glueing it on
05-13-2007, 07:08 PM
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glueing it on
so i was going to glue a new quater pannle on. i was just wondering if anyone has done this? if not i guess ill be the one that trys it but yeah i guess if anyone has any tips or anything thank you
am i missing something? 
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Re: glueing it on
Yes you can GLUE em on. but just use it as a back up or as an overlap area.
Id still weld it but TONS of factory cars are glued.
http://www.autobodysupply.net/store/...E-A6D574104B13
Id still weld it but TONS of factory cars are glued.
http://www.autobodysupply.net/store/...E-A6D574104B13
3m has a new bonding glue i think its 8115 not sure it has a red and black label on it.. U can bondo metal to smc, metal to metal, fiberglass to metal,ect ect. and filler will stick to it.
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Re: glueing it on
seriously a bad idea, just get it welded this isn't one of those repairs to do half-youknowwhat. 
That quarter panel is a structural part of this unibody car! hit one speed bump or a dip and it'll crack and pop right off.
That quarter panel is a structural part of this unibody car! hit one speed bump or a dip and it'll crack and pop right off.
05-14-2007, 08:09 AM
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They make epoxies that are stronger than weld when used correctly... FYI....
But by the time you find it, and do it right so it doesnt have problems, you might as well just weld it up.
I dont know that Ide use that stuff on an entire 1/4 panel. Maybe if you were just replacing a rusted out spot...
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But by the time you find it, and do it right so it doesnt have problems, you might as well just weld it up.
I dont know that Ide use that stuff on an entire 1/4 panel. Maybe if you were just replacing a rusted out spot...
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Re: glueing it on
I'd go with the Elmer's Glue stick. It's cheap and a 5 year old could do it!
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Re: glueing it on
Its fully you guy "rag on blue" have ANY OF you who posted used the stuff?
GM,FORD,etc.. ALL use BODY glues. look at the products in the link I posted.
Easy to find. Just goto a REAL parts/ automotive paint shop and they should have some or can order it for you.
I DONT recomend you do it unless you know what your doing.
GM,FORD,etc.. ALL use BODY glues. look at the products in the link I posted.
Easy to find. Just goto a REAL parts/ automotive paint shop and they should have some or can order it for you.
I DONT recomend you do it unless you know what your doing.
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Re: glueing it on
wow people, dont jump to conclusion, i see LOTS of body shops doind it this way, quicker, no chance of warping and its strong as hell! just because you havnt heard of it dosnt mean its the wrong way of doing something...
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Re: glueing it on
i work in abody shop and some of that glue is good for some uses,but i don`t know any that would recomened glue a quarter panel on, why don`t you want too welt that puppy on there are way to not warping it that bad and you can straighten a warped area without too much bondo.
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Re: glueing it on
how do you think alot of doors are held on place on some newer vehicles, you dont see peoples door falling off...
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Re: glueing it on
GM used it on the 3rdgen back in '83
1983 STOCK hoods were lightweight SMC (Sheet Molded Compound) hoods. glue held the 2 sheets together. Granted alot of em came apart but guess what that was '83
The bonding glues have came along way since then. You would be lucky to pull 2 pieces apart with using durabond today.
MMm the new SS hoods are SMC. Mmm the Deck Lid and Spoiler..
I could go on more if you like........
http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/454581
few more links for ya..........
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-66932255.html
Bonding Technology In Cars: Adhesives Instead Of Rivets, Screws and Welding – Supplier Data By Degussa Advanced Nanomaterials
http://www.azonano.com/Details.asp?ArticleID=1599
I bet I have more in my bookmarks from this debate before also.... Just let me know if you need more to read..
1983 STOCK hoods were lightweight SMC (Sheet Molded Compound) hoods. glue held the 2 sheets together. Granted alot of em came apart but guess what that was '83
The bonding glues have came along way since then. You would be lucky to pull 2 pieces apart with using durabond today.
MMm the new SS hoods are SMC. Mmm the Deck Lid and Spoiler..
I could go on more if you like........
http://news.thomasnet.com/fullstory/454581
Panel-Bonding Adhesive meets automotive OEM specifications.
August 16, 2004 - Used to replace quarter panels, roofs, box sides, utility doors, and door skins, Automix PN 08116 meets GM (6449G) and DailmerChrysler (MS-CD 507) failure-mode requirements. It facilitates non-structural repairs by reducing or eliminating need to weld. Surfaces are sealed and bonded in one application, and adhesive cures on-demand with heat. Glass beads in adhesive work as built-in spacers for optimum bond line thickness.
August 16, 2004 - Used to replace quarter panels, roofs, box sides, utility doors, and door skins, Automix PN 08116 meets GM (6449G) and DailmerChrysler (MS-CD 507) failure-mode requirements. It facilitates non-structural repairs by reducing or eliminating need to weld. Surfaces are sealed and bonded in one application, and adhesive cures on-demand with heat. Glass beads in adhesive work as built-in spacers for optimum bond line thickness.
Release date: August 13, 2004
New Panel Bonding Adhesive from 3M Meets Latest OEM Specs
(St. Paul, MN) 3M introduces its Automix brand Panel Bonding Adhesive PN 08116. Used to replace quarter panels, roofs, box sides, utility doors and door skins, this new adhesive meets stringent GM (6449G) and DailmerChrysler (MS-CD 507) failure-mode requirements, and comes with a comprehensive lifetime warranty.
3M says its line of panel bonding adhesives offers a faster, safer method for many non-structural repairs by reducing or eliminating the need to weld. Surfaces are sealed and bonded in one application, and the adhesive cures on demand with the addition of heat. Glass beads in the adhesive work as built-in spacers for optimum bond line thickness. Using this product eliminates most overhead welding and the heat warpage of sheet metal that is associated with welding.
New Automix brand Panel Bonding Adhesive PN 08116 from 3M is now available through 3M's existing paint and body distribution channels.
New Panel Bonding Adhesive from 3M Meets Latest OEM Specs
(St. Paul, MN) 3M introduces its Automix brand Panel Bonding Adhesive PN 08116. Used to replace quarter panels, roofs, box sides, utility doors and door skins, this new adhesive meets stringent GM (6449G) and DailmerChrysler (MS-CD 507) failure-mode requirements, and comes with a comprehensive lifetime warranty.
3M says its line of panel bonding adhesives offers a faster, safer method for many non-structural repairs by reducing or eliminating the need to weld. Surfaces are sealed and bonded in one application, and the adhesive cures on demand with the addition of heat. Glass beads in the adhesive work as built-in spacers for optimum bond line thickness. Using this product eliminates most overhead welding and the heat warpage of sheet metal that is associated with welding.
New Automix brand Panel Bonding Adhesive PN 08116 from 3M is now available through 3M's existing paint and body distribution channels.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-66932255.html
Bonding Technology In Cars: Adhesives Instead Of Rivets, Screws and Welding – Supplier Data By Degussa Advanced Nanomaterials
http://www.azonano.com/Details.asp?ArticleID=1599
I bet I have more in my bookmarks from this debate before also.... Just let me know if you need more to read..
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Re: glueing it on
"3M says its line of panel bonding adhesives offers a faster, safer method for many non-structural repairs"
Sorry, I still don't buy it. Hoods, Door Panels - OK, but 3M says thereselves that it's for a Non-Structural part of the car. A full quarter qualifies as a very big structural part of the car. Granted, if your replacing a small portion of it such as in front of or behind the wheelwell it probably works fine.
There is simply no way to get a strong bond in the doorjamb, rocker & taillamp area. I'm sure I can be proven wrong with some of todays cars and their lightweight composite panels but that's not what we're talking about here.
Thank's for the links, interesting reading for sure!
Sorry, I still don't buy it. Hoods, Door Panels - OK, but 3M says thereselves that it's for a Non-Structural part of the car. A full quarter qualifies as a very big structural part of the car. Granted, if your replacing a small portion of it such as in front of or behind the wheelwell it probably works fine.
There is simply no way to get a strong bond in the doorjamb, rocker & taillamp area. I'm sure I can be proven wrong with some of todays cars and their lightweight composite panels but that's not what we're talking about here.
Thank's for the links, interesting reading for sure!
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Re: glueing it on
Yes its good reading. and Ya they (3m) "say " that for liability reasons Im sure.
I worked for a Co. doing composit work. We built Welcraft boats, Everything from the hulls to decks etc... How do yo uthink we mated the complete top decks to the hull?? You guessed it a 2 part glue. The gun automatically miked it just like these little tubs you can buy. Only ours was Two 55gallon Drums.
We did Laron,welcraft boats/parts. We did hatirus yahts
We did TONS of John Deer tracktor and those gator 6wheel things
We did Ingerson rand Tracktors etc.
Ever piece of Inner structure was glued to body parts. Most of the glued pieces had threded incerts that got hood hinges,etc...
Im not sayin its the BEST way but TONS of stuff out there use these bonding agents for major stuff and it works. and It fails also.
I worked for a Co. doing composit work. We built Welcraft boats, Everything from the hulls to decks etc... How do yo uthink we mated the complete top decks to the hull?? You guessed it a 2 part glue. The gun automatically miked it just like these little tubs you can buy. Only ours was Two 55gallon Drums.
We did Laron,welcraft boats/parts. We did hatirus yahts
We did TONS of John Deer tracktor and those gator 6wheel things
We did Ingerson rand Tracktors etc.
Ever piece of Inner structure was glued to body parts. Most of the glued pieces had threded incerts that got hood hinges,etc...
Im not sayin its the BEST way but TONS of stuff out there use these bonding agents for major stuff and it works. and It fails also.
05-15-2007, 01:28 PM
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Hoods, Door Panels - OK, but 3M says thereselves that it's for a Non-Structural part of the car. A full quarter qualifies as a very big structural part of the car. Granted, if your replacing a small portion of it such as in front of or behind the wheelwell it probably works fine.
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Re: glueing it on
sorry havent ben on a while and didnt mean to start a war. even so i didnt get some things i was worried about like the quater pannle being a structural part. but im not cuting the whole thing out. kinda like a third of it. another thing is the welders at school went to hell. and the body shop at my school could do it but i wouldnt get it back for a year, and it would have and inch of bondo on it. i really dont want to pay someone and arm and a leg to put it on for me and yes im willing to learn on my car so if a mess it up its not the end of the world (thats just for the ppl who will say if i dotn know what im doing take it to someone who does) oh and my auto teachers do everything so they would obviously be watching me and telling me what to do.
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Re: glueing it on
I use 3m bondo glue pretty much everyday. On a 1/4 pretty much the only place i use it is on the wheel opening. It seals it up really nice. If done right right the stuff is really really strong. But u have to make sure the panel fits just right.And have to use a ton of vice grips.
Check out this test this guy did with welds, glue and a spot welder. He hooked them up to a frame rack and on them the glue did not break
Check out this test this guy did with welds, glue and a spot welder. He hooked them up to a frame rack and on them the glue did not break
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That you probably shouldn't try to glue. IMO.
Just pay someone to weld it and don't worry about anything.
Just pay someone to weld it and don't worry about anything.
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Did the dent orginate from being hit on the side or is the dent from being hit from the rear? If its the rear, you really need to get it put on a frame machine to make sure it didn't warp the body.
That part of the 1/4 isn't as structually important as the area direcly above and in front of the wheel well, but it does add to the structual strength of the car. Heck saturns are all glued together, and a few rivits. If you are in a body shop program ask the teacher, he can make a better judgment than we can with a picture of how much you will be cutting off. A good tig welder can do it without warping the panel any more than a flanger would for a glue repair. But hay if the glue doesn't hold you are out of what a junkyard 1/4 and some time and some glue. I don't think I would rush out and put a 3k paint job over it. Personally I would weld it, or find another car without any damage.
That part of the 1/4 isn't as structually important as the area direcly above and in front of the wheel well, but it does add to the structual strength of the car. Heck saturns are all glued together, and a few rivits. If you are in a body shop program ask the teacher, he can make a better judgment than we can with a picture of how much you will be cutting off. A good tig welder can do it without warping the panel any more than a flanger would for a glue repair. But hay if the glue doesn't hold you are out of what a junkyard 1/4 and some time and some glue. I don't think I would rush out and put a 3k paint job over it. Personally I would weld it, or find another car without any damage.
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well its on and we ended up welding it on. its not he best but its not the worst either so i guess its just an experince for me ill post pics if anyone wants thanks for all the help
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