Phase I done, Phase II-interior almost done, and now Phase III-drivetrain (454 LSX!)
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Bored??? No.... More and more jealous??? YES! haha.
Ide like to do what you are doing to your interior one day. Strip it COMPLETELY, fix some rusty stuff, dynamat it, and put it back together with new hardware. Nice and tight and clean.
Justin
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Neil, which body harness (3rd or 4th gen) will you be using or are you getting a custom one made?
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Wow Neil, seems you are still working hard on the car as usual.
I shall be taking my car out of the body shop here soon again and will be posting some new pics hopefully.
I shall be taking my car out of the body shop here soon again and will be posting some new pics hopefully.
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Wiring is next on my list......this weekend I didn't quite get the dash in the car, I had to make some minor repairs and mods to the A/C ducting behind the dash. Now with those out of the way I can get the dash mounted permanently and begin the arduous task of figuiring out what wire goes where.
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
I will be using 90% of the 4th gen engine harness and the entire 4th gen dash harness. My plan is to have ASSC Racing make an adapter harness for the factory 4th gen engine harness to the BigStuff 3 computer harness.
Wiring is next on my list......this weekend I didn't quite get the dash in the car, I had to make some minor repairs and mods to the A/C ducting behind the dash. Now with those out of the way I can get the dash mounted permanently and begin the arduous task of figuiring out what wire goes where.
Wiring is next on my list......this weekend I didn't quite get the dash in the car, I had to make some minor repairs and mods to the A/C ducting behind the dash. Now with those out of the way I can get the dash mounted permanently and begin the arduous task of figuiring out what wire goes where.
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Ok, I know...more Dynamat! I am sure by now you are all sick of it and honestly I am ready for a change of scenery myself. So, here's the Dynapad layer I thought i'd show you before I put the dash in (hopefully tomorrow after work) and also pics of the A/C box installed.
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
lookin good, what kinda progress are you making on the motor?
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
What is the peice shown with this arrow Neil? Is that 4th gen or modified 3rd gen?
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Good question, I hope to have the motor in 2-3 weeks. I'll call the machine shop tomorrow to see what the status is.
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Ricco, that is a 4th gen piece. I'm gonna give it a shot, hopefully it works!
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Ricco, that is a 4th gen piece. I'm gonna give it a shot, hopefully it works!
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
One more thing, it maybe just the angle of the picture but it looks like the heater core's position is modified?? Are you planing on re-installing that big box cover thing that goes over and around the heater core? If so, does it not interfere with the passenger side airbag mounting bracket?
Cheers,
Richard.
Cheers,
Richard.
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
One more thing, it maybe just the angle of the picture but it looks like the heater core's position is modified?? Are you planing on re-installing that big box cover thing that goes over and around the heater core? If so, does it not interfere with the passenger side airbag mounting bracket?
Cheers,
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Cheers,
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
NOT THE SPEAKER WIRES!!!!!!
and i am dying for updates on the engine too!! so whens your closing date that you have in mind to have the car running and driving?!?!
and i am dying for updates on the engine too!! so whens your closing date that you have in mind to have the car running and driving?!?!
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
More pics of the dash in the car, with the final layer of thermal/sound barrier (this stuff is very light, bought it from Summit) and the carpet in.
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
looks awesome neil.can't wait to see this thing all together.
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Looking good...what are you going to do for door panels? Glad to see you are making progress!
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
~~~ Dude Neil suach a sweet ride....Soooo Jealous! Since i have joined this site my car seems to me like a pile of sh//. I feel lost on this website with my car. I am slowly doing her over, but what really messed me up with her was the hurricane KATRINA cra/. Hopefully my car will be half as nice as everyone elses car on here. My first 3rd gen was sweet I had help from my dad(his $$), I had a 67 427 out of a vette(scared the cra/ outta me when i was 17) Custom paint and exausht(5inch)headers. The reason I got rid of her was she wasnt what i really wanted. Now I have what I want and its a very slow process. Doing all the work myself is very rewarding though...anyway The car and build is a beauty man defintely keep us posted!!
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
what in the world did you need a 5" exhaust for ?
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Neil!! What going on....I usually just ready through the post and there has been nothing to read up on lately...Getting a little lonely here!
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Progress update: as you know the dash is in, still working on the wiring (alot of freakin' wires). So far, I have the rear tail lights and fuel pump wired, the factory stereo wires i've identified and i'll yank those since i'll be putting in much better speaker wire. What's confusing is that the '02 dash/body harness has alot of wires which go down the passenger side of the car and I have no idea what the hell they are for??? I have asked my buddy, Dennis to get me the schematics for an'02 so I can figure out what they are for. Anyone care to chime in? I have the Chilton's manual and it blows!
Last night I started cleaning up the doors, dropped the old window motor, cleaned the regulator (oh and that freakin' coiled spring popped off, I was lucky...that little bastard had some tension on it!). So, going to have to pull the regulator out and re-install the spring unless any of you guys have a better method?
The 454 LSX is built, now just waiting on the cam from Comp Cams so they can stab it in and spin it to make sure the rods clear. Heads are about 2-3 weeks out, I ordered a set of Allpro 6-bolt/cylinder LSW 12 degree heads. The 6-speed trans about 2-1/2 weeks away, having one built with a viper output shaft from T-56 Rebuilds, there website is www.sixspeedsinc.com in Houston. More than likely i'll be going with a Mcleod Twin disk clutch with a steel flywheel. We're getting there. I'll keep you all posted with more frequent updates, ok i'll try my best! Have a happy fourth of July and be safe!
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Wiring question for the '02 Camaro dash/body harness. In the attached pic, where does this section of wire go? I believe it goes in the engine compartment and the rectangular block (bottom of pic) mounts through the firewall to the similar block which is behind the dash on the driver side, just above the pedals. Am I correct in thinking this? Also, notice where I cut about 50,000 million wires (top right of photo), any ideas what was on the other end??? The camaro I removed the dash and harness from was pretty badly wrecked and I had no choice but to cut the wires at that point.
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Neil,
Could be wrong, but Im pretty sure those plugs are for the column. I think the blue one goes in with a black one that looks similar, and they kinda have to be plugged in together...
Cant remember where exactly that little block goes...but Im pretty sure it goes "through" the firewall at some point. As in its part of a block.
Justin
Could be wrong, but Im pretty sure those plugs are for the column. I think the blue one goes in with a black one that looks similar, and they kinda have to be plugged in together...
Cant remember where exactly that little block goes...but Im pretty sure it goes "through" the firewall at some point. As in its part of a block.
Justin
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
YOu dont need the springs on the window regulators both of mine dont have them and they work great
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Ok, the shortblock is assembled and I should have it next week! FINALLY!!!!
In the meantime, I gutted the passenger door...removed the window motor, regulator and window. Cleaned the tracks and regreased with new lithium grease. Dynamat'd the inside of the door skin and will use POR-15 on the bottom of the door (inside). Also had to JB Weld a few spider cracks on the inside of the door where the window motor and regulator are mounted.
In the meantime, I gutted the passenger door...removed the window motor, regulator and window. Cleaned the tracks and regreased with new lithium grease. Dynamat'd the inside of the door skin and will use POR-15 on the bottom of the door (inside). Also had to JB Weld a few spider cracks on the inside of the door where the window motor and regulator are mounted.
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Cant believe i havent come across this topic b4. All i have to say is WOW, and btw i hate you. lol now i want to do the same thing.
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
*whistles* damn man where do people like you find the time to learn how to do all this O_o And how do you find brand new parts for everything?!?! haha sweet job keep it up!
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
OMG, Holy Sh#t...where has this thread been hiding!
Neil, absolutely awesome work, I had no idea that 335 could be tucked in the back like that. I have to start reading the thread from the beginning now.
Neil, absolutely awesome work, I had no idea that 335 could be tucked in the back like that. I have to start reading the thread from the beginning now.
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Ok, I really can't say I have made alot of progress on the door panels, but I will share this with you. The 4th gen camaro door panels are a PITA and will not fit with any ease at all (far right pic). ALOT of modifications will have to be done to the door and the panel itself in my opinion.
The 4th gen T/A panels (left and middle), seem to fit better and will sit flush against the door once you remove all the plastic mounting hooks (I also removed those from the camaro panel). See the pics, the T/A panel is the one sitting almost flush. Though there will still be alot of modding to get the panel to fit prefectly as you all know.
The 4th gen T/A panels (left and middle), seem to fit better and will sit flush against the door once you remove all the plastic mounting hooks (I also removed those from the camaro panel). See the pics, the T/A panel is the one sitting almost flush. Though there will still be alot of modding to get the panel to fit prefectly as you all know.
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
One more pic of a full view of the 4th gen T/A door panel. I am thinking of cutting out the speaker and lower door pocket section and fiberglassing my own in. For now, I would love to just make this panel fit reasonably well and have the handle function properly. I'm getting anxious!
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Judging by what I see, it appears that the upper plastic "hanger", has a narrower slot for the sheetmetal, meaning the metal of the 4th gens, in thicker/deeper than a 3rd gen.
Maybe it can be Dremel'd out to allow the 3rd gen door to fit? Can the 3rd gen top be transplanted?
Maybe it can be Dremel'd out to allow the 3rd gen door to fit? Can the 3rd gen top be transplanted?
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Wiring question for the '02 Camaro dash/body harness. In the attached pic, where does this section of wire go? I believe it goes in the engine compartment and the rectangular block (bottom of pic) mounts through the firewall to the similar block which is behind the dash on the driver side, just above the pedals. Am I correct in thinking this? Also, notice where I cut about 50,000 million wires (top right of photo), any ideas what was on the other end??? The camaro I removed the dash and harness from was pretty badly wrecked and I had no choice but to cut the wires at that point.
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
What's the latest Neil? I think we are all getting eager to see more pics. Keep up the excellent work, it is very inspiring!
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Thanks man! Now, here are some more pics that should get your attention, pics of the LSX block. Without going into too much detail, the machine shop basically could not sell me the assembled shortblock due to contractual obligations with other shops. So, I kinda got hosed in this deal, instead of getting an assembled short block, they sent me a brand new, bare LSX block. Now I get to basically start over with machine shop and parts selection. I do have a shop in mind and I am thinking of going with a Lunati Pro Series Crankshaft, Lunati Pro Billet Rods and JE pistons. The Bore X Stroke will be 4.185 X 4.125, which will still provide 454 cu. in. I'll update you by mid week for the '2nd' timeline on short block completion.
For now, check out the LSX photos.........
For now, check out the LSX photos.........
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and some more......
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
Have a good weekend!
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I love it! Specifically designed for off-highway use? Yeah right! That'd be the first place I took it!
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Re: Phase I complete, now Phase II IROC restoration - on to the interior!
looking perfect, as usual Neil. keep it up mane! see if you can get a few days off work to wrench on the car, haha.
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T. Without going into too much detail, the machine shop basically could not sell me the assembled shortblock due to contractual obligations with other shops. So, I kinda got hosed in this deal, instead of getting an assembled short block, they sent me a brand new, bare LSX block.