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Howdy all put a new manifold plugged most of the carb hoses w caps some flew off while starting due to backfiring 350 All carb no ecu , ran like a champ after the smog pump removal once I put the car on tdc and marked dizzy replaced w new 2101 edel manifold performer car won't start tried 180 move trick also made sure #1 faced piston and I'm not sure what's going on please help thirdgen fam thanks look at pics maybe I missed something thanks also car ran great before
You've got some serious issues there... even if you get it to start, won't run very well or last long. Most immediate pressing need is to get a new set of plug wires, with the right ends at the distributor.
Next thing is going to be that fuel line arrangement. That's a fire already in progress, just waiting for the worst possible moment. It'll cost you the car most likely.
Flipping them around may start the car, but you are asking for trouble. Get the right plug wires.
If it doesnt catch fire from that fuel line and kill you AND the car, it is definitely going to kill you with the blowby entering the cabin of the car because you have two breathers; one stuffed in each valve cover. Go to your local parts house and ask for a PCV valve for that car and plug it into one of the valve covers. Then run a vacuum line from there to one of the full vacuum ports on the carb. Breather in one valve cover, and a pcv valve in the other. This will be a buzz kill, as you wont be getting high in the car anymore, but it could save you a brain tumor later. The car will also run better with your new found positive crankcase ventilation verses atmospheric release under the hood and into the cabin.
Next on the list is a carb replacement. No ecu to control the idle mixture solenoid means you really need to get a good eddy or Holley on there and tune it right for better performance. Seriously though, you can get steel tubing from any parts house and some fittings and a double flare tool to be able to run hard fuel line all the way to the carb and only use a small section of rubber hose if needed right at the carb.
Flipping them around may start the car, but you are asking for trouble. Get the right plug wires.
If it doesnt catch fire from that fuel line and kill you AND the car, it is definitely going to kill you with the blowby entering the cabin of the car because you have two breathers; one stuffed in each valve cover. Go to your local parts house and ask for a PCV valve for that car and plug it into one of the valve covers. Then run a vacuum line from there to one of the full vacuum ports on the carb. Breather in one valve cover, and a pcv valve in the other. This will be a buzz kill, as you wont be getting high in the car anymore, but it could save you a brain tumor later. The car will also run better with your new found positive crankcase ventilation verses atmospheric release under the hood and into the cabin.
Next on the list is a carb replacement. No ecu to control the idle mixture solenoid means you really need to get a good eddy or Holley on there and tune it right for better performance. Seriously though, you can get steel tubing from any parts house and some fittings and a double flare tool to be able to run hard fuel line all the way to the carb and only use a small section of rubber hose if needed right at the carb.
thanks for all the info. which wires would be the correct ones i asked for camaro sparkplug wires and that's what they gave me , as you referred to a proper fuel line that would be the single line from fuel pump to carb which is metal correct , a rubber hose has been there since i purchased the car. thanks again all info is greatly appreciated
A good aftermarket set of wires for that setup would be Accel part# 4049 super-stock wires. Available at Advance or any parts store. For the fuel line; just disconnect whats there from the pump itself. Slide the fitting off of it and take it with you to the parts store. Tell them you need some 3/8 or 5/16 stainless steel tubing. Whatever size line your working with there. One 4ft in length will do the job. Show them the fitting you have in your hand so they can get you the right thread pitch. Then all you need is the flaring tool to flare the ends of the tubing. Cheap tool that will become part of your tool arsenal for a long time and come in handy. Then just watch a few youtube videos like this one to learn how to use the tool.
How does that even come close to passing smog in Ca.???
Originally Posted by DonW
good question
Kinda funny the things that get noticed first . When I first saw the pictures my initial thought was like Sofa's , that sketchy fuel line has gotta get properly repaired . And then when I saw all the plugged vacuum ports I wondered "And just where does this car live that it doesn't need all of it's smog stuff in place to pass a visual inspection ?" .... And then I see California ... And I walk away quietly , before I say something not quite "politically correct" .....
I saw it right away. It looks just like the hack job HEI conversion done on mine when I bought it. Living in TN I stuck with the HEI conversion and finished it up right though. In my county they only roll a large mirror on wheels under the car to verify you actually have a cat on there. Then they just stick a sniffer in the tail pipe. My car is a violation of the clean air act; but still passes emissions LOL It has antique tags on it, but i spent the $9 for the test as a tuning aid. Took a couple of tries, but with Sofas Holley tuning sticky and a little rubbing alcohol in the gas tank it passed with flying colors
PS , I'd love to know how how THIS works , we have no ECU controlling that obviously supposed to be electronically controlled carb ?
Can't save em all I guess , parts cars gotta come from somewhere ......
I can tell you that mine looked JUST like that, only worse. The original dizzy was still in the car with the qjet on an eddy intake with ALL of the choke and secondary linkage removed. Smog removed, AC removed, Charcoal can missing etc...I coasted it home in that condition. It ran like a 3 legged dog. It idled okay, but give it any gas and it just bogged out. The carb has to go and be replaced with something aftermarket. In this guys case he is going to have to complete the HEI converson right, or stop in his tracks and put it back stock, which, living in CA I dont see any other options?
Seen all the flaws at first also; then noticed "Ca."
I chalked it up as "If it starts, moves forward,backward, and stops, she's good to go."
I lived in Ca. for 23 years and sweat bullets every two years when I went to get smog checked. And that was on a perfectly running, tuned, and well maintained vehicle.
Then again I never went to the guy in down the alley, past the old radiator shop, next to the old Federated building, beside Five guys, for my check. Just say'n. I'm being funny here. Seen some shady stuff........
I recomend a nice Holley carb you can find used ones cheap. Or an early model Rochester from a pre computer car IE a 70's or 60's Rochester. Also they are right about the PCV it will run better. Rubber fuel line to the carb is OK on a carbed car fuel pressure is low enough as long as the clamps are tight and the line is in good shape and not touchin
He needs to fix his car properly. Which means, the original carb (or indistinguishable facsimile thereof), and plug wires with the right ends to fit on the dist terminals.
Rubber fuel line is A DEATH TRAP. There are few ways I can think of to plant a more dangerous land mine in a car. I lost count about 20 yrs ago of how many cars I had seen burn to the ground for that laziness, or in Frod's case, I can only guess a deliberately planted bit of "planned obsolescence".
There's NO WAY that setup will pass CA inspection with what was in those photos. For example the fitting that goes to the MAP sensor is plugged with a screw, and most of the other vac fittings are similar. Putting snakeskin on all the hoses and lines won't "compensate" for that.
Well, theres always comparing the cost of cardboard boxes to the cost of putting it back stock. Moving IS an option, so theres always that. Just sayiN
With what he's done to it , at this point it likely would be cheaper to move to a "no emissions check" State rather than trying to spend the $$$$ making that "factory enough" again to pass California's automotive interrogation ..... "Vats Zis ? A non approved air cleaner ? , , FAIL !!!!" (in my best gestapo accent) ..... And this guy thinks he's gonna get THAT to pass the California inquisition (NOBODY EXPECTS THE CALIFORNIA INQUISITION !!!!) ???
Like I said , can't save em all , and parts cars gotta come from somewhere ....
Are you guys aware that probably half of California has no biannual inspections? Just the big city's and anyone down wind from one. They still make you smog it once when you buy a car unless it's new. My ccc system is in a box if I ever need it.
Just for kicks I looked up Alhambra California and found it to be a city right in the middle of Los Angles county . Do they do inspections in LA county ?
Are you guys aware that probably half of California has no biannual inspections? Just the big city's and anyone down wind from one. They still make you smog it once when you buy a car unless it's new. My ccc system is in a box if I ever need it.
South of you Ramit, LA County/Kern County line.....Mojave Desert....I had to be smogged. 100 miles north of LA
For sure they do and it's really is needed there. I remember flying into orange county to go to Disneyland back in the early 70 and we could see a thick layer of smog covering everything from 1500 ft or so. Today it's really clear.
I really wish they would give exemptions for older cars. I see a 3rd gen on the road maybe once a month around here.
For sure they do and it's really is needed there. I remember flying into orange county to go to Disneyland back in the early 70 and we could see a thick layer of smog covering everything from 1500 ft or so. Today it's really clear.
I really wish they would give exemptions for older cars. I see a 3rd gen on the road maybe once a month around here.
Its called the inversion layer! Smog, oh boy, don't miss that!
For sure they do and it's really is needed there. I remember flying into orange county to go to Disneyland back in the early 70 and we could see a thick layer of smog covering everything from 1500 ft or so. Today it's really clear.
Why only California with the smog issues? Ive never understood that. I highly doubt cars were the real trouble. Even as much industry as there is in LA, I can't see it being a real problem either. I'm thinking of other comparable large cities with no smog issues, so wonder why Just LA and other parts of Cali?
You talk about flying through there in the 70's and seeing the actual cloud of smog, but in reality cars had only been around for 50 years, yet cars and industry get the blame. Makes me wonder if there wasnt really some sort of Govt bomb testing in the desert that was more responsible. Its definately a strange phenomena though...
It's not... but they have a specific set of conditions that REALLY makes it AWFUL under certain circumstances.
Low-lying coastal valleys with COLD water out there (the water along Malibu Beach is probably 25 - 30° colder than at Miami Beach), cold ocean breezes bringing in cool air, mountains a short ways inland trapping the air at the coast which sinks anyway because it's cold and stays right where it is.
But it's not JUST there... look up the situation in China, it's even worse over there some times & places. The attached photos is the same building in Shanghai, taken 5 days apart.
TO THIS DAY you can see the cloud of smog over LA at times. A few years ago I had to drive from Carlsbad to Pasadena... I drove up the 15 to the 10 then across... I thought I was going to suffocate going past Norco (anybody that's been through there knows why) but then as I got close to the 10 the air was so thick I could hardly even read the signs. Then later there were fires, and from Mt Palomar looking down into LA, it looked like a brown blanket was over it.
So yeah... it's bad out there. They have REAL GOOD REASON for the rules they've made. Like them or not, there's a genuine situation at hand there.
04-06-2016, 07:42 PM
They're wrong. Can't use em the way they are. "New" is pretty much beside the point now.
Can't save em all I guess , parts cars gotta come from somewhere ...... 
) ..... And this guy thinks he's gonna get THAT to pass the California inquisition (NOBODY EXPECTS THE CALIFORNIA INQUISITION !!!!) ??? 
