86_Z28kid

ok guys and gals... I have a question to ask and would like to get it answered as fast as possible... I have been racing for some time now.. Road racing... Right now i have the c5 corvette brakes on the front and man are they nice... car is an 86 z. anyways im out there using hawks racing pads right now.. and i am getting some brake fade.. I was having to pump the brakes, sorta was feeling like some air in the lines.. or needed new pads not too sure. Anyways.. i had a friend telling me that i should look at EBC
http://www.ebcbrakes.com/yellowstuffinfo.html
tell me what you guys think... if you know of any racing pads out there that will fit let me know asap thanks

Souseless

Hawk has several different pads that could be called race pads. Which pads were you using?

Dave Schotz

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Carbotech is by far the best pad you could run... Better braking than Hawk... and VERY easy on the Rotors!

www.ctbrakes.com

Ask for Danny

86_Z28kid

well i think i was using the HP pads... if not they are the HP+ pads.. i can find out tomorrow to look at them.. i still have another set in the box

Souseless

The HPS and HP+ pads are aggressive street pads. Hawk has other pads available that are better suited to road racing. You should contact them to find out what they recomend. As far as I know EBC does not have a good racing pad. Are you looking for a race pad or a better street/race pad?

86_Z28kid

street/race pad Even though the car is mostly track driven anyways... but i do take it for a cruise time to time

Souseless

All street/track pads will fade because they are a compromise. The best thing to do is add vents to cool the rortors. I know this isn't what your asking for but it is the best way to get what you are looking for. You might also consider swapping your pads when your on the street since street pads don't last long on the track anyway. Then you can use a pad that is meant for the track when your on the track, perhaps just in the front where all the work happens.

Another thought that may help is upgrading your fluid.

86_Z28kid

well i am using high temp fluid... and if you mean vent the rotors they are drilled and slotted.. also i don't think it would be a good idea to be switching from racing pads to street pads.. wouldn't that cause trouble in the lines.. different size pads from being used more than the race set

Dave Schotz

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Souseless is dead on... And again... I'd run Carbotech Brakes... really is nothing better out there...

But just swap out the race pads for your track days etc... and put the street pads back in afterwards... will save you lots of money down the road.

86_Z28kid

im going to upgrade my fluid and put on the new set of brakes i still had and see if that fixes anything... I i still have the issue im going to get the cbtech fronts

Souseless

by venting I mean running flex hose from the front of the car to the rotors to force cool air into them. Skulte sells some nice adapter plates for this purpose.

86_Z28kid

thanks and yea i know what you mean by venting now.. im not sure if i wanna run vents on this car... i have a few months of no racing in summer... so i could work on it then ill check out that link thanks

coolram62

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You've robably done this upgrade but I thought I'd add - have you swapped to stainless brake line?More consistant pedal feel and brake reaction.

86_Z28kid

well i have disc all the way around and yea i have steel braided lines

Souseless

now that we have talked this in a circle..... It looks like that pad is more a track pad so the compromise is on the street which means a safety concern to me. If as it says they are good cold then it may be the first street/track pad that works. Try it out because if they work for you I might give them a try. I'll need new pads in a few months.

ebmiller88

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Short and sweet:

You want a good street and mild track pad that will STOP you? Go EBC but you'll get a LOOOTTTTT of brake dust.

You want a great low dusting pad great for street? Go Hawk.

Ed

Souseless

The HP+ pads have crazy amounts of dust, is EBC really worse?

86_Z28kid

actually im getting the cb tech pads.. c5 pads XP8 the others i hear grab way too hard... they are for cars running slicks if i used it i would lock my tires up.. lol
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yes i heard EBC is not that great for a race pad.. noise like crazy and not too nice on the router but when i get this new next in the next week... ill let you know how they do on street and track

ebmiller88

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EBCs trash my Iroc wheels. I have HPS Street pads on my '93 Silverado Z71 and they have little or no dust at all.

Ed

86_Z28kid

are you racing on those hawk pads? to get a lot of dust... cuz im not getting that much dust on them.. My stock pads on my other car give me more dust than the HP's

KJZ28/TA

iTrader: (1)

Running cooling vents is not a big ordeal and you can set iit up to easily take it on and off. I would seriously consider it for those track days.
Here is some ducting in a 2nd gen.

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showth...t=poly+bushing

Same site different thread with more technical info about it.

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showth...ighlight=brake

86_Z28kid

thanks, i have a good idea for doing it in the 3rd gen. im going to take out the running lights in the front for track days and have the hose hook up there... googled the skul. name above and got a nice site for C5 brake ducts.. its nice spoke with the guy and have them coming my way... guy custom makes every order.. and the carbothech brakes are gunna be great

KJZ28/TA

iTrader: (1)

That sounds really cool. Please post up after you install that. I would really like to see this done on a third gen.
Take care.

86_Z28kid

will do... ill be taking pics of the install on here... it should be a nice clean install i like to keep it neat

Souseless

I autocross on the HP+ pads. HPS pads have very little dust when compared to HP+ but the HPS pads have less bite as well.

86_Z28kid

well honestly i cant remember witch HP pads i had.. all i know is that they worked well and little dust left over... i had no issues with them until i started getting into taking the turns deeper and getting more familiar with my car

Dave Schotz

iTrader: (1)

Congrats on the Carbotechs! Are you running XP8's all the way around? Or just on the front? And maybe use 6's on the rear?

Also, I'd be interested in your brake ducting setup as well.

Thanks,
Dave

86_Z28kid

good question... im trying to figure out if thats what i wanna do or not... not sure if i just want the fronts ( where i need it the most) I dont think i need new rears, if i do i might look at the price of 2 6's for the rears in the 94 rear end... otherwise if my current pads are good im going to keep those and ill deff keep you guys up to date on the cooling... not sure exactly when im going to install it... just waiting for the parts to come in i might wait until may where i have a nice 3 month span to get it installed

Dave Schotz

iTrader: (1)

Current pads will be ok for spirited driving... but ultimately... I'd say move to the 6's on the rear when you want a little more braking out of the vehicle.

Peace,
Dave

86_Z28kid

sorry dave but i dont agree with you one bit. why would i want my back brakes to grab harder than my front my tires would lock up and i would lose traction and goin into a spin I am going to place them on the fronts where thats where most of the weight is going when im racing around the track.. so i think i want better brakes in the front there lol and i have HP+ or HP pads in the rear cant remember exactly

Dave Schotz

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Hey, 86.... Maybe you mis understood... (Or maybe I mis-understood)... aren't you running Carbotech XP8's on the front? The higher the number... the higher the grip. XP6's have less grip than 8's... but more than your stock rear pads.

On our Race Cars we run XP 12's on the Front and XP 8's on the Rear. Others Run XP 10's on the Front, and XP 6's on the year.

I definitely agree you want the front brakes having a higher bias than the rear... that's why you run a higher number on the front, and a lower number on the rear.

86_Z28kid

i have not picked if i want the 6's or 8's i think im going with 8's and im going to leave the rear pads at the HP pads i have so unless i need new rear pads if i do i will get a lower number to make sure that i dont have too much braking in the rear.. also this is a street legal car

Dave Schotz

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HP's on the back are probably close to the 6's... so no biggie... if you drive a lot on the street you may just want to do the 8's on the front... but if you track a bit more... the 10's would be better... but may need a couple taps to be warmed up, and ready for street driviing safely. Peace,
Dave

all4u

Think of your pads this way, EBC's is like a 305 tbi, it'll get the job done but it sucks, but carbotech is like a LS2 motor, it'll get the job done easily without trying. carbotech is hard to find but that would be the way to go. Also you get what you pay for.

86_Z28kid

actually the carbo's were not hard to find at all.. and im going to run the 6's i think def. not going to run the 10's

86_Z28kid

just a little update... i got the brakes today, just got them on my car, working on the ducts now... should have it finished by this weekend for my race ill reply with pics to the ducts and results to how well the brakes did and how cool the rotors are.

86_Z28kid

well i had a great time racing... brakes worked well.... as you guys know i went with the carbotech and well i braked so well that my tires were locking up. also the cooling ducts worked very well, rotors not crossed drilled or slotted were at 250F normally at about 400-500F. So about the brakes i locked the front tires and the car slid right into a wall.... After I get the repair done i will post up the cooling ducts as i promised.. need to buy the front fenders and entire nose.