First off, I like the dash. I wouldn't do it to my car, but it's unique and custom and overall looks nice.

I don't get why so many people talk crap about her car lol

So what if you don't like it or think it's r*ce.. take a chill pill jeez. If all you want to do is bash her car, go make a website about it or write it in your little diary, but leave it off of TGO.

I won't even comment on 3GO, but the link that redraif posted I did read, and it was.. ahem.. lets just say I won't visit that site anymore.

Everyone is here because they have an F-Body (or at least like them) and most of us have customizations done to ours in one way or another. If you don't like someone elses, keep your opinions to yourself, afterall you wouldn't like someone calling your car r*ce or similiar, would you?

Seriously chill out people.

And I like your car redraif, wouldn't make mine look like it, but it's unique and custom.

 

Actually, I believe the Aero Spoiler is mainly meant to provide stability at speeds over 120mph. I don't think it does much, if anything at high way speeds. I don't even think the drag from the aerospoiler is having a measurable impact on gas mileage. However, its been proven before. The Thirdgen firebird/TransAm bodies are aerodynamicaly stable at speeds in excess of 200mph. The first stock bodied car to break 300mph was the Kugel TransAm. Here is a picture of it. You can see that aside from tires, and a severe lowering its almost identicle to a stock TA.


Read more about the Kugel Trans Am

 

Then why post pictures, if you don't want opinions, don't post pictures. Oh yeah- I posted the link, thanks!

 

Well there are plenty of places I know of that can make chip. My exact words: "There is not a shop around here with any experience burning chips for this combo either. We have had to go out on our own with trial and errors." Point to notice: "EXPERIENCE BURNING CHIPS FOR THIS COMBO"

In my understanding...There are plenty of places that will put you on a dyno and figure it out, but none have a 2.8/3.4 base program to build off of, let alone a modified program. See with V-8 cars they can get pretty close when you say I have this and that mod, because someone else has come along with a similar mods. They will first program this modified baseline and tweak from there. Saves much time and $. But in my case there are no modified baseline to go by so the cost would be considerable and alot of guess work would go into it. And considering I'm not done with the engine mods, it does not make sence to invest all that money to have the chip be useless in the next few months. I want to get the planned mods done then go for the chip.

But I did have a guy attempt a custom chip for me. The baseline he had did not match mine and he had major issues trying to get the combo right. The car would barely run and kept stalling. The car was modified so far beyond any of his existing programs...

Well I did no DASH PAD modifications, but the dash mods you are refering to is not what I am having issues with as far as replies. The fact is that some of you are going on about things that have nothing to do with the dash. This is MY whole point.

 

Well for the umpteenth time...I would not have issues if the opinions were on topic! Wow its like beating a dead horse. I keep saying this over and over and you all keep responding don't ask if you don't want to hear th opinions...pay attention to the words I am typing, Please!

 

As you can see, I have deleted some posts and did some editing on others.

If you can not behave like adults, please leave this site. You are free to post your opinion, but the rest of the BS needs to be left out.

I will continue to delete and edit as needed. If further action is necessary, I will ban those who ask for it. Consider this a warning.

 

The thread is about a dash panel, not what anyone thinks about any other part of the car. Like it? Great. Don't like it? That's fine too. Neither of us care if everyone likes/dislikes the car. I can look at ANY car on this site and find at least 10 things I don't like, whether its a modification (or lack thereof), poor workmanship, lack of cleanliness/attention to detail, or dismal performance. People are entitled to their opinion, but I don't think they are entitled to hijack a thread and bash on the car/owner/other mods at their whim. Its not just rude and uncalled for, its cowardly. Lots of people have gone as far as to threaten to vandalize the car on message boards, but none of them have had the cajones to say or do anything in person. They're just a bunch of p*ssies, beating up on a girl while they sit behind a computer in mommie's basement.
Its funny to me, though, that most of the guys criticizing the car for being slow (ALL regular production thirdgens were slow stock, even by 80s standards, save for the Turbo TA...why do you think they were called "turdgens"?) drive cars with 305s and automatics. That is the DEFINITION of slow. Yeah, Redraif's car is slow...to me anything less than 12s in a street car is...but so are the cars of most of the critics. But thats ok...its their car.
Besides, she doesn't have anything to prove to anyone about the power of her car...its a V6 for christsake. It was built as a daily driven showcar, under a strict budget, not as a drag car. For what it is, it has done very well. It has placed both times at the TA Nats (1st and 2nd), three times at the Southern Trans Am Regionals (1st twice, one 2nd), three times at Super Chevy (1st twice, one 2nd), and 1st at the World of Wheels. Its been featured in a book (Marc Cranswick's Firebird:The Autobiography), and soon will be in a major Pontiac magazine (the feature article has already been written). Pretty good for a girl with a V6, base model Firebird, who did nearly everything herself.

 

https://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/sho...hreadid=257458

There are some pictures of my car...


My posts were deleted even though I thought they were tactfully done...

If her car can be critiqued than so can mine... I say go ahead and let me have it. In fact I'm asking you to...

As for her being a girl and doing the work herself... that had nothing to do with whats been posted on this page. What I was traying to say both here and on 3GO was that she built the car her way which she should be congradulated on, Hell I get made fun of for building a Berlilnetta don't it don't bother me. Being different is what makes this hobby great and leads to the evolution of the sport. Ricers are the same way... people build their car for the reaction they get when people see it. Her car is one that noone can forget because it is so different. It stands out and therefore... Mission accomplished...

For someone to call me immature for stating my opinions then that tells me all I need to know about them. I will be honest I don't care for the looks of it and there are things I would change. In fact I can name about four things Id change and I'd bet it'd be for the better and she'd win even more shows.


Now go ahead and bash my Berly because I'd seriously like to know from you "Experts" how it rates and tonight when I get home I'll post more of the interior and the engine just to be fair.


Whats good for the goose is good for the gander...

 

hitler did the same thing

 

Since I am not Hitler, I will just say that what I did was for the good of the board.

And remember, mod bashing is not allowed on this site. I suggest you read the stickies at the top of every board. Also, read the board rules carefully so you dont fall into the wrong group.

Thank you............please drive through.

 

I guess you just prove you are above the interenet tough guy stuff??


I have judged a car show and I know it does not take taste to win but attention to detail to win.(something that car has a lot of) Someone else fired off a comment YOU spoke up and I presented you with my opinion. I WILL tell you the car is way overdone in person as well as online.

You know my car is not the fastest on the board but it is coming along nicely and is also my daily driver. I have more important things to attend to than making my car run 12's.

 

i never bashed anyone. i just know alot about hitler becasue i watch the history channel

 

Yay for censorship and the destruction of free will!! :hail:
This website is a great source of technical information.
I'm a little bummed to see that when people express their opinions they can be shut down with such a cavalier attitude.

Basically - " If you don't like it - TOO BAD! I'll ban you from the site!!"

 

Nice attitude.

 

It's not censorship, it is keeping a thread on topic. People think that they can post whatever they want. There are rules against that. TGO is a tech-only site, and the best on the net for third gens. We have not become as great as we are without following rules.

What you didn't see was someone posting "Ban me if you want, but your car looks like s**t!" Not to mention "I dont care what the mods think, that car is the biggest ric*r on the net." The comments that I edited out were just people being straight-up rude, not constructive whatsoever. I wont stand for it. Being as I am a mod of this board, I can, and will, ban people for not obeying the rules.

Any more questions, PM me. Please don't post them here.

 

love the new paint, raif.

looks great.

 

Why does everyone feel the need to flame on here? As for those of you stating dont post pictures if you dont want opinions - There is a big difference between stating your opinion and simply bashing someone for your difference in tastes. Most of you saying stuff arent even relating it to the topic at hand... grow up, seriously!

The Raif isn't supposed to suit everyone, she made the car for her and did a damn good job doing it so I have nothing but upmost respect for it... I dont see how people cant respect someone else art without getting out of line, if its not your cup of tea dont drink it. An Joe and Shannon are both real nice people so leave em alone!

Your dash is lookin good! Id love to see the contrast of it with a few other smaller dash pieces smoothed and painted.

 

The point is, this site isn't about bashing other people. period. Nobody has the right to tell anybody else how to build their car. You don't have to like it, or kiss anyone's butt when you don't. Most on this site, myself and Redraif included, don't get offended because something isn't liked by everyone. Nothing apart from the norm ever is. We're not doing chalk mark and date code restorations here, most of us are making the cars our own. There is no "right" or "wrong" way for a car to look, just peoples opinions. There are things on Redraif's car I would change, IMHO for the better, but she might disagree. Funny thing is, we get far more positive comments on even the more controversial mods than negative.
Most of the comments made on 3GO about the car and Shannon personally though aren't even worth addressing there. To hate her and her car so much, it sure seems to occupy a lot of their time. Not only does it show the immaturity of the average member, but also their complete lack of reading comprehension and understanding of anything mechanical. Maybe they should spend more time on the wonderful tech forums of 3GO its members always brag about...or better yet, the forums here. Then they would know basic things like why stall speed is matched to the cam specs, why a 3.4 swap makes sense in a 2.8 car, or why it makes sense to rebuild 20 year old brake components before you use them on a car you care about. Under the constraints of the buildup of her car (daily driver, emissions testing, and a limited budget), mechanically its a complete success. Want to know why something was done? Ask. There is a reason for all of it, and unlike most buildups, we have documented it all...good and bad.


***MOD EDIT***

Please refrain from posting such comments. I will not tolerate any open threats.

 

wait wait wait, you mods will delete posts against a car but won't threatening a human life? interesting.......

 

Just saw the post. Sorry, but most mods have to work. I can not access this site from work due to firewalls.

I have edited the posts and taken the matter up via PM's.

Shannon,

Sorry, but I am closing this thread.