Originally Posted by scottmoyer

You're a commercial driver? For what company? I bet they'd be very happy to know that you understand the basics of driving laws. If you look at my post above, I copied the AZ statute that shows the rules and even highlighted the important areas. A green arrow designates that it is safe to turn in that direction and any opposing traffic is stopped. Once the green arrow goes to a solid green indicator, then the people turning left need to yield to oncoming traffic approaching the intersection.

You must be one of those people down here in FL that sits at a green arrow because the other lights are still red! What are they teaching you guys in driver's ed these days? Most people don't know how to merge, turn into the lane closest to them, keep right except to pass, etc. I see so many stories of people wrecking their cars these days and I'm starting to understand why. My son is 13 and after I'm done teaching him the rules of the road, I'm sending him to Bondurant to learn how to drive defensively and control the car in most situations.

Originally Posted by drknow90rs_ss@y

As I said earlier: The green arrow does not give right-of-way. Arizona (And three other states.) simply sees the arrow as a Cue that it is considered "Safe to turn with caution"

I never said that the person who ran the light had right-of-way. You have to look at it from the policemans point of view:
He is arriving at the scene of an accident in which a car that was obviously turning left was hit by a vehicle that was approaching from the opposite direction. One driver says "I had an arrow" the other driver says "I had the green light" The law was designed so that the police officer may decide quickly and fairly in these cases. I dont agree with the law,I didnt write the law, I dont like it and I hope the O.P. didnt get the ticket.

Originally Posted by 91phoenix

I know first hand that the cops will do this. I was in an accident about 10 or more years ago and when I told the police that I seen a car there but I didn't know what kind it was They wrote that I did not know that there was a car there. Was told that they wrote it and I could not do anything about it. 'They can write anything they want'. I lost my job from that too because of that statement about the car as the company ruled that I admitted fault.

Glad you are OK though. That other driver will hopefully get the worst of it if the police put all that in their report.
Though I wouldn't try to fix the car I hope that you can get another one soon and are able to get back to work..

Originally Posted by scottmoyer

You must be one of those people down here in FL that sits at a green arrow because the other lights are still red! What are they teaching you guys in driver's ed these days? Most people don't know how to merge, turn into the lane closest to them, keep right except to pass, etc. I see so many stories of people wrecking their cars these days and I'm starting to understand why. My son is 13 and after I'm done teaching him the rules of the road, I'm sending him to Bondurant to learn how to drive defensively and control the car in most situations.

Originally Posted by formulax4

This is retarded. Shouldn't such a common thing such as a green arrow be universal? Should a stop sign in one state mean go in another? I think that This could be challenge able from a whole new perspective.If you have the green arrow and someone else ran a stop light that proves fault period.You were doing what you were supposed to do,He wasn't.Seems pretty straight forward to me.Here is more insight.

http://www.drivingschool.ca/drivereducation/page16.html

From the looks of that stop light system it looks as though that's a protected green left turn light meaning you have the right of way.Even if you proceeded on a yellow that turned red while you was in the middle of the intersection it would STILL be the other drivers fault.In this scenario he would have had to "clip" the light and has to wait till the intersection clears to proceed even if his light was green.

28-771. Vehicle at intersection; exception; entering freeway
A. When two vehicles enter or approach an intersection from different streets or highways at approximately the same time, the driver of the vehicle on the left shall yield the right-of-way to the vehicle on the right. This subsection does not apply to vehicles approaching or entering an uncontrolled "T" intersection if the vehicle on the left is on a continuing street or highway and the vehicle on the right is on the terminating street or highway. The vehicle on the terminating street or highway shall yield to the vehicle on the continuing street or highway.
B. The right-of-way rule prescribed in subsection A of this section is modified at through highways and otherwise as stated in this article.
C. Intersecting road crossings between the main roadway of a freeway and acceleration lanes, ramps or any other approach roads are not intersections as defined in section 28-601, and subsection A of this section does not control questions of right-of-way at the crossings. A vehicle entering a freeway from an acceleration lane, a ramp or any other approach road shall yield the right-of-way to a vehicle on the main roadway of the freeway entering the merging area at the same time.


I can say this much they always blame the driver of the sports car.If you buy a cavalier there's no worries about even being seen by law enforcement.


Might want to call a traffic attorney and he could help you the most and answer the questions you have.

Safe to turn with caution is a yellow arrow.

Originally Posted by Stonehenge

Sorry to hear what happened.. really glad you are ok. If you take the louvers off your hood, and anything you can remove ANYTHING, get you another 3rd (believe me there are plenty out here!) and replace the louvers, and whatever else you could salvage and trust me, you'll feel like she's REBORN... especially the louvers, cause you see them almost every second you're looking out the window.. and everytime you drink a cold one, pour a little on the ground for your car "that's for my homey" (I've seen them do that on LOCKED UP)

Stone

Originally Posted by dragsta

i never go through an intersection without checking for MORONS first..... i saw a woman do this exact same thing; right through the left-arrow turners. they just stopped for her and nobody even honked. people down here in florida are getting used to the zany, prescription drugged morons.

Originally Posted by Edwardgp

A few words for the boy friend, never bring a bat to a gun fight. Self defend one self conceal carry permit.

Originally Posted by carrelljustin

And thats why my 1911 goes every where with me.

Originally Posted by 85IROCzzz

If anyone was curious basically what ended up happening was they gave me a total of $4200 for the totaled car. It WAS deemed the other drivers fault and he was ticketed. I though of pursuing further compensation but pretty much wanted to forget it all.

That $4200 bought me a 91 Z28 with 92,000 clean miles!

Originally Posted by drknow90rs_ss@y

Yes, I'm a commercial driver and I don't know the rules of the road.... *sigh*

ARS; 28-772 : "The driver of a vehicle within an intersection intending to turn left SHALL YIELD the right-of-way to a vehicle that is approaching from the opposite direction and that is within the intersection or so close as to constitute an immediate hazard."

Arizona does not have a "Protected turn, on green arrow" policy. It is seen as the drivers responsibility to prevent a potential accident. There are several law firms in phoenix that specialize in defending people who have recieved a citation for violating ARS; 28-772. (They claim a 7 percent success rate, for the most part.) Do a search for "Arizona revised left turn" If you would like to see more. My uncle is not wrong about this, and, by association, neither am I.

Originally Posted by 85IROCzzz

If anyone was curious basically what ended up happening was they gave me a total of $4200 for the totaled car. It WAS deemed the other drivers fault and he was ticketed. I though of pursuing further compensation but pretty much wanted to forget it all.

That $4200 bought me a 91 Z28 with 92,000 clean miles!

Originally Posted by scottmoyer

You are seriously telling the Internet that you keep a gun in the console of your vehicle? That doesn't sound like a smart idea!!! Especially when you also have in your profile where you are located. You might want to edit that out!!!

Originally Posted by jensen73110

I don't think local cops troll tgo looking for offenders in their town. And then go looking for the said vehicle. They probably have a couple other things more pressing.
Plus transporting your guns ins't a crime. How do you think people get to the gun range??

Originally Posted by IW-33

I think what he's saying is that someone could bust into your car to get the gun. It can get a LOT worse from there, depending on the situation. That and a M1911 chambered in 10mm Auto is worth a pretty penny.

Originally Posted by 85IROCzzz

If anyone was curious basically what ended up happening was they gave me a total of $4200 for the totaled car. It WAS deemed the other drivers fault and he was ticketed. I though of pursuing further compensation but pretty much wanted to forget it all.

That $4200 bought me a 91 Z28 with 92,000 clean miles!