Sail Panels Of Death = SOLUTION
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Sail Panels Of Death = SOLUTION
Well, I ordered these exact same baffles last week and just installed them yesterday.
They are made for my 6x9's
All I have to say is WOW.
I have Sony Xplod 4x6's and 6x9's, not the factory speakers.
Before I installed these, the bass in my 6x9's was there, it was just that it was so muddy, that I couldnt distinguish a bass drum hit from a bass guitar lick, and it just plain "BLARED" at you, no matter how I messed with the EQ, it sounded like someone playing all notes on a guitar all at once.
I went in, and took out the old, torn up, foam enclosures that came in the car to begin with.
I then took out the metal plates the speakers mount to, and absolutely covered the heck out of them with 3M Rubberized Undercoating, to prevent vibrations with metal/metal contact since I took out the foam between the two.
I then placed the NEW foam enclosures inside the metal ring, with the extra lip around the hole covering ALL the surrounding metal, (seperating the speakers from the metal plate), poked holes on the bottom lip of the enclosures for my wires, then placed the speakers inside them, screwed them in, and viola!, I have a 6x9 speaker that is 'TRULY SEALED" from the sail panels of death.
The only hard part about the installation was taking the inside of the car friggen completely apart to get the metal plates out
As I said, the speakers are fully enclosed, even with the wires because the foam pressed against the wires, and the actual hole for the wires to come in at are below the oval hole, meaning no place for sound to leave.
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Now, how do they effect the sound?
Ive read that they only keep your speakers weather-proof, offering NO sound change, well, from personally sitting in the back seat of my car listening to them, with my deck powering only my 6x9's, they make a BIG difference.
The speakers now have a cleaner and more crisp sound to them, even the higher notes that they play sound absolutely wonderful.
No more afwul blare, it no longer makes you cringe when certain noted are played.
The bass is alot more "Elegant" , meaning that I can actually tell the difference between the kick of a bass drum, and the lick of a guitar, SO nice
The speakers are not as loud at the same volume as they were without the enclosures, but that's ok, because that's what an adjustable fader is for and, because the point of installing these things was to boost "Sound QUALITY" not volume.
The low end bass is reserved for my two subs going in this week, so it wasn't the 6x9's top priority to do so.
Despite what people say, from personally listening to these myself, I reccomend these to anyone, and besides, what do you have to lose besides a couple dollars
They are made for my 6x9's
All I have to say is WOW.
I have Sony Xplod 4x6's and 6x9's, not the factory speakers.
Before I installed these, the bass in my 6x9's was there, it was just that it was so muddy, that I couldnt distinguish a bass drum hit from a bass guitar lick, and it just plain "BLARED" at you, no matter how I messed with the EQ, it sounded like someone playing all notes on a guitar all at once.
I went in, and took out the old, torn up, foam enclosures that came in the car to begin with.
I then took out the metal plates the speakers mount to, and absolutely covered the heck out of them with 3M Rubberized Undercoating, to prevent vibrations with metal/metal contact since I took out the foam between the two.
I then placed the NEW foam enclosures inside the metal ring, with the extra lip around the hole covering ALL the surrounding metal, (seperating the speakers from the metal plate), poked holes on the bottom lip of the enclosures for my wires, then placed the speakers inside them, screwed them in, and viola!, I have a 6x9 speaker that is 'TRULY SEALED" from the sail panels of death.
The only hard part about the installation was taking the inside of the car friggen completely apart to get the metal plates out
As I said, the speakers are fully enclosed, even with the wires because the foam pressed against the wires, and the actual hole for the wires to come in at are below the oval hole, meaning no place for sound to leave.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Now, how do they effect the sound?
Ive read that they only keep your speakers weather-proof, offering NO sound change, well, from personally sitting in the back seat of my car listening to them, with my deck powering only my 6x9's, they make a BIG difference.
The speakers now have a cleaner and more crisp sound to them, even the higher notes that they play sound absolutely wonderful.
No more afwul blare, it no longer makes you cringe when certain noted are played.
The bass is alot more "Elegant" , meaning that I can actually tell the difference between the kick of a bass drum, and the lick of a guitar, SO nice
The speakers are not as loud at the same volume as they were without the enclosures, but that's ok, because that's what an adjustable fader is for and, because the point of installing these things was to boost "Sound QUALITY" not volume.
The low end bass is reserved for my two subs going in this week, so it wasn't the 6x9's top priority to do so.
Despite what people say, from personally listening to these myself, I reccomend these to anyone, and besides, what do you have to lose besides a couple dollars
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well glad they worked for you. they really arent making a totally ealed enclosure, as the foam can flex and stretch, but if it works for you, and YOU are happy withh it then that is a good thing.
as to a part number.... just go tot your local car audio shop and ask if they have teh foam baffles that it behind the 6 X 9's. my local shop has both foam an a hard plastic version.
as to a part number.... just go tot your local car audio shop and ask if they have teh foam baffles that it behind the 6 X 9's. my local shop has both foam an a hard plastic version.
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Yeah, that's what I did, went to my local audio shop about it, and they had them there within a week.
Also, you HAVE to get the flexible ones. because the top of them bend ever so slightly when pressed against the metal of the car, so a hard version wouldnt fit without breaking.
Also, im just curious, what makes an enclosure truly sealed?
You said that their not really sealed because the foam can flex, and hehehe, when I first got them, I put my whole face in one of them, and couldnt breath with it on me
Dont ask me why I did that because I dont know lol.
I always thought it was sealed as long as no sound waves/music/whatever couldnt escape out of it?
I dont know much about car audio, so anything I ask about is just cause I dont know the answer to it.
Also, you HAVE to get the flexible ones. because the top of them bend ever so slightly when pressed against the metal of the car, so a hard version wouldnt fit without breaking.
Also, im just curious, what makes an enclosure truly sealed?
You said that their not really sealed because the foam can flex, and hehehe, when I first got them, I put my whole face in one of them, and couldnt breath with it on me
Dont ask me why I did that because I dont know lol.
I always thought it was sealed as long as no sound waves/music/whatever couldnt escape out of it?
I dont know much about car audio, so anything I ask about is just cause I dont know the answer to it.
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ok pretend just for a second you live in la-la land and your sub enclosure is made out of a baloon. the enclosure is supposed to be 1 cubic foot. this effects the compression of the sub (when it sucks down into the basket) if your 1 cu baloon enclosure is not rigid it will expand, and thus not allow the sub suspension (for lack of a better more tech savvie term) work. when the bass hits and the sub goes out, it will simply deflate teh baloon enslosure as well causing it to actually be smaller than 1 cubic foot.
Now back to reality... damn that hurt. your foam baffle will do the same thing, granted not on such a large scale as a balloon sub enclosure, but it will expand and contract somewhat, and in essence hurting the bass response of the speakers.
when I make a sealed enclosure for a sub, one of the things I do is after I get the sub installed I push down on the cone CAREFULLY to see if the box is truley sealed. if it is not, the cone will go down a lot easier, and you can hear air suck inthe box after you let go. your foam baffels will simply expand.
I am NOT trying to say your are wrong for using them. if they sound like you want then by all means rock on.me personally I pulled the factory foam style enclosures out, soaked with fiberglassing resin, to totally seal it (no I diddnt stick my face in it and try to breath... ) made an adapter plate from 1/2 inch plywood and mounted my alpine type R 6.5 components and tweeters in it. sounds a LOT better than any 6 X 9 I have ever heard, especially with 75W of CLEAN power RMS running to them.
does this help you?
Now back to reality... damn that hurt. your foam baffle will do the same thing, granted not on such a large scale as a balloon sub enclosure, but it will expand and contract somewhat, and in essence hurting the bass response of the speakers.
when I make a sealed enclosure for a sub, one of the things I do is after I get the sub installed I push down on the cone CAREFULLY to see if the box is truley sealed. if it is not, the cone will go down a lot easier, and you can hear air suck inthe box after you let go. your foam baffels will simply expand.
I am NOT trying to say your are wrong for using them. if they sound like you want then by all means rock on.me personally I pulled the factory foam style enclosures out, soaked with fiberglassing resin, to totally seal it (no I diddnt stick my face in it and try to breath... ) made an adapter plate from 1/2 inch plywood and mounted my alpine type R 6.5 components and tweeters in it. sounds a LOT better than any 6 X 9 I have ever heard, especially with 75W of CLEAN power RMS running to them.
does this help you?
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ok pretend just for a second you live in la-la land and your sub enclosure is made out of a baloon. the enclosure is supposed to be 1 cubic foot. this effects the compression of the sub (when it sucks down into the basket) if your 1 cu baloon enclosure is not rigid it will expand, and thus not allow the sub suspension (for lack of a better more tech savvie term) work. when the bass hits and the sub goes out, it will simply deflate teh baloon enslosure as well causing it to actually be smaller than 1 cubic foot.
Now back to reality... damn that hurt. your foam baffle will do the same thing, granted not on such a large scale as a balloon sub enclosure, but it will expand and contract somewhat, and in essence hurting the bass response of the speakers.
when I make a sealed enclosure for a sub, one of the things I do is after I get the sub installed I push down on the cone CAREFULLY to see if the box is truley sealed. if it is not, the cone will go down a lot easier, and you can hear air suck inthe box after you let go. your foam baffels will simply expand.
I am NOT trying to say your are wrong for using them. if they sound like you want then by all means rock on.me personally I pulled the factory foam style enclosures out, soaked with fiberglassing resin, to totally seal it (no I diddnt stick my face in it and try to breath... ) made an adapter plate from 1/2 inch plywood and mounted my alpine type R 6.5 components and tweeters in it. sounds a LOT better than any 6 X 9 I have ever heard, especially with 75W of CLEAN power RMS running to them.
does this help you?
Now back to reality... damn that hurt. your foam baffle will do the same thing, granted not on such a large scale as a balloon sub enclosure, but it will expand and contract somewhat, and in essence hurting the bass response of the speakers.
when I make a sealed enclosure for a sub, one of the things I do is after I get the sub installed I push down on the cone CAREFULLY to see if the box is truley sealed. if it is not, the cone will go down a lot easier, and you can hear air suck inthe box after you let go. your foam baffels will simply expand.
I am NOT trying to say your are wrong for using them. if they sound like you want then by all means rock on.me personally I pulled the factory foam style enclosures out, soaked with fiberglassing resin, to totally seal it (no I diddnt stick my face in it and try to breath... ) made an adapter plate from 1/2 inch plywood and mounted my alpine type R 6.5 components and tweeters in it. sounds a LOT better than any 6 X 9 I have ever heard, especially with 75W of CLEAN power RMS running to them.
does this help you?
Lol, yes, yes this does help, thx
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Here's a shorter answer.
A "sealed" enclosure is one that blocks the soundwave projected from the rear of the speaker. That foam, like the baloon in the example above, does virtually nothing to block the soundwave.
A "sealed" enclosure is one that blocks the soundwave projected from the rear of the speaker. That foam, like the baloon in the example above, does virtually nothing to block the soundwave.
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I have used those acoustic baffles for years, they do indeed rock. It mellows the bass response of the speaker, making for much smoother midbass with less attack at low frequency. You cannot hear as low of a frequency when using these baffles, but the low freq. that you do hear seems much more solid since the baffle restricts the cone of the speaker from springing back and forth as bad as it would in a free air format.
Those of you that have a subwoofer in your car should notice a improvement in midrange performance using these baffles.
Those of you that have a subwoofer in your car should notice a improvement in midrange performance using these baffles.
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