Whats the story on rear calipers?
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Whats the story on rear calipers?
We should all be able to agree that GM was smoking a crack rock (like most everyone else in the 80's) when it came to F-Body rear disk brakes. The fact is, the whole park brake incorporated rear caliper, just doesn't work worth having. I'm tired of replacing calipers and trying my best to use park brake to keep em freed up.
So whats the best way to remedy the situation? What other calipers can i install that will bolt up?
I tore down one of my calipers the other night and had a thought. Why not just gut out the park break mechanism. Remove the inner piston, springs, washers, gear, weld the hole in the piston up, and put it back together. It would basically be just a normal caliper. Think it would work?
So whats the best way to remedy the situation? What other calipers can i install that will bolt up?
I tore down one of my calipers the other night and had a thought. Why not just gut out the park break mechanism. Remove the inner piston, springs, washers, gear, weld the hole in the piston up, and put it back together. It would basically be just a normal caliper. Think it would work?
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Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
TTT. Help me out.
Whats the easiest caliper swap to do for a reliable caliper, and will they bolt up to the existing mounts?
Will D-154 metrics fit?
Whats the easiest caliper swap to do for a reliable caliper, and will they bolt up to the existing mounts?
Will D-154 metrics fit?
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Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
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Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
Honestly I stay away from those disc setups all together..
If it was me I would use 89-97 rear disc setup. much better.
Its all I have on my cars. I wont buy 88 and older f cars 4 that reason!!
just upgrade and be happy!!
of course make sure you have wheels that'll fit ..
If it was me I would use 89-97 rear disc setup. much better.
Its all I have on my cars. I wont buy 88 and older f cars 4 that reason!!
just upgrade and be happy!!
of course make sure you have wheels that'll fit ..
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Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
Honestly I stay away from those disc setups all together..
If it was me I would use 89-97 rear disc setup. much better.
Its all I have on my cars. I wont buy 88 and older f cars 4 that reason!!
just upgrade and be happy!!
of course make sure you have wheels that'll fit ..
If it was me I would use 89-97 rear disc setup. much better.
Its all I have on my cars. I wont buy 88 and older f cars 4 that reason!!
just upgrade and be happy!!
of course make sure you have wheels that'll fit ..
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Axle/Gears: G92 - 3.23
Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
Just making sure, but in order to do a 89-97 rear caliper swap, i need to swap rotors also? NAPA shows two different pn's for 87 and 89 camaro rear rotors. Will lines work? I'm actually thinking about hacking off those ridiculous metal lines and mounting SSBLs.
Rotors $27.25 x 2 = $54.50
Calipers $175 x 2 = $350
Pads $20
So $424.50+ later ill have a reliable rear brake system. F*ing ridiculous.
Rotors $27.25 x 2 = $54.50
Calipers $175 x 2 = $350
Pads $20
So $424.50+ later ill have a reliable rear brake system. F*ing ridiculous.
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Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
Yeah you have to swap everything to make those newer disc brakes work. Its not hard but you hae to swap the backing plates, calipers, and rotors, probably will have to do something about the brake lines too since the Delco Moraine calipers are on opposite sides of the axle on different sides, and the PBR calipers are both on the backside of the caliper. The e-brake should still work, but you'll have to adjust it.
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Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
with that kind of money you could find a 98+ rear with ls1 brakes.... so you will have a lower mileage rear and much better brakes... just a thought...
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Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
Yeah you have to swap everything to make those newer disc brakes work. Its not hard but you hae to swap the backing plates, calipers, and rotors, probably will have to do something about the brake lines too since the Delco Moraine calipers are on opposite sides of the axle on different sides, and the PBR calipers are both on the backside of the caliper. The e-brake should still work, but you'll have to adjust it.
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Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
The link I posted in your other thread details the conversion.
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Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
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Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
It depends on what rearend you have and what rear or parts you buy.
Like what was said earlier, look 4 a complete rearend. Its cheaper than buying 100% new parts. Ive seen them go for 100-400$
If you buy the complete rear from a 3rdgen you will most likely even have the working Ebrake cables. The 3rdgens used a 9bolt and 10bolt soo they have 2 diff backing plates just like your brakes.
Unless you roadcourse the crap out of your car, I like the 89-97 brakes a lil better than the 98-02 LS rear brakes because they are waaay lighter and dont have the goofy heavy drum style 70s corvette style ebrake built in to the rotor and I think more wheels fit them than the LS(im not 100% sure tho)..
Like what was said earlier, look 4 a complete rearend. Its cheaper than buying 100% new parts. Ive seen them go for 100-400$
If you buy the complete rear from a 3rdgen you will most likely even have the working Ebrake cables. The 3rdgens used a 9bolt and 10bolt soo they have 2 diff backing plates just like your brakes.
Unless you roadcourse the crap out of your car, I like the 89-97 brakes a lil better than the 98-02 LS rear brakes because they are waaay lighter and dont have the goofy heavy drum style 70s corvette style ebrake built in to the rotor and I think more wheels fit them than the LS(im not 100% sure tho)..
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Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
Yeah man LS swap all the way! Wayyyy cheaper too. Find em on ebay too. This is the guy I bought mine from. Offer him $150
http://www.ebay.com/itm/98-02-Camaro...item48416d1805
http://www.ebay.com/itm/98-02-Camaro...item48416d1805
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Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
I havent thought about my rear drums much until reading this thread. No idea why my well optioned car didnt get that $179 option box checked....
anyway.... WHat else needs to be swapped in order to put LS1 rear discs on my 1988 Iroc? Proportioning valve obviously.... is the booster, and master cylinder from the 88 good?
I did a search and it seems theres a couple PValves that come up often.
GM 14089496 1989 1st design: M1.0 tube nut threads (1984 - early 1989)
GM 10136840 1989 2nd design: M1.5 tube nut threads (Late 1989-92)
since I've got an 88, I assume the first one is the one I need?
anyway.... WHat else needs to be swapped in order to put LS1 rear discs on my 1988 Iroc? Proportioning valve obviously.... is the booster, and master cylinder from the 88 good?
I did a search and it seems theres a couple PValves that come up often.
GM 14089496 1989 1st design: M1.0 tube nut threads (1984 - early 1989)
GM 10136840 1989 2nd design: M1.5 tube nut threads (Late 1989-92)
since I've got an 88, I assume the first one is the one I need?
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Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
I havent thought about my rear drums much until reading this thread. No idea why my well optioned car didnt get that $179 option box checked....
anyway.... WHat else needs to be swapped in order to put LS1 rear discs on my 1988 Iroc? Proportioning valve obviously.... is the booster, and master cylinder from the 88 good?
I did a search and it seems theres a couple PValves that come up often.
GM 14089496 1989 1st design: M1.0 tube nut threads (1984 - early 1989)
GM 10136840 1989 2nd design: M1.5 tube nut threads (Late 1989-92)
since I've got an 88, I assume the first one is the one I need?
anyway.... WHat else needs to be swapped in order to put LS1 rear discs on my 1988 Iroc? Proportioning valve obviously.... is the booster, and master cylinder from the 88 good?
I did a search and it seems theres a couple PValves that come up often.
GM 14089496 1989 1st design: M1.0 tube nut threads (1984 - early 1989)
GM 10136840 1989 2nd design: M1.5 tube nut threads (Late 1989-92)
since I've got an 88, I assume the first one is the one I need?
https://www.thirdgen.org/ls1reardisc
And here's what you do about the prop valve:
https://www.thirdgen.org/propvalve
I've done both recently and was a huge improvement. Also, grab an LS1 Camaro master cylinder. It'll bolt to your stock booster and give you a little extra pedal. Also you can pick up an LS1 booster too. Another added benefit to the LS1 master is that you can then use a Motive Products power bleeder to thoroughly bleed your brakes by yourself.
When you get your drums off, you'll find this:
Which you have to make look like this through drilling and cutting. Not too difficult:
Then throw on the backing plates and mount everything up. Done:
Prop valve:
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Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
I did a search and it seems theres a couple PValves that come up often.
GM 14089496 1989 1st design: M1.0 tube nut threads (1984 - early 1989)
GM 10136840 1989 2nd design: M1.5 tube nut threads (Late 1989-92)
since I've got an 88, I assume the first one is the one I need?
GM 14089496 1989 1st design: M1.0 tube nut threads (1984 - early 1989)
GM 10136840 1989 2nd design: M1.5 tube nut threads (Late 1989-92)
since I've got an 88, I assume the first one is the one I need?
JamesC
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Re: Whats the story on rear calipers?
I wish I would've read this before dumping $$$ into getting the rear end set up (brakes) redone.. FML
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