EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
#1
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 169
Received 4 Likes
on
4 Posts
Car: 1982 Firebird
Engine: 5.0 LG4
Transmission: 200C
Axle/Gears: 2.73 open diff
EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
Ive got headers for my bird so the heat riser valve is of no use. Can somebody help me understand which valves and such I can get rid of? Thanks!!
#2
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 169
Received 4 Likes
on
4 Posts
Car: 1982 Firebird
Engine: 5.0 LG4
Transmission: 200C
Axle/Gears: 2.73 open diff
Re: EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
Can I completely get rid of that vacuum sensor thing ( I snapped the fitting anyway) where the finger is kinda pointing. Also the heat riser valve never was functional when I owned it somebody deleted it because they replaced the sensor with one that has only one vacuum line attachment (which I broke)
#4
Junior Member
Re: EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
Pretty sure you need the large valve you have circled for the fuel vapor canister purge system.
The one you have circled on the water neck is a "ported vacuum switch". If you broke that one they are only a few dollars on rock auto. As for deleting it I'm not familiar enough with the system to help there
The one you have circled on the water neck is a "ported vacuum switch". If you broke that one they are only a few dollars on rock auto. As for deleting it I'm not familiar enough with the system to help there
#5
Junior Member
Re: EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
If you do end up deleting the ported vac switch all you need is a pipe plug, they sell little bags of them on Amazon with multiple sizes, many different materials and finishes are available.
The following users liked this post:
82Firebird5.0 (03-07-2020)
#6
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Meriden, CT 06450
Posts: 4,035
Received 518 Likes
on
432 Posts
Car: 84 TA orig. 305 LG4 "H" E4ME
Engine: 334 SBC - stroked 305 M4ME Q-Jet
Transmission: upgraded 700R4 3200 stall
Axle/Gears: 10bolt 4.10 Posi w Lakewood TA Bars
Re: EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
Is your ECM still controlling the carb and distributor? It does not seem so from the pictures.
The following users liked this post:
82Firebird5.0 (03-07-2020)
Trending Topics
#8
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 169
Received 4 Likes
on
4 Posts
Car: 1982 Firebird
Engine: 5.0 LG4
Transmission: 200C
Axle/Gears: 2.73 open diff
Re: EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
Pretty sure you need the large valve you have circled for the fuel vapor canister purge system.
The one you have circled on the water neck is a "ported vacuum switch". If you broke that one they are only a few dollars on rock auto. As for deleting it I'm not familiar enough with the system to help there
The one you have circled on the water neck is a "ported vacuum switch". If you broke that one they are only a few dollars on rock auto. As for deleting it I'm not familiar enough with the system to help there
#10
Supreme Member
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Meriden, CT 06450
Posts: 4,035
Received 518 Likes
on
432 Posts
Car: 84 TA orig. 305 LG4 "H" E4ME
Engine: 334 SBC - stroked 305 M4ME Q-Jet
Transmission: upgraded 700R4 3200 stall
Axle/Gears: 10bolt 4.10 Posi w Lakewood TA Bars
Re: EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
What does the underhood vacuum diagram sticker show, if it's still there?
The following users liked this post:
82Firebird5.0 (03-26-2020)
#11
Supreme Member
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Colorado USA
Posts: 2,500
Received 661 Likes
on
498 Posts
Car: '83 Firebird (T/A Clone)
Engine: 350 carbed with L-69 components
Transmission: 700R-4 w/2000 RPM stall converter
Axle/Gears: 10-bolt/3.73 ..
Re: EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
The TVS in the thermostat housing you have circled can be removed and the fitting plugged.
You should keep the cannister control valve (the big thing circled)...
You should keep the cannister control valve (the big thing circled)...
The following users liked this post:
82Firebird5.0 (03-26-2020)
#13
Supreme Member
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Lexington, SC
Posts: 5,296
Likes: 0
Received 58 Likes
on
52 Posts
Car: 1987 SC/1985 TA
Engine: 350/vortec/fitech
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9-bolt
Re: EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
The Thermal Vacuum Switch in the water neck provided vacuum to the Early Fuel Evaporation (EFE) valve in the passenger side exhaust manifold. When cold it would close this valve to re-route exhaust through the cross over passages in the intake manifold. This warmed the manifold, warming the fuel/air mixture, hence Early Fuel Evaporation.
If the valve is gone you can, as said above, remove the valve and plug the opening. Plug the port on the carb that the vacuum source was removed from and remove any of the vacuum lines left, including the steel piece that ran along the perimeter of the valve cover.
If the valve is gone you can, as said above, remove the valve and plug the opening. Plug the port on the carb that the vacuum source was removed from and remove any of the vacuum lines left, including the steel piece that ran along the perimeter of the valve cover.
The following users liked this post:
82Firebird5.0 (03-26-2020)
#14
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 169
Received 4 Likes
on
4 Posts
Car: 1982 Firebird
Engine: 5.0 LG4
Transmission: 200C
Axle/Gears: 2.73 open diff
Re: EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
The Thermal Vacuum Switch in the water neck provided vacuum to the Early Fuel Evaporation (EFE) valve in the passenger side exhaust manifold. When cold it would close this valve to re-route exhaust through the cross over passages in the intake manifold. This warmed the manifold, warming the fuel/air mixture, hence Early Fuel Evaporation.
If the valve is gone you can, as said above, remove the valve and plug the opening. Plug the port on the carb that the vacuum source was removed from and remove any of the vacuum lines left, including the steel piece that ran along the perimeter of the valve cover.
If the valve is gone you can, as said above, remove the valve and plug the opening. Plug the port on the carb that the vacuum source was removed from and remove any of the vacuum lines left, including the steel piece that ran along the perimeter of the valve cover.
I’ve concluded the exhaust flap was deleted by the previous owner and that’s why the remaining switch only has one port. This remaining port— what does it do? I also am not sure what replacement part to buy there are many different temperature switches... can anybody tell me what the remaining port does?
#16
Supreme Member
iTrader: (7)
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Lexington, SC
Posts: 5,296
Likes: 0
Received 58 Likes
on
52 Posts
Car: 1987 SC/1985 TA
Engine: 350/vortec/fitech
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 3.27 9-bolt
Re: EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
what do you mean by 'remaining port'
if there is only one open nipple on the vacuum switch, then one broke off.
all the switch does is close a valve between the two ports at some specified temperature. this allows vacuum to pass between the two ports. in this case everything past the switch would be under vacuum from the source (manifold engine vacuum with engine running) until the water temp warms the switch and it closes.
if you remove it you can plug the opening in the water neck with a suitable plug and cap off the vacuum port on the carb that originally provided vacuum-provided it is not already capped.
if there is only one open nipple on the vacuum switch, then one broke off.
all the switch does is close a valve between the two ports at some specified temperature. this allows vacuum to pass between the two ports. in this case everything past the switch would be under vacuum from the source (manifold engine vacuum with engine running) until the water temp warms the switch and it closes.
if you remove it you can plug the opening in the water neck with a suitable plug and cap off the vacuum port on the carb that originally provided vacuum-provided it is not already capped.
#17
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2019
Posts: 169
Received 4 Likes
on
4 Posts
Car: 1982 Firebird
Engine: 5.0 LG4
Transmission: 200C
Axle/Gears: 2.73 open diff
Re: EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
what do you mean by 'remaining port'
if there is only one open nipple on the vacuum switch, then one broke off.
all the switch does is close a valve between the two ports at some specified temperature. this allows vacuum to pass between the two ports. in this case everything past the switch would be under vacuum from the source (manifold engine vacuum with engine running) until the water temp warms the switch and it closes.
if you remove it you can plug the opening in the water neck with a suitable plug and cap off the vacuum port on the carb that originally provided vacuum-provided it is not already capped.
if there is only one open nipple on the vacuum switch, then one broke off.
all the switch does is close a valve between the two ports at some specified temperature. this allows vacuum to pass between the two ports. in this case everything past the switch would be under vacuum from the source (manifold engine vacuum with engine running) until the water temp warms the switch and it closes.
if you remove it you can plug the opening in the water neck with a suitable plug and cap off the vacuum port on the carb that originally provided vacuum-provided it is not already capped.
The following users liked this post:
T.L. (03-27-2020)
#20
Supreme Member
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Colorado USA
Posts: 2,500
Received 661 Likes
on
498 Posts
Car: '83 Firebird (T/A Clone)
Engine: 350 carbed with L-69 components
Transmission: 700R-4 w/2000 RPM stall converter
Axle/Gears: 10-bolt/3.73 ..
Re: EFE TVS delete? I’m confused
Yeah, you can remove it...
Last edited by T.L.; 03-27-2020 at 01:01 PM.
The following users liked this post:
82Firebird5.0 (03-27-2020)
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Cadmaro
Carburetors
0
03-09-2019 10:06 AM
Irocohio
Tech / General Engine
3
07-28-2015 04:56 PM