19doug90

Please dont flame this post im sure a lot of people think im but i think it would look freaking awesome.

was looking on e-bay and they sell them but im guessing it wouldnt work because the spoiler looks really curved

any thoughts on how i could accomplish this? im going to be taking a mig welding course soon so was thinking about possibly just making one that would fit my decklid.

all constructive comments/thoughts are welcome, i plan on using the car for solo1 and maybe road racing one day, i think it would be really neat to be able to play with the angle of the rear spoiler and see if it has any effect on the way the car handles

scribbles

I think it is a good idea, very similar to the hi-rise spoiler, but ajustable.

86camarokid

i don't think your crazy, that would look really cool imo, but i doubt that its gonna help a whole lot far as downforce wise, but i could be wrong

19doug90

well i would have to think in any medium-high speed cornering done on a solo1 course it would likely have some effect on rear downforce as youre approaching the turn.

does anyone have input as to how these things are actually constructed, all i can find to go by so far is pictures off the net, and from what it looks like the mounting bracket and the actual spoiler its self look welded together so i dont get how the adjustment bars work if its welded.

rgriffin_3

i have watched someone make a spoiler in a race shop i worked in. they trace the spoiler template on to aluminum. im not sure if they make the flange piece or not though. the supports keep it from flexing, since you can still get some play out of the spoiler.

GMan 3MT

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The one I saw on ebay like your first picture was $25... That's almost worth it even if it's not quite right. Your decklid does have a slight curve to it, I'ld go park next to a monte carlo and compare the shapes.

19doug90

lol thatd be sick if you wanted to do that

InfernalVortex

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Reminds me of something IS aw the other day.



I personally think that as far as styling goes on sports cars, utilitarian parts that appear to have a purpose always look cool, but these wings look kinda cool, but I just dont think I would do it. A nascar style spoiler has way too much drag compared to downforce, that's why all modern wings are elevated. NASCAR just makes their wings that way to slow the cars down, not make them faster.

So I woudlnt do it, but it is kind of an interesting look..

Mr.K

that'd look pretty clean if you can make or get one that fits, ive thought about something like that before but i saw the 5in spoiler hawks sells so im going with that, pretty cool idea though.

19doug90

*siiigh* i know deep down that youre right, i just thought it would be a lot of fun to be able to have an adjustable spoiler and play with it to see how it effects handling seeing as how i will be doing solo1 this summer.

That and i think it looks so obscenely cool. Realistically if its going to make me slower tho ill probably stay away from it.

GMan 3MT

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Umm... solo1 is now what soloII was, correct? If so, then (I'm assuming you're building a SM or ESP car) you won't be going fast enough to really worry about the drag in the first place. Jack up that spoiler nice and steep.

Remember, most people who say that "that spoiler is too steep and creates too much drag" are drag racers. The key is to make sure you balance out the front end.

19doug90

solo1 is timed events on real race tracks with basically your street driven vehicles. Im up in ontario so they hold races at shannonville, cayuga, mosport etc.

i guess thats true i think even at mosport it would probably jsut be on the test track, i doubt the full course, so i wont be hitting any tremendous speeds by any means.

I honestly dont have enough experience with spoilers to be able to comment on how this is going to effect rear downforce in cornering. The car has close to full suspension so sfc's, lca and lca relocation brackets, eibach pro kit, havent gotten around to purchasing a panhard rod yet but thatll be soon.

So i guess the more comments the merrier because if that spoiler could help my stability through a corner even just a little that would be awesome.

GMan 3MT

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Gotcha. I think I was thinking of the change when they dropped the "II" off of SoloII.

FWIW, the spoiler above on the TA is from Blaine Fabrication; I know he's on FRRAX.com

What I've found looking for ideas for my spoiler, most adjustable spoiler are like the one AB does with turnbuckles. I've also seen this one... directed towards circle track.
http://www.plastic-man.com/racecarprice.htm
It looks like it adjusts by a slotted hole on the sides/middle support.

fdcapt220@yahoo

it looks cool. i can not find a rear spoiler or the ground effects for my 85 Z-28 can any body help?

19doug90

ya i was starting to realize that you cant run a nascar style because youd have to run the adjusters through your tail lights, and the turnbuckles is a cool idea but im not sure if i have enough decklid on my camaro to work with, that firebird has twice the decklid space, think it might end up looking a tad rediculous on my car

DMitchell05

TO be honest, do what you would like to do. IT isn't anyone elses cars but yours. And if you go along with your own personal preference, you will be happy.


Who cars what anyone else thinks?

19doug90

im sorry im going to go on a bit of a rant here
i cant freaking stand when people post replys like this. First of all what in the world did you contribute by posting that besides adding a post to your totals. Second of all the whole point in a forum is to come and get other people opinions, thats the whole reason for making this post.

if anyone has other insights as to how to make it look good, and wether the function of the spoiler would actually hurt my lap times on a track keep em coming.

nikos89

Personally I think it would look pretty cool period!

Beyond that, I can only imagine that the spoiler even if welded in the center would be adjustable simply by putting a slight twist in it, they are designed to help hold the car in the corner I would figure. In other words the twist could help hold the back end, where as if it allowed 2 different complete angles I don't know if that would help any.. You would almost be adjusting the height of one side I would think more or less..

As for lap times on an auto-x course I don't think it would help too much at all with the corners, simply because you are going 2 different directions, therefore it would help one corner and hurt the next. As for a drag factor ya I can see that for sure. But it would make for a very stable rear end at high speeds if setup properly.

19doug90

well the spoiler for the msot part would be setup for neutral downforce. Im going to be using the car for solo1 which is timed racing on tracks near here like shannonville, mosport, cayuga (they have a road course) etc. so im wondering if on a track like that the rear downforce would help me, or if what i would lose in speed would make me slow enough overall that any cornering advantage would not be of help.

that trans am above is a road race car and i would think they wouldnt put that spoiler on unless it helped them.

Dale

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Someone on here made a front airdamn splitter and they said it helped alot on a roadrace course.

I dont think that would help much on a smaller solo2 course, but on a high speed roadrace I think it would.

I would look at getting some type of "piano" hinge made of maybe brass so it wouldnt rust.

nikos89

Well for that case, I know a lot of guys who road race you have wail tails on their 4th gens, same basic concept. So I would say it should help, especially when exiting corners, give you more grip to really get on it.

InfernalVortex

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You know man, just go for it, it should look awesome, downforce wont matter until you start going realy fast anyway.

19doug90

well so far the only idea that seems like it could work is the turnbuckles, have to get my car back from the shop before i can take a good look at my decklid, i dont think theres enough room on the back of the car that i could do that without it looking rediculous, any other sugestions are welcome

GMan 3MT

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My thought on the turnbuckles and the room to work wik and putting the spoiler as far back as possable... put the turnbuckles infront of the spoiler. Only issue would be spreading the load on the back of the spoiler where the end of turnbuckles bolt thru. Also a note on the spoiler on that TA, it has a rubber strip attacted to the spoiler at the bottom between the spoiler and decklid.

19doug90

thats definitly a good way of thinking outside the box

but i would have to think for the sake of having air flow effect the way the car handles, having the turnbuckles on the front would have some negative effects as to the consistency of the downforce on the rear