Air_Adam

Hey,

Anyone know of somewere I could take a look at a lightweight rear hatch glass... like lexan or something?

nolanr0413

jegs sells them , they are not a pop out glass pop in lexan deal , they are an inch bigger all around so they have to be trimmed.

Air_Adam

Got a link to it, anyone?

85SportCoupeto89RS

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...71&prmenbr=361

scroll down for a complete set or individual windows.

The rear hatch over cut "speedglass" PN: 760-01136-2 costs 379.99

Trimed PN: 760-8-01137-22 costs 489.99

RMK

This is something I've been thinking about also. Has anyone actually seen the fit and finish of one of these? Can the rear hatch still be opened?

Thanks

Robert

CrazyHawaiian

Wow I didnt know about that product. I'm very very interested in ordering a complete set for my project roadrace/drift car. I've sent them (Perry's) an email asking about our 3rd gen Camaro application. I'll let you guys know what they say. Basically I just asked how they recommend I install the kit. From the looks of the example car it looks like a flush install that will retain stock functionality, meaning the hatch still opens, wipers still work without scratching, and maybe even power windows would still work (LOL I'm not planning on doing that though). I'll get an answer from them and let you guys know.

300hpse

iTrader: (2)

you could almost go factory notch for that price

19doug90

FYI ive heard random stories about people having serious traction problems when removing all that weight from the rear.

RMK

Anyone know how much that rear glass weighs?


CrazyHawaiian,

Looking forward to hearing their reply.

onebinky

iTrader: (1)

57 pounds without the rear deck installed. The rear deck probably adds another 20-30 pounds. You wouldn't think so, but that little piece of metal adds some weight

EDIT: The hatch glass also adds structural integrity to the car, so I wouldn't do the lexan thing unless you have SFC's installed.

Also, if it's a race only type thing, you could use light metal structuring, and lay a fiberglass shell over it, and then put that in place of the rear deck. That should be good for another 15 pounds shaved off.

RMK

What ever happened with this? Crazy, did you ever hear anything?

CrazyHawaiian

Yeah sorry about not updating the thread earlier (in the middle of moving, no internet access). Here is the reply from Percy's when asked about a pre-cut full kit for 82-92 Camaro's:

Shawn,

Thank you for your interest in our products. Probably most horror stories you heard about lexan is that it scratches easily and you can not get it near chemicals. Our product was developed just for that reason. We actually contract to GE (the makers of Lexan) because we have developed a product that is highly chemical and scratch resistant wile keeping very high optics. We defiantly suggest that all windows be fastened in with nuts and bolts although there are allot of people using factory install methods. We can save you about 70% of your factory glass weight. We do not recommend our install kit for Camaros because of the thickness of your window frame. Our bolts are not long enough. Please contact me if you have any other questions.

Percy's High Performance

So for our cars they say you will drop 70% of the glass weight (windshield, side windows, rear hatch). I dont know how much all these stock pieces weigh, so not sure on the definate weight savings. But I am pretty happy that he says other users installed them with factory methods which makes the install look alot cleaner (good for a race car that see's the street sometimes!). The only question he didnt answer was if they would work with power windows, most likely because I told him I plan to gut my doors.

Jegs price is $700 for the complete pre-cut kit. When I am finished modding my chassis I am seriously thinking about getting this kit. But I'll want to weigh my car first ...

CrazyHawaiian

Here's a pic of a 3rd gen (and owner I'm assuming) that installed the Speed Glass using the factory install methods. Notice the clean install that looks completely stock!!

Click Here

onebinky

iTrader: (1)

That install looks really clean. I wonder if the lexan protected by there coating will still haze and fade over time?

GTA4ME

Make sure you have plenty of suspension upgrades before making your rear lighter. I can feel the difference between my 88 GTA Notchback and my wife's 91 Bird. I can spin the tires all day, so I'm working on my suspension right now.

badandy247

where's blue502 i belive he's done this along with a speedglass windshield on his car

if it wasn't him it was a car very similar to his

jcurrieirocz

I dont delive this statement is tru at all.....1st the hatch has only 3 mounting points the latch the 2 hinges...there is about 1 1/2 of slop at the latch back and forth so in no way i belive that the hatch can add any real structual integrity at all!
second a stb will only tie the 2 strut towers together in the front of the car...not affecting the rear in any way. Plus unless we had indpedent rear suspesion then a rear stb would be a good idea...but in our cars its very unnessesary.

and to everyone else who is resurching the lexan hatch and windshield i found one guy here that has done it,,,he also was able to fad up a glass deck lid on his hatch........he shows good pics and stuff too
http://members.cardomain.com/u8win_n

300hpse

iTrader: (2)

where or how did he get lexan in the shape of the hatch glass? He only talks about trimming and installing it.

RMK

Thanks for the update Shawn I'm interested on what the difference on handling would be with the reduced weight on the back.

I'm guessing that the cardomain site install required trimming as he didn't get the pre-cut window.

Robert

jcurrieirocz

are you talking about the guy with the cardomain page;;; i found this on his page 2
"I ACTUALLY PURCHASED A PRE-MOLDED HARWOOD LEXAN HATCH DESIGNED FOR THIRD GEN DRAG CARS BUT OVER-SIZED AND USUALLY INSTALLED BY JUST SCREWING IT TO THE OUTSIDE OF THE HATCH AREA ( i.e. IT DOESN'T OPERATE NOR DOES IT LOOK LIKE A NORMAL HATCH ) WELL...THAT LOOK WOULDN'T WORK ON A CAR LIKE MINE, SOOOO I MEASURED OUT THE DIMENSIONS OF MY ORIGINAL GLASS HATCH AND SABRE SAWED THE LEXAN HATCH TO SIZE. LONG STORY SHORT...IT LOOKS AND OPERATES JUST LIKE A STOCK GLASS HATCH BUT WEIGHS ONLY 20 LBS!!!"

sorry bout the caps guys like i said it was copy and pasted from his page.

onebinky

iTrader: (1)

sorry, meant subframe connectors (sfc's), not stb (strut tower brace) My bad

jcurrieirocz

ohh ok ummmm even still i still dont delive a hatch will offer any structual support.

MrDude_1

it adds about as much support as the hood does... inotherwords, none.


oh and for the "cant hook for the loss of wieght comment" thats pretty damn stupid.


first off, i hook fine, and i have a convertible.
2nd, same thing for the notchback cars.
3rd, loosing weight is good... you shouldnt be adding weight to the car to get it too hook... unless you're on snow or somthing... but thats just fuggin stupid. obviously, a car that you're trying to loose weight on shouldnt be driven in the snow.


its a big heavy piece of glass loosly attached to the rear of the car. its not like hes removing anything structural or needed....

89 Iroc Z

Summit has it too in there new magizine in the "new products" section

Rear window
Windshields and windshield/Window kit
Speedglass Windshield/Window kit
Standard Uncoated Lexan complete kit

rjmcgee

#1, What does that vert weigh on just the rear axle? I bet it's everybit as heavy if not heavier than a hard top car. Plus you have an LO3, weight has no effect on your ability to hook, it's a lack of power.
#2, Whats one of those notchback hatches weigh? I bet they're not light.
#3, If you remove alot of weight from the rear of the car it will have less traction. You will not be able to get very good weight transfer if the *** end is light and the nose is still heavy.

GTA4ME

By the way, the notchback is atleast 50% lighter than the stock glass hatch.

rjmcgee

Damn, I missed on that one.

How would one of those things look on a Camaro?

GTA4ME

I don't know, but it looks sweeeeeeeet on my car!!!

CrazyHawaiian

Well I dont care about off the line traction. You drag racing guys gotta worry about that, not me hehehe. I'm building my car for roadracing and drifting. I'm aiming for an even 50/50 weight distribution (50/50 corner weight too) and a sub 3000 pound total weight with 50% fuel (but not driver). A guy down at the track has the corner weight weighing machine setup that I can use for $10 to help me dial this in. The notchback is another good weight saving alternative, but I think they are quite expensive (Hawks price is $649.00, but you might be able to find one cheaper used off ebay, not sure). For $50 more than the cost of a new notchback, you could convert all your windows to Speed Glass. For the strength thing, it would depend on the state of the chassis. If the car was stock with not even SFC's then maybe it might make a small difference, but nothing that would cause the car to become unstable. A a car that is modified enough to justify the cost of replacing all the windows for weight savings probably has a rollcage. In this case the strength of the chassis is tied into the rollcage, not the unibody. This would apply for both roadrace and drag cars.

25THRSS

If you are going for a 50/50 weight distribution then do not remove the glass hatch. Thirdgen's are already nose heavy and you don't wanna take weight off the rear. Concentrate more on the front of the car.

chrissy

What is the stock percentage of weight in thirdgen's at front / rear? Just how front heavy are they? ? 65/35. Anyone measured theirs?

GTA4ME

Look at the sticker on the inside of your driver's side door.

CrazyHawaiian

I haven't put my car on the scale yet, so I dont know for sure, but I think the weight distribution is around 58/42. A light weight hatch is definately not the first mod I plan to do. I will start at the front of my car and work back, weighing it on the scale after making big changes. But I have a feeling that in order for me to reach my overall weight goal, the hatch glass will need to be replaced with something lighter. It will all depend on how much weight I can drop from the front. Keep in mind now, this is a track only car that doesn't have any windows, no interior, not even a regular front clip (dirt track front end).

lonsal

iTrader: (2)

My 88 Formula 5.0 weighed 1600# rear and 2000# front (both weights taken with 210# driver (not me) and 1/3rd tank of gas). I noticed the smog check station had a scale built into the dyno, so I asked if we could get the front and rear weight readings. Their equipment wasn't very accurate, it would jump 5# easily at rest.

A GTA notchback isn't light. It weighs 88 lbs.

Lon

confucius101

so what ever happened to this guy's?????
and does anyone know if this would be street legal?????

RSFreak

I don't think it was Lance, there is another blue Camaro with white stripes that has Speedglass. I just saw the thread yesterday...

FSTFBDY

iTrader: (33)

This is the blue car with LEXAN windows

http://www.cardomain.com/id/u8win_n link was posted above also.


Im thinking of doing the PERCY Speed Glass setup when I et back from FL. myself. Lighter is better in any situation. If you have the right Suspention setup it shouldnt matter.