Spare tire
#1
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Poulsbo, WA
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 1992 RS 'vert
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: MM5 5speed
Axle/Gears: 3:08
Spare tire
I just picked up a 92 RS vert without a spare tire, the build sheet I found in the trunk says N65 for the spare is that the black aluminum wheel with the inflatable tire? If so anyone have one? all I can find are the dounut kind and they dont fit. Thanks
#2
Supreme Member
iTrader: (58)
Re: Spare tire
N64 is the black painted aluminum spare that clears the large brakes. A 92 RS vert should have the same brakes as a 82 Camaro with a 4cyl. All the normal disc/drum cars use the same base model brakes, and any spare should work. Any of the mini spares should work, I'd be looking for a full time inflated spare rather then the collapsible spares. The spares that need to be inflated usually are cracked at the folds by this point, they're not really safe to drive on. AAA or an extra wheel with a fullsize tire is probably the best bet. Or even just get an extra tire and throw it in the trunk on long trips. Then if you have a flat you can call AAA for a tow and have the back-up tire mounted up so you can get home.
#3
Banned
iTrader: (12)
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Bertram (outside Austin), TX
Posts: 12,212
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes
on
10 Posts
Car: 87 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Dana M78 3.27 posi
Re: Spare tire
I have the wheel, but the condition of the tire is questionable (although never used, it is old so....?), for extended on-road use. Maybe you could get a new collapsible tire & put that on the wheel? I could see about having the tire dismounted, if you didn't want the tire.
#5
Banned
iTrader: (12)
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Bertram (outside Austin), TX
Posts: 12,212
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes
on
10 Posts
Car: 87 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Dana M78 3.27 posi
Re: Spare tire
No need to put a flat in the rear seat.
A 245/50R16 flat tire will fit in the rear hatch area, even fully inflated, with the hatch closed. I used to run a full size tire & wheel as a spare. That is why the rear hatch panel had that "notch" in the plastic. For a full sized flat tire to fit.
A 245/50R16 flat tire will fit in the rear hatch area, even fully inflated, with the hatch closed. I used to run a full size tire & wheel as a spare. That is why the rear hatch panel had that "notch" in the plastic. For a full sized flat tire to fit.
#6
Supreme Member
iTrader: (58)
Re: Spare tire
A full size extra wheel with tire isn't something you'd want to haul around all the time, it'd probably fit in the trunk but it'd consume the entire trunk. But it'd be handy to have in the garage for emergencies and road trips.
Personally I'd much rather call AAA and get a tow, or call a friend to come pick me up or bring me my extra wheel/tire, then fight with pulling the spare and using the emergency jack on the side of the road in the middle of the night. But then all my friends are car people, so I've got a support network (and AAA).
#7
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Poulsbo, WA
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 1992 RS 'vert
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: MM5 5speed
Axle/Gears: 3:08
Re: Spare tire
Thanks guys, I think the tire I need inflates with a can of Co2, just not sure which wheel is the N65 option, black or spoked.
Trending Topics
#10
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Poulsbo, WA
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 1992 RS 'vert
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: MM5 5speed
Axle/Gears: 3:08
Re: Spare tire
Stephen, what do want for them? just want the correct tire and wheel. I run new tires so with any luck I'll never need it. Just don't want a tire rolling around in the trunk (like now) Dan
#11
Banned
iTrader: (12)
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Bertram (outside Austin), TX
Posts: 12,212
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes
on
10 Posts
Car: 87 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Dana M78 3.27 posi
Re: Spare tire
Do you need/want the jack, anchor, hook, plastic spacer (that prevents rattling noise) or lug nut wrench? Any of those parts too?
#12
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Poulsbo, WA
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 1992 RS 'vert
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: MM5 5speed
Axle/Gears: 3:08
Re: Spare tire
Just wheel and tire everything else was laying in the trunk rolling around, the guy I got it from was not to bright.
#14
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Poulsbo, WA
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 1992 RS 'vert
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: MM5 5speed
Axle/Gears: 3:08
Re: Spare tire
How many cars and what years used that same spare tire and wheel?
#15
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spare tire
No need to put a flat in the rear seat.
A 245/50R16 flat tire will fit in the rear hatch area, even fully inflated, with the hatch closed. I used to run a full size tire & wheel as a spare. That is why the rear hatch panel had that "notch" in the plastic. For a full sized flat tire to fit.
A 245/50R16 flat tire will fit in the rear hatch area, even fully inflated, with the hatch closed. I used to run a full size tire & wheel as a spare. That is why the rear hatch panel had that "notch" in the plastic. For a full sized flat tire to fit.
I have tried to put the inflated mini spare from my 86 (spare for 16" wheels) into the well my 89 vert, it did not fit. I dont know if a later version will fit, but the earlier one will not.
Last edited by madmax; 02-10-2010 at 10:40 PM.
#16
Banned
iTrader: (12)
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Bertram (outside Austin), TX
Posts: 12,212
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes
on
10 Posts
Car: 87 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Dana M78 3.27 posi
Re: Spare tire
That does not apply with a convertible. The trunk lid sits much lower than the hatch glass, not to mention that the opening with the lid up is tiny, at best. So... it does not fit.
I have tried to put the inflated mini spare from my 86 (spare for 16" wheels) into the well my 89 vert, it did not fit. I dont know if a later version will fit, but the earlier one will not.
I have tried to put the inflated mini spare from my 86 (spare for 16" wheels) into the well my 89 vert, it did not fit. I dont know if a later version will fit, but the earlier one will not.
Last edited by Stephen; 02-10-2010 at 11:13 PM. Reason: typo
#17
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spare tire
Good question, I guess I can dig up my owners manual and see if they mention that little tidbit or not. I'm not even sure the 15" full size or 14" full size will fit back there, will have to try that one with my dads car since mine is nowhere near me at the moment.
#18
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spare tire
Well, the 89 Firebird Convertible Owners Manual Supplement says exactly nothing about the storage of a flat tire. However, I did find something of interest in the owners manual, will scan and post that in a sec. Its the solution to the problem, although what I said before applies.
Neither of the two 89 convertibles we have here have this so-called flat tire cover. Any other convertible owners have this cover with their spare? I'd imagine that is where it would be located. Nor do I have that additional strap pictured in the manual.
Neither of the two 89 convertibles we have here have this so-called flat tire cover. Any other convertible owners have this cover with their spare? I'd imagine that is where it would be located. Nor do I have that additional strap pictured in the manual.
Last edited by madmax; 02-10-2010 at 11:17 PM.
#20
Supreme Member
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: I won't tell either
Posts: 2,862
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like
on
1 Post
Car: 1986 Grand Prix TPI
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: 200 4R
Re: Spare tire
There is always the wrecking yard for spares. I have even seen the alumn ones in local yards.
I have the supplied Goodyear leaflet for space saver spares. shows the "Custom Mini-Space Spare Tire*
*the stowaway spare tire from Goodyear. The car they show in the pics is not a F-body and does not mention what to do with the full size tire.
The Convertible supplement only tells how to raise and lower the top.
I have never seen a notchback trunk so I don't know if its different from a conv or not, but it appears that GM did not specifically address convertible tire storage.
I have the supplied Goodyear leaflet for space saver spares. shows the "Custom Mini-Space Spare Tire*
*the stowaway spare tire from Goodyear. The car they show in the pics is not a F-body and does not mention what to do with the full size tire.
The Convertible supplement only tells how to raise and lower the top.
I have never seen a notchback trunk so I don't know if its different from a conv or not, but it appears that GM did not specifically address convertible tire storage.
Last edited by injdinjn; 02-11-2010 at 01:12 AM.
#21
Guest
Posts: n/a
#22
Supreme Member
iTrader: (58)
Re: Spare tire
GM's idea was that a tiny spare could be stored away under the panel on the passengers side, mostly to increase cargo room. When the spare goes on the car, the full size wheel and tire goes in the well under the hatch. There's actually an anchor for the spare tire J bolt so the flat can be retained with the hook and wingnut from the spare. That's also why there's a relief in the rear trim panel. It mostly works with the 15" wheels and stock tires of 82, it gets a bit iffy with 245/50R16's. The tire usually touches the glass before the pull down motor is finished pulling down. If the tire is aired up I doubt the hatch would close. On a convertible you've got less clearance.
I've never seen any special storage apparatus, if I had to deal with a flat in my convertible and had no other choice I'd throw the flat in the backseat.
I've never seen any special storage apparatus, if I had to deal with a flat in my convertible and had no other choice I'd throw the flat in the backseat.
#23
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Posts: 14,242
Received 170 Likes
on
125 Posts
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
Re: Spare tire
All I have to say is I have the black painted aluminum spare tire in my 1989 Formula 350 Vert... It is nearly impossible to put into its place, When I bought the car I thought it was curious that the previous owner did not put it away, I found out why as I had to push, pull, shimmey and shake and then hope like crazy that I did not tear the weatherstrip... It was a PITA... I would much prefer the inflatable spare, but I do not think it would work over the rear brakes...
John
John
#24
Banned
iTrader: (12)
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Bertram (outside Austin), TX
Posts: 12,212
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes
on
10 Posts
Car: 87 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Dana M78 3.27 posi
Re: Spare tire
Your black one isn't the inflatable type tire? Both of mine (black & spoked) have the inflatable type tires on them.
#26
Guest
Posts: n/a
Re: Spare tire
I was able to stuff a 24" OD 8" wide tire in there, but getting much more in that would be difficult at best. I suppose depending on the size, shape, and stiffness of the tire you may be able to hammer a larger tire into place. I remember now my 16" 245/50/16 was hitting the tonneau cover, so I was not able to lay it back where it would normally sit on a hatchback even with the air removed. Maybe if it was completely flat and a weak sidewall tire (mine are not) then with some force and effort you could jam it in there. Then at some point, you'd have to get it back out.
There is an area of the trunk lid that is recessed as well, although its across the entire lid. It helps with clearance when closing the trunk, but again... this tire I threw in there barely cleared there as well. There is a sticker on the trunk lid that I had forgotten about, shows storage of the spare but the car is obviously a hatchback.
Just something to keep in mind if you get a flat.
There is an area of the trunk lid that is recessed as well, although its across the entire lid. It helps with clearance when closing the trunk, but again... this tire I threw in there barely cleared there as well. There is a sticker on the trunk lid that I had forgotten about, shows storage of the spare but the car is obviously a hatchback.
Just something to keep in mind if you get a flat.
#29
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Poulsbo, WA
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 1992 RS 'vert
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: MM5 5speed
Axle/Gears: 3:08
Re: Spare tire
The spoked one would be my first choice if they weigh the same. Thanks Dan
#30
Supreme Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Killam, AB
Posts: 1,672
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
Car: 1989 IrocZ Convertible
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: T5 - 5 Speed Standard
Axle/Gears: 3.08
Re: Spare tire
Here's the trunk lid sticker on the ASC verts . . .
Here's the spare tire and mounted as per factory specs . . .
Not correct . . . the jack mounts behind the tire and the tire should be facing the other way around. (Iroctopless)
Pretty tight quarters!
Last edited by Iroctopless; 04-21-2010 at 05:31 AM. Reason: Needed to update the info.
#35
Supreme Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Killam, AB
Posts: 1,672
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
Car: 1989 IrocZ Convertible
Engine: 305 TPI
Transmission: T5 - 5 Speed Standard
Axle/Gears: 3.08
Re: Spare tire
Good question, but here's not the place to ask. This section is convertible specific. Try under "Body" or "History / Restoration" for the best results.
#36
Banned
iTrader: (12)
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Bertram (outside Austin), TX
Posts: 12,212
Likes: 0
Received 10 Likes
on
10 Posts
Car: 87 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Dana M78 3.27 posi
Re: Spare tire
Even hoping for the smallest box that would JUST fit, no room for any padding, I can't get the shipping cost under $45.
If you want to pay more for the shipping, than the item even costs, that's fine by me.
But the spoked one is a 14", off my 87, and the black one is a 15", off a 89 GTA (bigger brakes). So your later model brakes might not even fit in the 14" wheel.
PM me & I'll send you my Paypal info, or you can send a Money Order. No personal checks please. Cash is fine, if you trust sending cash through the mail.
#37
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Posts: 14,242
Received 170 Likes
on
125 Posts
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
Re: Spare tire
I believe that was the reason why they went to the larger spare on the cars with the 4 wheel disc brakes. The 14" aluminum spoked rim will not fit on the rear... I have read where people when they get a rear flat they change the front with the spare and then move the front to the rear.
#39
Junior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Poulsbo, WA
Posts: 25
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Car: 1992 RS 'vert
Engine: 305 TBI
Transmission: MM5 5speed
Axle/Gears: 3:08
Re: Spare tire
wow 45$ to ship thats twice what I expected it would be. I'm going to make some phone calls Monday and I'll get back to you. Thanks
#41
Senior Member
Re: Spare tire
Can you buy spares new from GM? Either for our cars (probably not) but at least from 4th gens, and would the 4th gens fit?
#42
Junior Member
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Lakeland, FL
Posts: 74
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
#43
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Posts: 14,242
Received 170 Likes
on
125 Posts
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
Re: Spare tire
The rear brakes from a 4th gen are almost identical to a late 3rd gen disc brake. Matter of fact they are so close you can use the calipers from a 4th gen on a 89-92 3rd gen disc brake car. I think the rotor may be different but it too may be the same...
I have a friend that bought some junkyard calipers from a 4th gen for $20 bought new rotors and bought some NOS plates for a 1989 and installed them on his 1986 TA with the 9 bolt axle. So I know its possible, and the spare should not matter, It is not like your driving on them for more than a few miles.
John
I have a friend that bought some junkyard calipers from a 4th gen for $20 bought new rotors and bought some NOS plates for a 1989 and installed them on his 1986 TA with the 9 bolt axle. So I know its possible, and the spare should not matter, It is not like your driving on them for more than a few miles.
John
#44
Junior Member
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: South Dakota
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Spare tire
I have and 89 vert with an inflatable silver spoke spare and i'm having a hard time getting it in the spare tire space... is it possible that it is slightly inflated from someone else using it before?... and if so how do you deflate it all the way?
#45
Moderator
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Doghouse ······································ Car: 1989 Formula 350 Vert Engine: 350 L98 Transmission: 700R4 Axle/Gears: B&W 3.27
Posts: 14,242
Received 170 Likes
on
125 Posts
Car: 87 Formula T-Top, 87 Formula HT
Engine: 5.1L TPI, 5.0L TPI
Transmission: 700R4, M5
Axle/Gears: Sag 3.73, B&W 3.45
Re: Spare tire
I had a heck of a time with my space saver in my convertible. I had to push, and pray, prod, wiggle, shimmey and shake... Once I had my mouth just right and God was gracious to me I managed to actually get it in there,... Of course I have the black Aluminum spare (no spokes), I thought the others were smaller...
#46
Senior Member
Re: Spare tire
No need to put a flat in the rear seat.
A 245/50R16 flat tire will fit in the rear hatch area, even fully inflated, with the hatch closed. I used to run a full size tire & wheel as a spare. That is why the rear hatch panel had that "notch" in the plastic. For a full sized flat tire to fit.
A 245/50R16 flat tire will fit in the rear hatch area, even fully inflated, with the hatch closed. I used to run a full size tire & wheel as a spare. That is why the rear hatch panel had that "notch" in the plastic. For a full sized flat tire to fit.
Anyone know the size of the space-saver spare? I still have mine at 31 years old and it got me home after I pumped it up, but it is way too old. My spare is on the black steel wheel, I have the J65 brakes. The gas canister still had a charge!
Now I want to replace that spare as well.
Thanks.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post