rdsiler

I want some ideas on how to deal/report a bad seller?
It hasn't happened yet but I get the feeling... I sent someone $150.00 bucks (paypal) for a dash pad and it has not arrived yet. I will give it a full week before I name the person on thirdgen. Help please.

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iTrader: (15)

depending on what method of whipping was used, it could take over a week to get parts, so i would give it at least that long before i made a report. Has there been any communication at all between you and the seller?

i think you have 45 days to open a dispute with paypal

rdsiler

Before he had the money he was very fast in replying to any question I had. After he was paid it's hard to get any answers from him.
He said he'd get me tracking numbers. I have asked several times for the number and I have asked several times who he used to ship. Never answers. According to his information it would be shipped from New Jersey. It should make it to Kentucky if it was shipped from the poney express in a week. I am willing to wait a week and maybe a little longer. If he would just provide some sort of proof it's on its way.

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iTrader: (15)

dont feel too bad, i LIVE in NJ, and bought parts from a guy also in NJ, and i still dont have them, been about a week. I could have walked there and back already.

I've shipped stuff to cali and texas recently, takes about 3-4 days tops UPS ground.

Gumby

How many post did they have and feedback

"Posts: ?

Classifieds Rating: (?)"

Rule to stay safe, never buy form anyone with a low post count, the rating is a crap shoot as someone has to be first.

Every time I have bought anything from a members here , its been a bunch of trouble though worked out half the time.

You did use paypal so your safe, if you even think for a sec he is goofing around, file a claim right now with paypal, they will put a hold on the money.
If it does show, he will get it back. And he can only blame himself for not being prompt after the sale.

mcgarnicle

iTrader: (14)

You can also do a search on his user name and see if anyone else had any trouble before hand. A dashpad is a difficult thing to ship I would give more than a week, you have 45 days with paypal so I would wait atleast 2 wks and if still no tracking number or contact then I would file a claim with paypal.

rdsiler

I don't mind to wait. I want the dashpad. Keep you guys posted.

Gumby

just long enough for him to withdraw the money from paypal and leave you hanging when they say, he doesn't have enough funds for a refund.

you file now, which doesn't really start for about 10 days, when they excliate it to a claim.

rdsiler

I went on and opened up a dispute on paypal. If I get my dash pad I will gladly close it. Better safe than sorry.

jakemussman

iTrader: (3)

After reading this thread filing a dispute deffinitely was a good idea. Something just dosen't feel right here.

rdsiler

So after filing a dispute I have not heard anything from the dead beat. How long should I wait before I escalate this dispute to a claim?

FryeDaddy

iTrader: (1)

Say is this person named travis dunn by any chance? he stole my money not so long ago and right now I put it into a dispute and have to wait til Feb 3. If it is travis dunn, then yes you been scammed I found out he has low post counts and multiple accounts on this forum. I found out by masteller that he was buying the dash and getting upset of not receiving his item, I hate waiting and people stealing my hard earned minium wage!

rdsiler

Advice taken.
And Yes it is travis dunn. I have email addresses and a phone number.
Should I post that info?

adam85z28

its been 5 weeks i paid him for a 5 inch tach and shipping and its never arrived ive sent emails called everything im in the middle of a paypal dispute as well

mcgarnicle

iTrader: (14)

Any of yall with disputes with him left any negative feedback for him on the itrader? to you know help protect the other members of this board?

adam85z28

anyone thats been ripped off on here might wanna take a look

xadidasx27x
dunn27

to give you an idea of how big of a scam he ran heres a list of his listings JUST THIS MONTH on interior and exterior parts forums (not including the engine forum)

other screen names of his its banned now but if you got ripped off by him its the same guy be warned

here some of his sales all the ones i could find if you paid for anything in them and have not got it you know why

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...d-go-asap.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...il-lights.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...d-effects.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...982-ttops.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...-trans-am.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...de-fender.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...85-90-gfx.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...maro-nose.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...er-fender.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...-trans-am.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...450-ttops.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...er-camaro.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...t-85-iroc.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...eice-wing.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...aro-doors.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...801-ttops.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...er-fender.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...amaro-gfx.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...l-mirrors.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...s-am-tail.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...s-must-go.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/exte...ut-camaro.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...cs-carpet.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...-interior.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...806-seats.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...arts-sale.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...-plastics.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...brand-new.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...-plastics.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...-plastics.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...ck-carpet.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...brand-new.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...ift-plate.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...s-must-go.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...r-console.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...arts-just.html
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...sold_____.html
(this one even lists a dash pad but is a pic of carpet and car)
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/inte...t-85-iroc.html


here is the numbers he listed in his sales
201 682 2696
862 371 2116

jak

I actually bought seats from this guy , i made him come up from Jersey ( i live in New York) . This is why i prefer to do face to face sales...It limits the things you can purchase yes but, you dont get scammed.The kid looked pretty young too.. Came up with his girlfriend in a blue Mustang i should have known right there lol..Good luck guys i hope you get your money back

58mark

iTrader: (3)

There should be a system in place that anybody that wants to use the classified system be an established member with at least 250 posts

Pillsbry10

iTrader: (1)

i made that suggestion to jt as well....but even some of the people with a lot of posts have scammed people

i feel like the only way to stop some of it is to have to fill out a long form of personal info that has to be approved by jt before you can sell...but i dont think that will happen either

im going to flag this thread for him to read

adam85z28

i agree with that actually BUT see ive done over 300 posts or more but my post count only shows 11 but in my build thread alone i have at least 20 and in a few sales ive had 15+ and it dont show up on my post count so i agree as long as the post count system counts your posts correctly

Pillsbry10

iTrader: (1)

wonder if they could seperate forum posts and classifieds post so you can have a list of both?

58mark

iTrader: (3)

Another option is to make sellers pay a gold level membership, keeps away the rif raf

adam85z28

one forum i was on you had to have 250 posts and than you could post sales that worked great because you cant BS 250 posts easy and without someone seeing it and by separating it you can see not only the itrader but the amount of time they have spent on the trading section so that you know long time sellers vs new ones

but like i said the post counter has missed over 300 of my posts so that will have to be fixed

Pillsbry10

iTrader: (1)

nothing that you post in classifieds counts towards your post count...

one of our bigger scam artists on here had something like 500 or 700 posts and he still cost a lot of people money cam91rs

adam85z28

ok i didnt know that but in my build log i have like 20+ and in the transmission i have 10 or more and a few in auto detailing that never showed up has anyone else had that ?
only reason i ask is because i like post requirement idea but post counter needs to properly count posts than as well

58mark

iTrader: (3)

I'm not sure which forums add to your post count.. I looked at your history, and it does seem like you should have more than 11

adam85z28

while i noticed my posts only added up the first day i joined than it quite

i have 20 just in this tread https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/memb...z28-t-top.html

FryeDaddy

iTrader: (1)

Alright are yall going to do anything about this? I am already doing dispute and If i dont get my money back, I am filing mail fraud charges.......... Sounds like he made a **** load of money from scamming people here.

adam85z28

i need to figure out how to press charges because he messed with paypal by adding 00000000 for tracking to throw off paypal so hes done mail fraud and violated paypal terms of usage

58mark

iTrader: (3)

with that kind of evidence, it should be easy to get your money back from paypal

adam85z28

with his use of the USPS tracking system to scam people its mail fraud
and also by the same reason paypal terms are violated + i have personal messages and i kept everything

Pillsbry10

iTrader: (1)

Paypal will give it back so long as 45 days hasn't passed that's about all you can do

And read this forum there's a reason why we post all this stuff

White'89

iTrader: (8)

Over on LS1 tech you have to have something like 50 posts? before you can post in the classifieds. I'm about to start a dispute with someone from there because its been 12 days and I still haven't gotten my LS1 manifolds and he lives in Illinois. I even paid him as a 'Gift' which I probably shouldn't have done...

Pillsbry10

iTrader: (1)

Your screwed... Never pay as a gift that screams scam

JT

iTrader: (1)

The current establishment, as suggested by previous members, is 15 days of registration before selling is allowed. Initially, it was suggested by the members of 15 days or 15 posts. When we had a 15 day or X post criteria, it lead to a lot of fluff posts to simply push their post count up to meet the criteria as that's easier than waiting 15 days.

Really, when you compare some of the "fluff" posts that was being made to some that regular members sometimes make, an argument can be made that their post was no lesser than those from some other (regular) members. Even though they had to benefit by meeting the X post criteria. Thus I felt the X post count criteria was too much of a loophole and it was axed long ago (2 years?).

LS1Tech is 50 posts or 6 months. They, too, see a lot of members that attempt to skirt the system by fluff posts and they regularly deal with it.

No one brought this particular case to my attention, and I just happened to stumble upon this a few days ago. I previously banned one of the accounts because I found it was a duplicate account. I see someone else mentioned that but did not report that to me. I asked the specific person for evidence, to which I never received a response. After some digging I found the connection myself. After seeing a trend of failed transactions, the other account was then banned.

By the way both of his accounts have no feedback on the iTrader as of this moment:
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/itrader.php?u=109786
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/itrader.php?u=70466

Members need to utilize the tools made available (iTrader, Classifieds Feedback board) to not only make the best decision for themselves, but to also help others in the community.

Pillsbry10

iTrader: (1)

so... what about a classifieds form to fill out with info that you have to look over. might be a bit harder to fool you with fake info?

that form could be made available to a person that thinks they were scammed or even public to show that a person info matches their paypal?

i still have zero on the i trader with multiple items sold and i ask for feedback on pretty much everyone. the last item sold was to an established member(with 2000 posts) who im sure knows how to do it lol...so that really isnt very reliable either, at least if the bad ones were posted on the itrader that would help but even those tend to go not reported

JT

iTrader: (1)

It is only as good as the information it's given by members. If members don't use it, it's really not an issue with the iTrader itself.

This is another good example of the iTrader not being utilized when someone has made a track record of failed transactions. Both iTrader feedback for these two accounts have no records at all.

As far as a form, unless we're collecting verifiable information, I'm not sure the possibility of that really doing much. Fake name, phone number and address is really not difficult for a Scammer if it's not verified. Do you think a Scammer is going to provide honest information?

Really, I'm not aware of any other similar sites that goes through collecting any amount of personal information or having to do anything more than this site. It's generally X amount of posts and/or X amount of days. That's it. Either members from other sites do more homework when dealing with other members, or those sites don't attract the deadbeats that this site does.

58mark

iTrader: (3)

what about the idea behind making people who want to sell sign up as a vendor, say $100 a year... OR..... have an established identity on the board, like one year or 500 posts.

If somebody is looking to scam, those restrictions would cause them to move to the forum down the street

Pillsbry10

iTrader: (1)

just tossing out ideas as they come to me

paypal info is generally verified so if it matched paypal then it could be compared... i however dont know how exactly to make that work, ill get back to ya lol

Pillsbry10

iTrader: (1)

yes but that also turns people like myself who is just trying to help people out by selling parts when it comes up, i sure wouldnt pay a fee to do so id just hang on to the parts or scrap them

a really high post limit would be annoying to some but you cant fluff 500 posts and not be noticed, however that could run some people off that have parts we all need and want.

i guess really all you can do is do your homework check this forum for feedback and maybe read what kind of posting the seller is doing on these boards. if they are genearlly helpful they probably arent scammers

58mark

iTrader: (3)

ok what about this..

people with less than 500 posts cant START threads in the classified forums, but can respond. this would allow them to respond to specific "need parts" posts

Might cut down on the people who think they can make a living off the backs of JT and the people who keep this site running.

another idea, piggybacking on the first... if you can get a seller rating of +10 by selling on the "need parts" forum, you get the 500 post count requirement waived

Pillsbry10

iTrader: (1)

sounds complicated, but not a horrible idea

58mark

iTrader: (3)

it would encourage sellers to look at the "need parts" forum, and at the same time put the pressure on them to establish good feedback by keeping customers happy

win win for everybody, except for the scammers and deadbeats

JT

iTrader: (1)

I'm not sure I understand because there is still a large loophole. If they cannot create a new thread (as you suggested), they can simply post in other members' Parts Wanted requests and do a transaction via there. That's how some of our past deadbeats worked. It wasn't solely creating new threads for Parts For Sale, but a combination of that and replying to members who requested a specific part.

Member A asks for a good dashpad. Scammer, who cannot create a new thread, simply replies to Member A's request stating they have a good dashpad that they don't (or won't follow through with). Transaction still takes place.

I'm sure some can also vouch for receiving PMs from certain, past, scammers who took to doing transactions via PM rather than the open forum.

Scammers in general are not dumb and some make a living at this. They easily find ways around the system while the legitimate people are the ones who really suffer.

There is always going to be a risk. Even on eBay, it's not unheard of a good seller having their account hijacked and used for a scam or two. It's part of doing business on the Internet. In the end, it's up to the people involved with the transaction to make decisions they feel are best, based on information/tools that are made available to them.

58mark

iTrader: (3)

it's true It would not stop a scammer right away, but if the goal is to get 10 positive feedbacks the pressure is on them to deliver a good product in a timely manner

Pillsbry10

iTrader: (1)

problem is people just dont use the system and thats almost unfair for the non scammers

58mark

iTrader: (3)

it would draw attention to the feedback system, which is good

JT

iTrader: (1)

If the goal is to get 10+ feedback to start new threads, the scammer isn't going to waste their time with that. The Scammer can simply live in the Parts Wanted section, replying all they want to, until they get caught. The result is the same?

They don't need to strive to get 10+ feedback to be able to post For Sale threads if they can simply just live in the Parts Wanted section and do the same thing with no effort.

That is the point I'm trying to make as to why I don't think that option will really produce the desired results.

Guest

Someone call the new jersey Police report this guy stealing over 5000 in money from a internet scam site and give the cops his number. Someone needs to wreck this kids ****. He seems like a little punk i almost bought a couple things off him.

92 Formula

iTrader: (2)

The most unfortunate thing is that JT is right. People need to do research on the seller. Sellers and buyers need to leave feedback on their transactions. I personally would not buy from anyone that had zero feedback, much less than someone who has quite a few bad feedback. There are too many GOOD sellers here on TGO to feel compelled to take a chance, IMO.

I don't moderate any classified boards accept Cars For Sale, but I do think we have a good sticky up there that I hope people read and use for the sake of themselves and others.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/fire...please-do.html

Unfortunately even when staff take the time to give warnings in advice via a sticky, they go unread and unheeded.

Good luck to those that have lost money.