View Poll Results: Which F-body is the UGLIEST?
1st Gen 67-69
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2nd Gen 70 1/2 to 73
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2nd Gen 74-81
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109
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3rd Gen 82-84
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35
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3rd Gen 85-90
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5
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3rd Gen 91-92
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4th Gen 93-97
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128
30.12%
4th Gen Camaro 1998-2002
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55
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4th Gen Firebird 1998-2002
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5th Gen
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48
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which gen is the "ugliest" f-body?
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
chevydrvr, the mustang and challenger aren't exempt and they're not nearly as ugly.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
I don't see how it is ugly, but hey...that's your opinion. It was designed off the 69 camaro. Was that one ugly too? It's funny how everybody at the 5th gen sites think 3rd gens are ugly. And vise-versa.
They did what they could. Of course they could have done more but since when does anybody realize that and do EVERY thing they can.
They did what they could. Of course they could have done more but since when does anybody realize that and do EVERY thing they can.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
They took a cool looking car from the 60's and crapped all over it and called it a new and improved look. The 'vette is a nice looking slim sports car. The nose of the 5th gen looks like it was rammed into a wall.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
the blind spots on the 5th gen kill it for me.
thats why i love driving 3rd gens the most, that huge hatch window, i can see EVERYTHING. and i know right where the end of my car is for backing up and such
and one more thing they did right with the 4th gens is that nice interior
thats why i love driving 3rd gens the most, that huge hatch window, i can see EVERYTHING. and i know right where the end of my car is for backing up and such
and one more thing they did right with the 4th gens is that nice interior
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
Are you driving the same car that I am? I can't stand the blind spots in the gta. I have to almost swing my head out the window to tell if a car is on the side of me, not to mention the tiny side mirror.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
I'm going to really rock the boat here. I've read this entire thread and I am suprised at all of the 4th and 5th gen hate. Here is how I would rate them.
1. 5th
2. 4th
3. 3rd
4. 1st
5. 2nd
I've currently own a 3rd and 5th and used to drive a '96 V6 with T-tops. Hope to buy a 4th SS in the next 5 years or so. My dad has a '67 vert that might be mine someday. Like most, my pick of 2nd gens would be a '70 or '71.
Looks are important, and the '83 is beautiful. My 305 has been cammed, has a full aftermarket exhaust, K&N and a few other things and is still a dog. The '10 SS is a rocket! Of course, I like the looks of the 5th gen the best of all Camaro's so far too, but it is hands down the funnest to drive of the 3 I currently have access to.
1. 5th
2. 4th
3. 3rd
4. 1st
5. 2nd
I've currently own a 3rd and 5th and used to drive a '96 V6 with T-tops. Hope to buy a 4th SS in the next 5 years or so. My dad has a '67 vert that might be mine someday. Like most, my pick of 2nd gens would be a '70 or '71.
Looks are important, and the '83 is beautiful. My 305 has been cammed, has a full aftermarket exhaust, K&N and a few other things and is still a dog. The '10 SS is a rocket! Of course, I like the looks of the 5th gen the best of all Camaro's so far too, but it is hands down the funnest to drive of the 3 I currently have access to.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
I have only read through a couple of replies so not sure if im repeating anyone, but I think 3rd gens get this comment bc of the boxy/straightedge styling vs other generations.
I love the styling and uniquness!!! Give it some time, the more years go by, the more curvy cars get, the more unique thirdgens will be and then may be prized like a 69 camaro (If that makes any sense lol)
I love the styling and uniquness!!! Give it some time, the more years go by, the more curvy cars get, the more unique thirdgens will be and then may be prized like a 69 camaro (If that makes any sense lol)
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Looks are important, and the '83 is beautiful. My 305 has been cammed, has a full aftermarket exhaust, K&N and a few other things and is still a dog. The '10 SS is a rocket! Of course, I like the looks of the 5th gen the best of all Camaro's so far too, but it is hands down the funnest to drive of the 3 I currently have access to.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
To these people who say that they don't like the 5th gen because it's too big and too heavy...well it couldn't really be avoided that much. They had to compromise with modern comforts for every driver in today's age and that along with all of the federal requirements, it adds up. I mean compare it to the concept 5th gen. It's slimmed down a little. Who knows...there is speculation and i guess it was confirmed that a z28 will be coming out within the next couple years...that will most likely weigh less. And then after that the 6th gen is going to be based off of a new smaller base. We'll see.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
i swing my head in almost every vehicle so its second nature to me. but comparing the windshield/ hatch window from 4th to 3rd gen, i think 3rd gen is a lot better
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
It's ugly cauz it aint gotta HeMi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not actualy ugly your eyes are just out of calibration.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
In my opinion, the 3rds are by far the most attractive third gens. I've owned 5 third gens (have 3 now), and 1 fourth gen. I love my 4th gen for the powetrain, comfort and build quality that is vastly superior to 3rd gens. That's it, though. The style of the 3rds, along with the fact that so many are unique with the vast variety of trim/engines/color schemes available, make them preferred to me.
With the advent of option packages, most 4th gens are packaged pretty much the same. Choose leather or cloth, t-tops or no, and that's about it. With third gens, there's uniquneness in my own garage. My 86 TA has a power seat..the other 2 don't...yet the '91 RS has leather. But, the TA doesn't have a power trunk release while the other 2 do...that's just the start of it.
I don't think 4th gens are ugly by any stretch, but the thirds are better IMO...
With the advent of option packages, most 4th gens are packaged pretty much the same. Choose leather or cloth, t-tops or no, and that's about it. With third gens, there's uniquneness in my own garage. My 86 TA has a power seat..the other 2 don't...yet the '91 RS has leather. But, the TA doesn't have a power trunk release while the other 2 do...that's just the start of it.
I don't think 4th gens are ugly by any stretch, but the thirds are better IMO...
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
i think iroc's expecially with there louvered hood would probaly attract the most attention to an young kid or younger guy because of their sharp angles and very supercar look, out of 1-5th gens.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
Aside from the fact that third gens are the best Fbody, I will list in no particular order my favorite looking Fbodies:
1> 86-90 Iroc (that's why I got one!) and convertible Iroc
2> 88 (and similar) GTA & Formula
3> TTA!
4> 71 Z28 (grows on you as you age)
5> 4th gen TA's can look good
Now back to the whole 3rd gen is best thing. These are the most versatile car of the bunch. They have a great mix of old and new that makes them suitable for any direction you want to go. Nicely accented with modern conveniences like AC, power windows, power antenna and cruise control, but freed from the stress of overloaded gadgetry such as GPS, automatic locks, satellite radio, and things that make decisions for you! Plus if you really want all of that, you can throw a 4th gen interior and wiring into it and have that.
Every time I get into my Iroc, forgetting that the turbo is there, it's like going back in time. I still have the cassette radio in it. I turn the key and starts up. I don't have to hold the brakes to go into gear. I can drive around with my lights off. I love it!
1> 86-90 Iroc (that's why I got one!) and convertible Iroc
2> 88 (and similar) GTA & Formula
3> TTA!
4> 71 Z28 (grows on you as you age)
5> 4th gen TA's can look good
Now back to the whole 3rd gen is best thing. These are the most versatile car of the bunch. They have a great mix of old and new that makes them suitable for any direction you want to go. Nicely accented with modern conveniences like AC, power windows, power antenna and cruise control, but freed from the stress of overloaded gadgetry such as GPS, automatic locks, satellite radio, and things that make decisions for you! Plus if you really want all of that, you can throw a 4th gen interior and wiring into it and have that.
Every time I get into my Iroc, forgetting that the turbo is there, it's like going back in time. I still have the cassette radio in it. I turn the key and starts up. I don't have to hold the brakes to go into gear. I can drive around with my lights off. I love it!
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
I love third gens. My favorite is the 91-92 Trans Am convertibles
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
I love them all, all generation all styling. I also love fords, dodge whatever it is I will love it if its tastefully done. My wife thinks i am crazy because i want so many different cars (I wish i could be like Jay Leno lol). This also goes for imports like I said before if its tastefully done i will like it.
But i am a child of the 80's so i grew up watching Knight Rider and of course the minute i had the chance to buy a 3rd gen trans am i jumped on it. I love the front end, the slots for the lights the beefy looking front bumper just everything. The camaro's are also sexy if i could afford to have two cars i would definitely own an iroc with t-tops.
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But i am a child of the 80's so i grew up watching Knight Rider and of course the minute i had the chance to buy a 3rd gen trans am i jumped on it. I love the front end, the slots for the lights the beefy looking front bumper just everything. The camaro's are also sexy if i could afford to have two cars i would definitely own an iroc with t-tops.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
A neighbor has a Yellow 5th gen and to be honest, its alright but not for me. I do like the front end of it though, it might be one of the best looking front ends. Its a nice car but not for me, call it blind but my 3rd gen Camaro has everything I will ever need and its simple. What else can you want.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
To these people who say that they don't like the 5th gen because it's too big and too heavy...well it couldn't really be avoided that much. They had to compromise with modern comforts for every driver in today's age and that along with all of the federal requirements, it adds up.
I don't have the actual design of the car, just how tall and fat it is. I've photoshopped the 2010 Camaro before just to see what it would look like slim, and I liked it. It's all in the designers. And seems 4x4 awkwardly ghetto wheeled cars are the cool thing anymore. Anyway, just my opinion. Everybody has them, some will agree, some will not.
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I dont get it either. I also have a 67 conv and when I came out with a third gen it was like coming out as gay....but now its all good and parts are plentiful. more for us
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
Sorry but I don't believe that at all. I don't care if the car is heavy, but it doesn't have to look heavy too. The only car that remains slim looking is the Corvette. Everything else on the road looks like a whale on wheels. The reason the Camaro is huge/SUV looking, is not because of modern comforts. It's because designers purposely designed it like that. Fat is the new beautiful, I guess. When I'm sitting next to a 2010 Camaro(or even Challenger) at a red light and have to look up to see the driver, that's sad.
I don't have the actual design of the car, just how tall and fat it is. I've photoshopped the 2010 Camaro before just to see what it would look like slim, and I liked it. It's all in the designers. And seems 4x4 awkwardly ghetto wheeled cars are the cool thing anymore. Anyway, just my opinion. Everybody has them, some will agree, some will not.
I don't have the actual design of the car, just how tall and fat it is. I've photoshopped the 2010 Camaro before just to see what it would look like slim, and I liked it. It's all in the designers. And seems 4x4 awkwardly ghetto wheeled cars are the cool thing anymore. Anyway, just my opinion. Everybody has them, some will agree, some will not.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
If you're not willing to look over each shoulder before changing lanes, you need to turn in your license. I can't tell you how tired I am of non-looking, texting, cell phone yakking, non-driving SOB's trying to creme into the side of my 5 years of hardwork, blood, sweat, and cash! ![my 2 cents](https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/images/smilies/twocents.gif)
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
OH come on! your being rediculous. WHat doyou want? To have them take the 69 camaro and change the vin to say its a 2010? Will that make you happy?
Just explain to me EXACTLY how it does not resemble the 1st gen.
Just explain to me EXACTLY how it does not resemble the 1st gen.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
its about twice the size. Thats my largest beef with the 5th gen. Its ****ing huge and has a rear seat thats more worthless that the rear seats in a 3rd/4th gen.
It does have similar lines, obviously modernized. but its so big....
It does have similar lines, obviously modernized. but its so big....
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
Yeah it's bigger, of course it it, so are almsot every car out there. That;s ebcasue of all the stuff the federal laws forcing into the cars. Think of the 1st gens and other early cars...what did they not have that modern cars of today do? Airbags? Crush zones? impact bars, mirrors and other things. IT all adds up. I mean look at the 06 silverado and look at the 07. It looks freaking enormous compared to the 06. Why? The government.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
Yeah it's bigger, of course it it, so are almsot every car out there. That;s ebcasue of all the stuff the federal laws forcing into the cars. Think of the 1st gens and other early cars...what did they not have that modern cars of today do? Airbags? Crush zones? impact bars, mirrors and other things. IT all adds up. I mean look at the 06 silverado and look at the 07. It looks freaking enormous compared to the 06. Why? The government.
they could have made is a little smaller. the car is growing on me though. I wouldnt mind having one of the 2012 z28's
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
Well to defend detroit somewhat you would have to look up at the drivers of 69 maro's n birds, and stangs n challangers too. Gen 3 forward F bodies have you practically laying down in the car by comparisson. I don't support the fat is fabulous philosophy, but it's nothing new. Compare the cars from the 20's and 30's to the "fat fendered" cars of the 40's. I grew up in a street rodders home as a kid thats why i know. History repeats there's only so much you can do to sheet metal sitting on 4 wheels and still be practical.
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I don't hate the 5th gen, it is growing on me. But I'll never say "Wow this is a beautiful design"
With that said I have a comparison picture of a 5th and a 1st gen overlapping each other. The picture should be fairly proportionately correct. The difference in 1st/5th gens specifations are:
Wheelbase: 108/112.3
Length: 186/190.4
Height: 51/54.2
![](http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1351/692010comp.jpg)
I also photoshopped the 5th gen to my liking. If the 5th gen looked more like this then I would be happy with it. Though I'm unsure if I made the front too small or something, but point is still the same. My photoshop has about the same proportions as the 69 but is definitely a modern looking car. I moved the front wheel back to match the 69s nicer wheelbase.
![](http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/8660/2010skinny.jpg)
I'll also link the the original picture incase anyone wants to see that as well: http://image.motortrend.com/f/102926...+side_view.jpg
Also the reason the new silverado is bigger, is because people like big trucks and suvs... so the designers are catering to those people. I guess they believe the same goes for cars.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
I also photoshopped the 5th gen to my liking. If the 5th gen looked more like this then I would be happy with it. Though I'm unsure if I made the front too small or something, but point is still the same. My photoshop has about the same proportions as the 69 but is definitely a modern looking car. I moved the front wheel back to match the 69s nicer wheelbase.
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se people. I guess they believe the same goes for cars.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
I also photoshopped the 5th gen to my liking. If the 5th gen looked more like this then I would be happy with it. Though I'm unsure if I made the front too small or something, but point is still the same. My photoshop has about the same proportions as the 69 but is definitely a modern looking car. I moved the front wheel back to match the 69s nicer wheelbase.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
Yeah to be honest it's not much different. I just slimmed it down a bit and moved the front wheel back. I don't mind the actual design of the 5th gen. I just didn't like the size and proportions of it. Hahaha you're right about the wheels, but I figured I'd just leave them alone. I personally don't like my wheels bigger than 17" though there are cars with some nice 18s, but not for me.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
They aren't. Late second gen Camaros are THE ugliest. They're oversized AMC Pacers. ![lol](https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/images/smilies/lol.gif)
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Look at that resemblance! They're practically the same car, which = ew.
My opinion is as follows:
1st Gen Camaro - Sexy.
1st Gen Firebirds - Sexy.
2nd Gen Camaros - The ugliest.
2nd Gen Firebirds - Meh, alright, kind of good looking.
3rd Gen Camaros - Pretty good looking for the era they're from.
3rd Gen Firebirds - Also pretty good looking.
4th Gen Camaros (LT1-era) - Ugly.
4th Gen Camaros (LS1-era) - A little better, but too plain looking. Just a boring design.
4th Gen Firebirds (LT1 & LS1) - Sexy.
Basically I love first gen Camaros, and fourth gen Firebirds.
5th Gen - Not an F-body, so I don't care!
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Look at that resemblance! They're practically the same car, which = ew.
My opinion is as follows:
1st Gen Camaro - Sexy.
1st Gen Firebirds - Sexy.
2nd Gen Camaros - The ugliest.
2nd Gen Firebirds - Meh, alright, kind of good looking.
3rd Gen Camaros - Pretty good looking for the era they're from.
3rd Gen Firebirds - Also pretty good looking.
4th Gen Camaros (LT1-era) - Ugly.
4th Gen Camaros (LS1-era) - A little better, but too plain looking. Just a boring design.
4th Gen Firebirds (LT1 & LS1) - Sexy.
Basically I love first gen Camaros, and fourth gen Firebirds.
5th Gen - Not an F-body, so I don't care!
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I think all generations have the good the bad and the ugly lol...they all resemble each other in one way or another 5th gen for example if a 1st gen and a 3rd gen had a baby it would be the 5th gen
. now the 2nd and 4th gens well they are both product of kissing cousins lol
...just my
I think all generations have the good the bad and the ugly lol...they all resemble each other in one way or another 5th gen for example if a 1st gen and a 3rd gen had a baby it would be the 5th gen
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
You are correct, can't argue with anything you said. You do have to look up at the drivers of a lot a 69s. However, those cars were made before the ground huggers of today lol. They sit higher and have more ground clearance. Whereas 5th gens do sit higher, AND are ground huggers... which means they look super fat. Also not saying it's a new idea, but I don't like any car before 64ish, because of the same reason.
I don't hate the 5th gen, it is growing on me. But I'll never say "Wow this is a beautiful design"
With that said I have a comparison picture of a 5th and a 1st gen overlapping each other. The picture should be fairly proportionately correct. The difference in 1st/5th gens specifations are:
Wheelbase: 108/112.3
Length: 186/190.4
Height: 51/54.2
Also the reason the new silverado is bigger, is because people like big trucks and suvs... so the designers are catering to those people. I guess they believe the same goes for cars.
I don't hate the 5th gen, it is growing on me. But I'll never say "Wow this is a beautiful design"
With that said I have a comparison picture of a 5th and a 1st gen overlapping each other. The picture should be fairly proportionately correct. The difference in 1st/5th gens specifations are:
Wheelbase: 108/112.3
Length: 186/190.4
Height: 51/54.2
Also the reason the new silverado is bigger, is because people like big trucks and suvs... so the designers are catering to those people. I guess they believe the same goes for cars.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
ok, i'll give up I know I was battling against opinions I wouldn't have never won anyway. it just bothers me that so many people think it's huge. If the 5th gen was small like jimmydavidson posted, it would like not look right. Maybe that's also why it's SO DAMN BIG. It's not even that big I think it's the perfect size and shape to fit in in the world. I saw one at a car show and I didn't say , wow this thing is huge! No, I just said wow! I love this thing.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
I love the 5 generation F-bodys even if I hate the 75 to 81 rear windows but my favorite are the 3rd gen because of their well balanced design. (the proportion are perfect) I disagree with the one who are thinking that's the ugliest f-body, for me the 3rd gen Trans am are the best looking cars ever build.
I think people don't like this generation because of the powerless engines that GM used on the 3rd gen while it is one of the best handling and aerodynamic f-body.
I think people don't like this generation because of the powerless engines that GM used on the 3rd gen while it is one of the best handling and aerodynamic f-body.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
98-02 WS6 Trans Ams give me half a chubb, but my '84 T/A with a WS6 hood gives me a full one.
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How doesn't it look like the first gens? You can clearly see it especially from a side view with the curves from the front to the door and the door back. That's only one of the similarities. They also have the rear quater panel "gills" or what ever you want to call them. The pointed grill with inset headlights. The only pic I could find of a first gent hat really showed the shape of teh body is a Z28/RS though.
You kind of miss the point there buddy. Everyone here knows what a first gen looks like. Everyone here also knows what a fifth gen looks like. It's obvious the fifth gen was inspired by the first gen, but I, like most people here, think the fifth gen is ugly, and the first gen is beautiful. The fifth is just bloated and squished up in strange directions. Its a basket of compromises for the sake of style and function in all the wrong ways.
The reason the fifth gen is so heavy has a lot to do with the Zeta-platform. It's just inherently heavy. Ford managed to get the new mustangs in the 3300 lb range just like our thirdgens. You can't blame creature comforts and modern safety standards when Ford has to deal with the same ones. The GTO was also incredibly heavy and it was a Zeta platform car too. Im sure it's a good platform, but weight isnt one of its strengths.
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Re: why are 3rd gens the "ugliest" f-body?
how about this for a "2010 camaro"
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