbi, 305 ci tpi, 350 ci tpi
Transmission: WC-T5, WC-T5, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.45, 3.27, 3.27
Re: Vert body twist?
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...QEwAg&dur=3671
this is what i have.i bolted them in and then had them welded.my cars stock except for the rear gear ratio.these and the front strut brace helped alot.
this is what i have.i bolted them in and then had them welded.my cars stock except for the rear gear ratio.these and the front strut brace helped alot.
Check the picture of the thirgen version from my web site.
The "S"shaped one is the passenger-side and tucks above the catalytic converter. This style of SFC allows you the option of drilling and installing them yourself or to just have them welded on. The bolt holes give an extra location to weld them to the underside of the body.
I hope this helps clear up any questions.
Lon Salgren
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From: Il
Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: Vert body twist?
Then coat it all with anti-sieze.
I drilled a set of them years ago for a grease zirt. It took awhile to get all thier sticky crap out but when it finally got all out they quit making noise.
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From: Henrietta NY
Car: 1984 Trans Am L69
Engine: Sniper EFI Powered 355
Transmission: WC T5 w/ Steel Support Plate
Axle/Gears: 3.42 10 Bolt Posi
Re: Vert body twist?
I have found teflon paste is amazing for removing poly bushing squeak.
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From: North Carolina
Car: Pontiac 89 GTA
Engine: 350 TPI 5.7L V8
Re: Vert body twist?
it is a good Idea to get a subframe connectors because the body flex a lot and don't sound nice. that bean said I have a 89 GTA and beet the hell out of it and don't have any issues aside for the previus statement.
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