Ok look at this and listen to this,

"This car is #19 of only 28 1990 SCCA C.O.P.O. factory built showroom race cars. Beautiful red with red leather interior. 350 B2L engine, automatic, aluminum driveshaft, coil springs/all 4 corners, G92 performance axle, PBR dual piston aluminum Corvette calipers, 12" rotors/no dust shield, special baffled fuel tank, special swinging fuel pickup in fuel tank, Bilstein gas struts and extra heavy duty sway bars. Power window, locks and hatch delete. Fog light and air conditioning delete. Mint condition, fully documented collector's car. "

Now this is a car I'm looking at on ebay ::
Item # 600670489 1990 Chevrolet : Camaro

It looks real good, but a bit pricey dont' you think? I might as well buy a 4th gen Camaro for a **** load cheaper.

Opinions

 

wee pit pricey for my taste, i would love to have that car though, but i wouldn't pay that much for it. good to see that you are stickin with a thirdgen (saw other post where you stated your car died, i would hate to see a thirdgener go import)

btw - if memory serves me correctly, don't you hate red interior or was it that it was just to much?

 

I hate white and I hate red interior, but I can't seem to find a black iroc with grey interior. Everythign i find is black with red or White with Red. URGH

 

tell me about it i wanted an IROC and after about 8 months of looking i had to setle with a 6, its ahh right, buts its not an 8, its amazing when you lookin for a car and your "bare minimums" seem to keep opening up farther and you end up with something you really didn't want, just don't rush like i did, and escpecially don't pay to much, i paid a thousand more than i wanted too and got a car with a million ity bity problems, what a pain, i can never mod cuase i am always fixing them

 

It appears that the car pictured does not have power windows or power door locks. The "COPO" program was discontinued in 1973.

 

Of course it's pricey. It's a 5,000 mile ultra-rare thirdgen. This isn't targeted at the same buyer as the average 4th gen buyer. This is targeted toward somebody that wants a collectable thirdgen.

 

If I had the money and space, I'd pay that for it. Probably aren't many, if any lower mileage 1LEs out there. Plus I like the red on red.

 

There was a guy at Carlisle with a 2,200 mile 89 1LE!!!!!! Last I heard he stuck a for-sale sign in that one too.

 

Lets look at those pictures closer shall we??


1) Notice the NEW floor mats, I am pretty sure those are NOT stock, they should be red to match the interior.

2) Notice the dash pad cover...WHY? I ask WHY, if this car is as good of shape as they say it is and as original as it is suposed to be, why the carpet cover. If I owned something like that I SURE would not park it outside when not driving it, since it would be garaged.

3) Ok, no window switches... doesn't say a whole lot, I think you could order a firebird that way, but the leather seats kind of throw me. So letsee, I want a bare bones car to drive at the Track...hmm...can you put leather in that?

4) The front rotors, I believe, are actually 11 1/2" not a biggie, but for some guy that KNOWS what he is has, this should be at least correct.

5) I could tell someone I have a baffeled, swing arm tank too, how would you check without droping it?

Granted, he does say, "documented" BUT I would have to look at the car to make sure... HEY, don't get me wrong, it could be all correct information, and the guy is upright & honest, but those little details kind of throw up a little flag...

Just my opinion...

 

Low mileage 1LE's are not hard to find around me anyway!
The guy up the street has a 90 (almost identical to the one pictured) the odo. just turned 5,000. One town over a guy has a 92Z 1LE, also red, with 2,000 miles.

 

This car was for sale on ebay about 2 or 3 months ago. The seller wants $45k for it. I do not know if that is the price now but this pas weekend at the Barrett-Jackson auction, there was a 91 b4c that went for $20,500 and a 91 1LE that had 246 miles that went for $15k.

I would rather spend $45k on a new vette than a rare 3rd gen camaro.

Just my $.02.

Manny

 

at least if you were carjacked no one would see the bloodstains...

I aggree with okfoz... something seems off about this car

If someone actually pays 45 big ones for it, tell them to call me... I have some prime Florida real estate they might be interested in.

 

$45K??? No way I'd pay that! When I posted above I was thinking more like $15K for a basically new car that just also happens to be rare. I honestly think that $15K would be a fair price.

 

Just a quick question for all you 1LE guys & gals...

back in 88-92 when you purchased a 1LE car, with everything delete. You got all that racing stuff... OK I got that.

But when you did all that deleting, you got credit for the power windows, power locks, radio, Air Conditioning, and all the other stuff that was standard, right? I don't know this for sure, but when you bought one of these cars, it was striped down.

Its not like they were like a TTA or Firehawk, with almost double the sticker price...

I guess in short, WERE they more expensive or cheeper new than a loaded out Z28 or GTA?

If they were cheeper, why the heck would anyone want to pay more now for a car that was essentially striped of everything except the steering wheel, and less then? ... For about $2300 you can get bigger Baer Brakes, (Highly recommended my me) for 82-87 cars and about $1500 for 88+ cars. So whats the hype?

$150 for a used aluminum driveshaft.

Who needs a swing arm gas tank, If you run your car out of fuel without it, then put more gas in.

Dual cat back exhaust figure around $1000 for a compete system from SLP, that would include the 1 3/4" headers.

Figure $300 for the 2 brand new cats...

Just some thoughts... And I like to give some of you a hard time

John

 

Actually, for all 88-92 camaros, you had to order pw, pl, ph, etc individually or purchase one of the group extra option packages, so there was no credit for not having pw, pl, etc.

The cost for the 1LE for 88-92 was $675, so therefore it was cheaper than a fully loaded z28.

Here is a breakdown what the above mentioned 1LE would cost:

$14,555 for base price
$675 for 1LE
$300 for the 5.7 engine
$515 for the auto trans
$800 for the leather
$??? for the shipping charges

Total $16845 plus shipping charge.

I think a fully loaded iroc in 1990 would cost about $1000 more to add the power option groups.

Manny

 

for that price, there was a 1989 Turbo Trans Am with 565 Orig miles, convertable i think, white with brown leather interior, for $19650....

 

The hype is that it's a factory built race car designed to own the SCCA autocross races. Of course you can make a better car with aftermarket parts. That really isn't the point. In fact, it's not even close. It's a very rare car, and the most desirable and rare thirdgen Camaro there is. I can certainly understand how people can fail to justify the expense, but I still can't understand how they fail to see the point.

 

Hey guys,

Any of you really know your stuff about these 1LE's? As far as i always understood the 1LE was the race ready but without the power goodies, NO AC, PW etc. I have a friend that has an '89 IROC that was a pace car at a race track in NH and it came with the 1LE underpinnings, the swing arm gas tank, the weird brakes that he's had all sorts of problems with, etc, BUT it also came with factory fog lights, power seat, AC, power windows, all the good interior goodies, T-Tops, etc. I read that only 111 1LE's were built in '89, but they told him that it was a one-off car that GM built for the raceway, hence the power goodies.......So what gives here?

 

A while back I remember seeing a firebird that some guy had that had the 1LE Package but he had alot of the other goodies, like power mirrors, windows etc. It apparently had the RPO sheet, and thats how he discovered what it was.

I dunno...Strange thiings afoot at the circle K...

 

i swear i read somewhere that the fuel pump was changed to the swing arm in like 91 or 92, not 90, cuz thats the year they had problems with it...

 

I do not think you could get t-tops with the 1LE. I could be wrong but all of the 1LE's I have seen are all hardtops.

Manny

 

You're correct. Look at the pic again:

 

Very decent car, but not worth that amount of money, IMO.....

Brian

 

Well....The car I know breaks all the rules. It is a 1LE, It HAS T-tops, it has fog lights, it has power seat, it has A/C, It HAD the swinging arm fuel tank till he took it out because of problems. It has some funky brake system that always breaks that I think they changed on '90-later 1LE's, etc. And it came that way from GM. If I get the VIN is there anyplace where I can type it in and get the RPO list for it?

 

It's not a 1LE if it's got all that crap. The RPOs are on the underside of the console lid. I've heard about some dealers getting the RPO list from the VIN, but most don't seem willing to do it.

 

Response to Jim 85 IROC, Why some fail to see the difference.......Is because some are collectors and others are just users. Us users and abusers don't have the same level of appreciation for the magnificent as you, We would have to cover that car with stone chips on the bottom to really appreciate it. The other side to the coin is that the users car is not an investment and will not be worth more when he is finished using it.

 

Why do you have to start making personal comments? I own my cars to drive them, but there are more than enough used cars out there that you and I can do that to. A rare, original car is something very special... oh f*ck it. I don't give a rat's *** what you think so why am I wasting my time explaining it?

Buy it, thrash it, trash it, do whatever the f**k you want to it, but why waste your time bitching about people that have an interest in preserving an original car?

 

Reread my previous post, it is a compliment not a put down. You have a higher level of appreciation for a fine car than some of us.

 

another thing i just noticed...unless im mistaken, true 1LE's only came with a standard tranny...that one has an auto...

 

Roc, if you can get the vin number and the rpo codes, just write them down. then open up notepad on your computer, and type them out, then post them here, or on a website. I would be inclined to say that the car is a G92 cars, which did come with some of the 1LE parts, but had a/c and fog lamps, and were available with t-tops if you had the 305. But hey, who knows what chevy did, send us some more info, we'd like to know some more

we're not tryin to hassle you, we just wanna know a little more.

Robert

 

I think a fully loaded iroc in 1990 would cost about $1000 more to add the power option groups.

Manny
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Manny, approx how much was it to ship a 90 iroc from california? reason i ask is because a friend has a 90 (has the original window sticker), and the car sold new for 19k, and was pretty well loaded. it had drums on the rear, but was converted to rear discs, so i imagine it wasn't a 1LE car.

Robert

 

Shipping was the same to all dealerships. The 2002 camaros have a $575 shipping charge added on to the sticker price.

Robert is correct in that 88Roc350TPI's friend camaro is probably a G92 car (which mine is also). You could get t-tops with the 350, I believe from 1990 on down.

thenewguy,

Some 1LE's did come with auto. In 1990, there were 28 auto 350's and 34 305 5-speeds for a total of 64 built in 1990. There were 111 1LE's built in 89 but I do not know how many were 305's vs. 350's. In 1988, there were 4 1LE's built.

Hope this helps clear up some confusion!!!

88Roc350TPI's,

send a pic of your friends 89 camaro, so we can verify if it is a 1LE.

Manny

 

Touche'. Sorry if I took it the wrong way. I thought you were being sarcastic.

Newguy, the 1LEs only had a 5-speed with the 305. With the 350 it got the auto.

 

See if you can bargain him down on that price. 3yrs ago a friend of mine picked up #1 of those 28 90' Irocs. I think he only paid about 14k for it, and it had 3800 on the clock, now it has just over 5k. Mind you, this car is 100% original, except for some mods that can be easily changed back to stock.

 

I believe that the last year for an L98/CC1 car was 1989. any CC1 cars after 1989 would have the LB9, L03, or the LH0.

 

Camaro or firebird? I am 100% positive that 1992 Formulas were available with CC1 T-tops AND L98 350, they even got different wheels when ordered in that combo.

John

 

oops, i meant to say that was for Camaro. thanks for the quick thinking, John.

 

no problem...