Fast92RS

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They will be making the boards to insert into the factory tail light housings.

Spike-Z

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My god, thats some good news! Definately subscribing!

MetalliCamaroRS

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With LEDs I assume? If so, will it be with the same LEDs? Or will we be able to buy them without LEDs and just solder our own?

I H8 WWD

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They are using high power leds, same as the ones used in this LED setup...

Its the small white strips. Either way these things are BRIGHT. I have the below LED which is a 12 LEd setup, brightens the hell out of the interior of my 300zx. I used to not be able to see much in the rear, now I see ALL in my 300zx.


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AHHHHHHHH, I just noticed they have VIDEO of these working...check them out if you didnt see them...HELL YEAH, i like these big time...

http://www.spaghettiengineering.com/...ore/videos.asp

I H8 WWD

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A few questions for Spaghetti

1. Will the triangle piece of our tails be part of the boards as well?

2. Are these colored LEDS for sure, or are they white, because I am getting DARK SMOKED lenses and am hoping these come with red or amber or whatever color I need?

3. Can we choose whether to have a red turn signal or amber?

4. Will these be Sequential like they show for all of their other products?

5. Ask if they would like to go in on our front and side markers as well as our third brake lights? As I am replacing all exterior lighting?

Thats all for now....

Fast92RS

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They are going to a sequential version for firebirds Im not sure about Camaros. I will try to get further info but right now they have not even started yet so it will be a little bit.
They will be making a complete kit that is ready to mount into the tailights, no DIY kits.

camarosource

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This is their quote to us

I H8 WWD

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I think someone should make a thread for this, so we dont SERIOUSLY hi-jack cdoyles thread...unless it doesnt matter. Just might be cleaner and easier to find and access....?

karl's-92'-z28

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cdoyle any updates on your tailight project?

cdoyle

I've got the second turn signal almost done.

I'm hoping to get everything done for the second light done this week, and hopefully start mounting the boards into the lens.

cdoyle

We should make 2 threads, use this one for the guys who DIY, and the other for the progress of the ones being made by Spaghetti.

This is pretty cool, can't wait to see what they come up with.

I H8 WWD

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Here is the thread for those wanting to talk about these LED kits from Spaghetti Engineering.

Located in Auto Detailing and Appearance, Camaro section.

www.thirdgen.org/techboard/camaros/459650-spaghetti-engineering-led-kits.html

V6canvas

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What's the word on Firebird (GTA??) lights???

goomaan

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This is pretty kool, I can not wait...

karl's-92'-z28

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Just curious if anyone used Nightshade on the inside of the lens & how would they look? How would the LED's look through blackouts?

omnipotentgoku

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Damn cdoyle... your going to have to keep me updated with these pics.. This MUST be documented on the web.

camarosource

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Any updates from the company on the progress?

camarosource

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Have not heard anything new for a while now? Any progress?

cdoyle

Sorry, no real updates, just been busy and haven't worked on it much.
I still need to make the triangle section for the other side, and get the LEDs on it. I have everything else done.

I'm hoping to start working on the car this summer, once I get it running again I'll be more motivated to work on these

TF34MECHH

Looks like good work. I look forward to your updates.

wavekill00

you did an awesome job on those lights how long all together have you been workin on em?

spills

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Would anyone be up to taking up a collection go get cdoyle (if he's is interested/available) to draw out a detailed wiring diagram along with a parts list? I've seen the Spageheti(sp) kits, but Im the type of guy who would much rather do it on my own. Id be willing to throw down $30 or so so we could get a pretty good DIY writeup. Get a few others, then someone with the know-how can make a few bucks and help out their fellow third-gen brothers

BTW: I browsed through the thread rather quick, so sorry if this has been asked before. What type of controller did you use? Or did you use any? I would like to see how they should be wired for sequential LEDs, that way we can really customize our own setup. Only downside is that Ive already seen a couple of 12v controllers, and they run about $300!

cdoyle

For the amber LEDs looks like Quickar is still clearancing out these
http://www.quickar.com/prodview.php?...GY1uKK5l&id=76

For the brake/tail, I used the Red/Orange Lumileds Superflux LED. I purchased them from on of the moderators on HIDPlanet. I'm not sure if he is still selling them or not, but just go over to the classifieds section, and you'll see his posts.

For the white LEDs, I used the 5chip 100ma superflux style you find on Ebay.
Something like these
http://cgi.ebay.com/50PC-5mm-5-Chips...QQcmdZViewItem

For my design, I used the LED calculator found here.
http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz

Since I'm not using a voltage regulator for my circuits, I just designed them with a source voltage of 15 to take in account any spikes etc.

You can get really fancy using a PWM and voltage regulator, but I've always had good luck with just good old resistors.

As for the sequential stuff, you'll need to go over to HIDPlanet and browse their posts, I've never done that before.

Hope this helps.

spills

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heck ya that helps, thanks man!


Ive also heard about the flasher relays burning out or not working properly when using LEDs, even the direct fit LEDs bulbs for stock sockets. Have you have any problems like that?

rayray78

any updates or progress from the company and are they going to make them for 3rd gen T/A

89RS_82Z

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you need a load compinsator (dont ask how its spelled) lok it up on e-bay, its pretty much a resistor you splice in line to simulate a load on the flasher, thus making it flash properly

cdoyle

You'll need one of these
http://usaled.com/?mainURL=%2Fstore%...item_id%3Doq1k

The stock flasher doesn't work with LEDs because the LEDs draw such little current. The flasher thinks you have a bulb out, so it flashes fast.

Don't use load resistors, that just defeats the purpose of using LEDs in the first place.

spills

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so from the looks of it I would need apprx. 120 reds, 90 ambers and 90 whites per side correct? Im going by Radio shack tomorrow to see if they have the kind of boards you are using, I can't seem to find any on their website.

I also like the idea of using the original style bulb conenctors to make it a clean install. Im still looking into how to make them sequential, though Im kind of skeptical if the results really outweigh the work.

Do those superflux LEDs have 2 anodes AND 2 cathodes? From the looks of it seems that way, but I wasnt sure exactly. Im gonna start ordering my LEDs within the next few weeks.

cdoyle

Radio Shack should have those boards, that's where I get mine.
Sku # 40293 13276

I believe that is the correct amount of LEDs, that sounds right.

As for the sequential, I guess it looks cool but for the extra work of wiring and cost I'm just not as interested in it.

Oh as for the legs on the LEDs, it's just 1 anode/cathode per side the legs are hooked together. That's why superflux are use in auto applications, they provide better stability on the board.

spills

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man, $80 JUST for the whites, Im gonna have to look around to see if there's some cheaper ones out there. I mean I know ya get what ya pay for, but the amber ones are only .10/piece! Thats nearly 1/6 of the price of the whites. Did you try to do the whites with standard 2 wire LEDs, or were you set on using the superflux?

cdoyle

the reason the white are so much are because they are a 5 chip LED, and have a 100ma rating.

Those things are bright!

Sure you'll find a bunch of standard 5mm LEDs on Ebay that claim 11ty billion MCD, but then look at the viewing angle rating. I bet it's like 10 degree or something, and then look a the ma rating, they are usually only 20ma.

If you wanted to save money on the whites, don't use as many as I did. Space them out and only use 5 per row.

That would still be brighter and look better then the normal 5mm ones.

spills

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thanks for the fast responses man, Im hoping to get started on these tomorrow, I just got done polishing my lenses, so they should look pretty slick with the LEDs in there. After all that work, have you thought about putting some in the tag light lenses? I dont remember hearing if you were doing those or not.

sorry man, one last question. That diagram you posted up, you said to ignore the resistor values. What size resistor did yo use for the tail light circuit? I could just try different values to see which ones look best, just curious if you know what size resistor you used. And any idea on the size of the diodes for the input voltage?

cdoyle

back to the white LEDs, it's been so long I forgot. I only used 4 white ones per row.

So a total of 36 White per side for the reverse lights.

I can't remember for sure what I used for the tail light LED, but what I did was get a potentiometer and adjusted it until I liked the brightness, and then bought as close of a resistor as I could that matched the value the pot was set at.

spills

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ya know, the only downside I can see to the LED tails is that I would basically have to convert all my exterior lamps to LEDs as well for the LED flasher relays to work, unless I use a load compensator (researching that now). Or maybe I could just splice in one LED flasher AFTER the original OEM flasher. Hmmm....

cdoyle

If you use the flasher I posted, you can use LED, Bulbs, or both. It doesn't matter to the flasher, it's meant to work with either.

Don't use load resistors.

spills

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ohh, I must have misread that page, I thought it was for LEDs only. Well hell ya, thats even better!

spills

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hey cdoyle, any chance we can get a shot of the backside of one of the completed boards? Im kinda curious how you have yours wired up on the back. I just ordered my ambers, and now Im drawing everything out on the board. I seen one pic you posted up of an imcomplete, I just wanted to see the easiest way to go about doing it

89t-top_maro

Sry but I cant stand to sit and search pages after pages to gather enough of info and courage to do this by my self. Is there a DYI book or any gathering of info that is uniform and has a list of instructions? ANY INFO IS APPRECIATED!!!!

scooter

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Yes, all of the info you need is in this thread

spills

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cdoyle has posted up everything needed a few times, it aint gonna take long to look through the thread to see what all is required. I was like that when I first saw this, but best thing is to read through. Alot of good info and feedback on here too to get ya goin.

spills

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almost done with my first board! I ran out of resistorsm but I got 2/3 of the turn signal board done, and man does it look good! It's alot of soldering though, hardest part for me was soldering that first pin on each LED so they would stay in place and not move around.

spills

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anyone found a good deal on the amber/red LEDs? Cheapest Ive found so far is about $.73/LED. And I re-did my math and it looks like Id need 162/side which includes the wraparound section. Thats 324 LEDs just for the tail/brake section, thats +$200! There's gotta be a a place thats got them for cheaper. Ive found the white ones on eBay coming out of Hong Kong for a decent price, but Im still looking for the amber/red ones, including over at hidplanet.

spills

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found some! Guy on HIDplanet had about 2400, I think he's still got some left if anyone's currently making their tails.

Another question about the flasher, do they make an "adjustable" flasher where you can speed up or slow down the rate of flashes? I know that link that you (cdoyle) put up says that it's for standard or LEDs applications, but it doesnt say anything about standard AND LEDs. Im wondering if it will throw off the rhythm of the flashing at all. I dont foresee me converting my front turns into LEDs anytime soon (though Im sure I will), but Id like to keep the fronts stock for now.

Stephen

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One of my STS customers got an adjustable flasher relay off fleabay for $25.

Sorry, but I don't remember the seller or which STS customer of mine bought it..Not much help, other than I know it exists. Sorry.

spills

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did they say they needed it, or were they just trying it out?

Stephen

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No need to. Mine is stock & of the 60 STS units I've sold, only the 1 person (that I now of) wanted to change their flasher so it would blink slower.

spills

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well the STS are standard bulbs correct? Or is it it basically a control box to turns current tails into STS? Im more concerned about the standard fronts and LED rears not being able to control the "flash" on their own with a standard flasher.

Stephen

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The STS controller box doesn't care if you use standard or L.E.D. bulbs. The stock flasher remains & the STS controller turns the stock flasher rear signal into 3 outputs. The speed is determined by the stock flasher on the chassis.

cdoyle

darn I wasn't getting any emails about people replying to this!

The flasher I got, it's not adjustable but you can have both LEDs and Bulbs at the same time. I actually tested that out when I was messing around with the flasher, and it worked pretty well.

spills

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hey cdoyle, did you have any issues with the top or bottom of the board appearing brighter than the other on the tail/brake board?I just got done with both sides, and on both boards when using the tail circuit, it appears that one side of the board is brighter than the other. Only thing I can think of is that the 12V wire is coming in from the side, and the ground wire(s) are coming out of the top. But even then, the side thats furthest away from the ground wire seems to be brighter, which if anything I figured would have been vice-versa.

I did learn something today though! I got tired of going to the garage and popping my hood to get 12v, so I finally took the car charger and put it in my room for now. I hooked up the negative clip to the negative on the board, and I had noticed that when I had even a part of my finger on the positive part of the clip from the charger, all I had to do was touch the wire going into the board and they would ever-so slightly light up! It was one of those "huh, that's pretty freakin cool" moments. I guess thats a good way of showing people that LEDs really dont need hardly any power at all to operate. If what little current was flowing throgh my body from the charger could light them up enough to see, thats amazing! sorry, I just thought that was cool as hell

EDIT: For whoever else in the future tries this (which I highly recommend!), the superflux's I got called for 33 ohm resistors in a 5 LED array with 15V source and 2.xx mA I think. I put in a 68 ohm resistor (leftover form the amber turn boards) for the tail light circuit, and it seems to look pretty darn good for tails. And there's still a noticable difference in brightness between the brakes and tails. Once I get them mounted in the housing Ill post up some shots.

EDIT #2: Do they make any kind of aerosol-based coating I can coat the back of the boards with to basically insulate them from everything, or a "sealer" even? All my leads on the board are pretty solid, but Id like to try and find something I can spray on the back to ensure there aren't going to be any shorts.