hot86z-28

hey guys, i'm planning on buying this sub

and then i'm not sure what amp, i'm not looking for something that rattles my head all the time just something with some more sound and a good price. please dont try and talk me outta this sub unless u have a better alternative for the price, 50 bucks.

now for the real question, what type of box should i use, ported or sealed? i will probably use one like this, that shifty used except just one sub. also how much space should it need? thanks for all the help

Boomin Boy

if you're set on that sub you should post the specs so we can help design a box for you.

personally i think your $50 can be spent a little better such as this sub http://ikesound.com/product-product_id/2007

91rsv6

I agree with bomin boy but i noticed the ikesound logo and he is a very good person to buy stereo stuff from. Fast shipping too.

Jim85IROC

iTrader: (2)

Why even spend the $50? You really think it's going to sound better than your 2 pioneers? It's a piece of sh*t sub.

If I were you I'd just put an extra $50 toward a better amp for the Pioneers. A good amp powering those pioneers will sound better and go louder than a cheap amp powering a cheap sub.

FyreLance

Jim, easy there cowboy, the pic he posted was not of his current system.

Though what you said is probably right... it'll probably sound better if he doesn't buy that sub.

Check out the Dayton line from Parts Express, and for only a little bit more you could pick up something from the Alpine line which would be MUCH better sounding.

hot86z-28

yeah i definetly dont have two subs and downgrading to one. and have any of you heard this sub? atleast two of my friends have them and i will tell you for the price they sound pretty good. here are the specs...

# FS(free air resonance) - 32HZ
# Qts(total speaker"Q") - 0.462
# Qes(electrical"Q") - 0.543
# Qms(mechanical"Q") - 7.621
# Vas(equivalent compliance) - 35 L
# Efficiency(1W/1m) - 88.62 dB
# Sd(piston surface area) - 0.0346 m
# Re(DC resistance) - 3.2
# Nominal Impedance - dual 4
# Powerhandling(continuous) - 400 W
# Mounting depth - 145 mm
# Mounting hole diameter - 235 mm

and i'm not looking to spend a bunch of money because right now i'm dropping almost a thousand bucks on body work to get the car to look right, so i just want something that hits a little bit and that i know is there... do you think the pioneer that was linked about would be a better choice? thanks... also i know how much everybody hates sony stuff on here, or for the post part hates it but here is an amp that i think has pretty good specs,



# CHANNELS AMP 600 WATTS POWER
# 100 WATTS RMS x2 AT 4 OHM
# 125 WATTS RMS X 2 AT 2 OHM
# 250 WATTS RMS X 1 AT 4 OHM
# TRI-WAY CAPABLE
# STEREO OR BRIGED MONO OUTPUT
# VARIABLE BASS BOOST
# GOLD-PLATED CONNECTORS

and it's 110 bucks, as you can see shifty has a sony in his, he says its not the best but for a budget system it's not bad.

FyreLance

Specs mean jack. As far as amps go, you have much better options.

This is my Pioneer amp I just recently sold. It was a 1000W Class D mono block. It sounded just fine and pushed my Alpine Type-R great. I bought it brand new for $280 bucks, you can find them on the Internet for 100 bucks, and it's 1000W, so I'm sure you could find a lower rated model for even cheaper. It's not the best super-duper new amp out there, but it's loads better than that one.



Just trust me in that Sony car audio sucks. My buddy has the newer model of that amp, it's an 800W. It sounds awful. It was even more apparent when we hooked his amp to my sub and then my amp to his sub and compared. It was night and day.

FyreLance

Here's some better sub options:

Alpine Type-E 12" (or a Type-S or Type-R [recommended] for a little more money) $62

Pioneer TS-W125C $58

A used JL12W0 would be great for this application... eBay is your friend.

Or, something from Dayton Loudspeaker (Jim would know more about this line, I've yet to mess with them). Check out PartsExpress.com

Just trying to help ya out bro.

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

Hot86 used the pic of my set-up to get some opinions on what might be better but also be cost effective. Just to clear some things up. I didn't want to buy the sony amp (I know they don't make the best stuff) but I got a deal I simply could not refuse on it. It actually sounds much better than I thought and was perfect for some heavy thumping and good all around sound. It is by no means competition but can really shake the glass if I want. The box I made is actually too small for the subs and my sound quality would be even better if I had the proper box size. None the less I am very happy with it and it sounds awesome for the total price I paid for everything. My roomate used to have a 500 buck alpine amp with two high end 12" JL's. It sounded great but mine sounds almost as good for about half the price. We all know you get what you pay for when it comes to stereo sutff but not everyone has $1200 bucks for one.

FyreLance

Well the whole point of my posts were that you don't have to spend $1200 to get quality equipment.

ShiftyCapone

iTrader: (7)

Agreed. I was trying to explain the reasoning behind my system a bit since some people didn't quite seem to think it was worth a damn.

Sitting Bull

Shifty,

You can take all of those "golden eared" experts and sit them down for some double blind listening tests with your Sony amp and any other one driving the same sub. They will NOT be able to tell you with certainty which one is which, as long as both amps are not being overdriven.

There is a difference in amp quality but it is almost never a matter of what you can hear, but rather a difference of components which make up each device. Some use longer lasting, better quality pieces and some don't.

Jim85IROC

iTrader: (2)

To answer you question, yes, I have heard those subs. They remind me of those times in high school when I was forced to walk by the SPED classroom. Usually there was a room full of retards banging on anything they could find. That's sorta how those subs sound. It's a calamity of crap that can overwhelm your senses and cause rampant desires to shove a blunt object into your skull through your ear canal.

No matter what song you listen to, the bass sounds exactly the same. It has no musicality at all. Just thump thump thump.

For around the same amount of money, I'd consider some of this stuff:

MTX 10" sub:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=293-350 This sub looks just like the old Kicker Comp subs. I don't know if it sounds the same, but if it's close, then it's ok in my book.

Dayton Quatro:
http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showd...number=295-550

Pioneer:
http://www.cardomain.com/item/PIOTSW255C


As for the sony amp, it's an over-rated pile of crap too.

Sitting Bull

Hmm, did you get up on the wrong side of the bed or stub your toe or something?

Jim85IROC

iTrader: (2)

Well, I did stub my toe on my fan this morning.

FyreLance

I personally did a hearing test on the Sony amp compared to my Pioneer and it was night and day difference.

Sitting Bull

Then there was something wrong with the amp. Night and day differences are a sign of something seriously wrong.

FyreLance

Or crap amps.

FyreLance

* or a bad ear.

AlbertaFbody

ok my opinion is this. i went out bought some rockford punch z subs and a ma audio amp and sure it sounded ok for a 100 bucks. but you just have to look for the good deals i just bought and installed 2 380watt coustic amps 1 180 watt coustic amp and a 180 watt pioneer amp as well as kenwood deck and a kenwood equalizer. and i bought it all for 300$ so my advise is don't be a cheap *** cause it kicks you in the *** in the end. those subs are the looks to good to be true look. big *** magnet says they can handle 400 watts. but really they will just destort due to the thin cone and crappy foam surround and maybe the welfare voice coil they used. its a money trap thus why they are mostly sold on ebay

330hp_91RS

Check into VISONIK Subs...I had a pair of 10's that sounded really decent, not just for the money, decent period.

I think you could pick up a 12 for like 60-70 bucks.