1991tealRSt-topGuy

well boyz,

i made up my mind


in about a month or so I am gonna be getting a 350 TPI/auto F-car

which one is the coolest?
what color is cool 2?


PS i'm gonna swap out the auto for a T56

Amrish

get a 1992 z28!!!

Just got mine before this past summer began. Personally, i think the 92 z28 is the best looking camaro ever made

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1992 z28 25th Anniversary
All black w/ z28 wing
Flowmaster Exhaust
350 TPI

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

I'd have to agree that the '91-'92 looks slick. However, they use a speed density air metering system and from stand point of tuning and modifying the engine you would want the mass air flow system from the earlier years. In my mind it comes down to the '89 or '90. Just depends which dash design you want. From a standpoint of value a '90 IROC will probably be worth the most in the long run because it was the last year of the IROC and had the updated dash.

lonsal

iTrader: (2)

FYI, the 90 Iroc is Speed Density also.

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90 RS Convertible
Owner: Top-Down Solutions
(626)369-0040

http://www.sc3gfb.org/members/lonsal.html
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IROCThe5.7L

Get a IROC. There not just any old z28. Not that there is anything wrong with a z28. ALL F-bodys are beautiful!

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1988 Jet Black IROC
5.7L W/ 64000 miles
Flowmaster Exhaust
Fully Loaded
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My IROC In Readers Rides
My IROC

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

I was wondering about that. Thanks for the info. Now the key for me is to not forget!

1991tealRSt-topGuy

cool guys,

i'm still gonnq keep my 1991 3.1 though


but i am trying to decide between an IROC and a 91/92 Z28

cuz i REALLY like IROCThe5.7L's IROC that thing is kick-a$$

but at the same time i like the lines of the 91.92's

i guess it will just come down to whatever i find

oh yeah, whats the engine code for the L98


i wanna make sure someone doesnt try to sell me a 305

ImportsRsloths

1991RS, I have an 88 iroc (jet black, ttops 5 speed 305 ) the eigth digit for a 350 on the vin is an "8" for L98* Now here is my opinion or your cars....... If i was you and had a choice, I would go speed density without even looking at MAF (EVEN MORE SO IF YOUR GONNA DO SERIOUS MODDING) I would either get a (in order from best to least)
91-92Z28-favorite camaros EVER MADE!!!
90 Trans AM- love the lines BAD @$$ (doesnt have the GAY ground effects of the 91 92's)
90 Iroc- Most recognized cars from the thirdgens, 90 is very rare for irocs and still has speed density iroc's kick *** .

If i were you id try and find a car that needs a new paint job and some other stuff like needs tires etc.... and then get a good deal on it......... Cuase you can use the money to get some sweet wheels and a paint job and you will then have an extremely sweet car!

91Zman

To help you decide

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Red 1991 Z/28 350TPI
1973 Camaro(project car)
John Soule' member of the GULFSOUTH FIREBIRD/CAMARO CLUB (NEW ORLEANS) and WORLDWIDE CAMARO ASSOCIATION

FlyinLow89

Actually speed density is better for modifying

MetalliCamaroRS

iTrader: (15)

I like the 91/92 Z28's as well. I'm still looking for a black one for sale around me, but they're not sold too often.

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1992 Camaro RS
5.0L TBI
Custom white-faced gauges
K&N Airfilter and ready to take on the world!
My 1992 RS



USA

Formula '91

ImportsRSloths: "90 Trans AM- love the lines BAD @$$ (doesnt have the GAY ground effects of the 91 92's)"

In that case, get a 91-92 Formula! Same bad @$$ looking lines, no gay ground effects!

soulbounder

Forumla'91, please do not call the 91/92 gfx gay. I have them on my 91 Firebird and happen to like them. It makes the car.

topduarte

iTrader: (8)

Here is my 92 z to possibly entice you toward the 91/92 z28's:



Manny

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92 Bright Red z28, 350, 47k miles, pw, pl, power mirrors, power drivers seat, rear defroster, limited slip performance axle, 4 wheel discs, red leather interior and the Heritage Package!!

un4givin89

Nothing says cool like all black. You've gotta get an camaro.

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un4givin89



1989 Camaro Ralley Sport, 305 TBI 5 Liter v8

Project List:
Crate 383 Engine
Flowmaster Exhaust
New Tires
Windows tinted
Interior swapped for two tone colors
Lowering Springs
Sound System

www.mikekey.net

Ions91Z28

My vote goes to 91-92 Zs


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91 Z28
Best Time Slip:
60' - 2.098
1/8 - 9.137 , MPH - 76.21
1/4 - 14.213, MPH - 97.55
Performace Mods: B&B Exhaust, few free mods.
Appearance Mods: SS wheels, 2.5" Cowl Hood... New 100% Black paint job, Clear Side Marker Lights
Stereo: Alpine 855, Infinity Kappas all around, Infinity 150x2 amp (POS), Infinity Perfect 10 in hatch.
Pictures are Here
ICQ: 1437212
AOL: normalmatt9

Roshambo

You do know that from 85-90 the Trans Am's and GTA had the same ground effects/lines right? The only real differences between the years was the wheels, and maybe the center mounted 3rd brake light on the earlier years.

My car is an 88, and it looks just like (line's wise) a 90. So, Im confused. Did you mean to type 91?

Also, Id say get a 91-92 Z28. Depending on your budget, it might be hard to find a L98 equipped 91/92. If you find the right one, and it has a 305/5 speed combo, think about maybe buying that, and then just dropping a beefed up L98 and T-56 in. It would be easier to do the tranny swap if its already a Manual car.

-Roshambo

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-Joe
1988 Pontiac Trans Am WS6 - 305 TPI, 700R4, 3.23 Posi, Digital Dash, Leather Seats, Maui Blue with Silver GFX, T-tops, Tinted Glass, Gutted MAF, TB Coolant Bypass, K&N Cone Filter, Hi Flo Cat, 3" exhaust from Y-pipe back, MSD Super Coil, Accel 8mm wires, L98 Aluminum Heads, Ported and Polished Plenum, Siamesed Intake, Aluminum Driveshaft, Edelbrock 3 point Strut Tower Brace

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

Not when looking at factory hardware. Better for modifying and ease to modify are two different issues. If you have the time and money to custom tune the car on the dyno every time you make a change then speed density is likely your ticket. But if you just want to plug and play with parts then MAF is the hot ticket. I also might point out that any time a speed density system is employed on a well modified car it's always an aftermarket programmable interface.

If you don't believe me then do a cam swap on your speed density car. It's a sure fire way to become a believer.

Bad Blk Z

Speed density is much faster. Chip cat back adn free mods an it runs 13's.

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91 Z-28 Coupe
L-98, 700-r4
Borla cat back
Performance Resource chip
Centerline wheels
K&N, Gutted air boxes
Gutted cats
Best Pass = 13.710 @100
Best 60' = 1.842
on M/T Sportsman Pros

Race Car:
S/P 91 Camaro Z/28
454 LS7 crate motor
Crane Roler cam
Dart intake
1000cfm TRC Carb
Powerglide
9" Ford rear
Goodyear 14"-32"-15"
Weld prostars
All steal except for hood and rear deck
Best ET: 9.64 @ 145
3000# with driver

Ions91Z28

In your sig... wouldn't that be steel?

RODS92Z

I know where you can get a 92 Z-28 w/350. Its about 17 miles north of where I live. Its red with black stripes, red leather, 90,000 miles on it. Factory heritage edition. Very nice car. Looks exactly like the one above. The dealer is asking 5500 for it. Would only be worth looking into if your willing to travel. Otherwise you can have mine for $9500 FIRM cash.

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1992 Camaro Z-28 custom 25th anniversary, 5.7 TPI auto, 2.73 posi, t-tops, arctic white with 92' medium mettalic gray stripes with black border stripe.

1967 Pontiac Catalina 2 door fastback, 400 v-8, auto, cameo white, dark red interior

Basett_Racing

You just said it

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82 Z28 383, Ported 215cc Dart Iron Eagle Heads 72 cc Comb. Chambers, Comp custom grind Hyd roller cam, Speed Pro .250" domes, Wheeler Motorsports 4340 I beam rods, Eagle 5140 steel crank, Weiand Team G intake, Holley 830 DP, hedman headers
Trans: Turbo 350 w/ 4000 stall -- Rearend 7.5 w/ Richmond 4.10's, Auburn Minispool
Best ET:11.60 @ 114.56, w/ a 7.34 1/8 @ 93.50, and a 1.622 60'


89 RS, L03 305, Hypertech Chip,cat delete, Dynomax exhaust,K&N open element Filter,160 stat, MSD coil --Trans:700R4 Corvette Servo -- Rearend: 7.5 GM 3.42 w/ posi-lock

Bassett Racing




[This message has been edited by Basett_Racing (edited September 15, 2001).]

soulbounder

Basett_Racing, the engine code for the L98 is "8", lol.

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

IROC-Z28's are the best.

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89 RS

STILL Looking For:
An 87 IROC-Z28 350 TPI

IROCThe5.7L

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1988 Jet Black IROC
5.7L W/ 64000 miles
Flowmaster Exhaust
Fully Loaded
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My IROC In Readers Rides
My IROC

ChevyKen

iTrader: (1)

Or simply:




Ken

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1986 IROC-Z Conv't
17x9.5 TT II's w/ 275/40x17's, BMR stb, Lakewood APR, Jamex 1.5" Lowering Springs
ChevyKen's Cars

Administrator @ ChevyWorld.net

ImportsRsloths

Roshambo The 90 trans am is better cause it is rarer and the main reason is because it has speed density...... and dont say maf adapts to mods better.... i figure if you can put spark plug in you can figure out how to burn a prom.

1991tealRSt-topGuy

well

in reality, what would be easier.......
getting a 305/T5 and building it up as a 383

or getting a 350/700R4 and swapping in a T56


i know the T5 isnt the strongest tranny
but i figure it can hold up for a few monthes while i get ready to put a T56 in


i want to get a 2nd car so i can travel back and forth to college.........my mom drives me nuts and she's the last person i would want driving me to school in the rare case my 1991 RS breaks down..........i'm going to be in REALLY good financial standing real soon.........so good that i was considering getting a 93 vette.............BUT......the Camaro is VERY QUICKLY becoming my absolute favorite car........and i LOVE vettes with all my heart...........so i figure i can snag a nice Z of some sorts for about $5000
and have surplus to start saving for my own home (cuz my parents are driving me NUTS!!!!!!) and have some pocket change to make the new Z a rocket!!!!!! altough from what i have heard, they are REALLY fast stock


i think i want a black camaro this time.........white is nice 2

i preferably want a car that DOES NOT need to be painted or needs body work

i want a perfect body


the mechanicals can be frigged up

i'd rather have that cuz i am going to school to become a GM tech (i get to change a camaro's U-joints on thursday!!!!! YIPPY!!!!!)

i just hate body work...........


basically 2, i want to make a flying banshee outta the Z and have my 91 RS as my daily driver

i dont think its foolish to get another camaro so soon

i mean they are gonna REAL collectible REAL soon

RyanSS

My vote goes for a 91-92 Z28. I agree, the best looking Camaro's made since 69.

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89 RS parts car

Daily driver 91 RS auto LO3 63k

New project- 89 Formula 350 WS6
383 or 400 to come!

mckenzie

hello all. i maybe wrong, but i thought you could do alot more mods to a maf system than a s-d system. the reason for this is the s-d system uses map...which goes off of engine vacuum. where the maf uses the amount of air going into the motor. if you start doing major changes which affect the motors vacuum, won't you run into some trouble with the map reading?... as for a iroc or z28, i owned a 91 z28 with a 350tpi, and i now own a 86 iroc with a 305tpi. i also have the chance to buy a 91 z28 now. parked the iroc and the z28 side by side...the iroc is the right choice for me...i like the louvers on the hood instead of the blisters. i also like the original iroc rims better...not to mention the ungodly spoiler on the 91-92 z28... not flaming anybodys opinion, just giving my own...best of luck on your choice, tom

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86 iroc 305tpi auto. mild cam

Calderone

Hey man no¡¡¡Get a 1982 Firebird Base with the 2.5 L4 thats the best choice ¡¡¡¡¡
: ) No man ...Choose a Cool Z Convertible and 350 ...you will be in love with your car GOOD LUCK ¡¡¡¡¡

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1982 Pontiac firebird s/e 2bbl..Club organizator in chile southamerica.https://www.thirdgen.org/rides/index.tgo?action=view&rideid=3280

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

Bad Blk Z,

Where did you get your LS7 crate motor from? Was that 9 second run all motor?

CrazyHawaiian

Hey RODS92Z, is that Z still there?? Do you happen to know the phone number?? thanks!!

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--- Current Daily Driver ---
Maroon 1989 Camaro RS - Crappy 305 TBI / Auto
Hypertech Stage 2 Chip (and 160/ThermoStat)
2.5" Pipes, No Cat, Flowmasters (Dual)
GT Grant Wheel, %5 Tint all around, 50% on windshield

--- Next Project ---
Maroon 1989 Camaro IROC-Z - 5.7ltr L98 / Auto

Custom Interior, 6 speed swap, engine internals, turbocharge, SCCA!!!!

Brad

Is there ANY other choice

Formula '91

That was a quote from someone else, i personally think they look great.

RODS92Z

Yeah its still there. Its a small dealer that has it. I bought mine from there. I will look up the phone number for you. The dealers name is K.O. Sales in Canby, MN. The guy tried screwing me on mine, but in the long run I ended up screwing him. But I do know for a fact that the car was driven by a lady, who drove it through my hometown on an occasion. It has 90,000 miles on the 350, casstte, red leather, tinted windows. All stock. He has been screwing with the price on it lately, but the last time I drove by it, it was 5500. The most i seen it listed at was 6900.

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1992 Camaro Z-28 custom 25th anniversary, 5.7 TPI auto, 2.73 posi, t-tops, arctic white with 92' medium mettalic gray stripes with black border stripe.

1967 Pontiac Catalina 2 door fastback, 400 v-8, auto, cameo white, dark red interior

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

Folks, we're all in agreement about speed density vs. mass air flow. You're on a high level of thought and I'm one level deeper. We're all saying the same thing.

abortedfetus

buy a honda, steal a jet engine, get out of the car and start it up, thats your best investment...

no really get an iroc, if i had the chance, i would get one, but i ended up falling in love with a RS(love=budget) and its an auto, so i wanna swap the tranny heh, oh yah, iroc's are way harder to come by, especially ones that people havnt smashed into solid objects...heh....good luck

chevyguy1969

iTrader: (7)

Its a tough choice, ive owned three 3rd Gen Camaros, 2 of which have been '88 IROC's. It all depends on what you like. Do you like the high rise spoiler or wrap around? Do you like the flat ground effects or scooped ones? The best thing (in my opinion)you can do is find a really clean UNMOLESTED 3rd Gen and make it the way you want it. Finding good clean 3rd gens are harder than finding a beat up one that LOOKS the way you want it. All the parts are readily availble to convert any 85-90 Camaro to a 91-92 Camaro and vise versa. One thing you do want to do is determine which gauge cluster style you like. Either the 85-89 full circle gauges or the 90-92 semi-circle gauges. These are a BIG PIA to change out so if you know which one you like, go with that car and change the rest to the way you want it. Just my 2 cents

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Poor college student(donations welcome)
1988 5.7L TPI IROC-Z Hardtop, 700R-4, White ext. w/Gold/Black accents (soon to be silver), Black Custom Deluxe int., 4-wheel discs & G92 pkg. Car is all stock and original.
Best run: 1/4 14.90 @ 92.7 MPH

#3 Gone but shall never be forgotten. Long live the legacy of the man in black. RIP Dale Earnhardt "The Intimidator"

Roshambo

Ok, your confusing man. Its "better" because it is "rarer"?

There really arent alot of "rare" 3rdgens. Rare IMHO is like a limited run car. But, hey, thats me.

-Roshambo

ImportsRsloths

Ok roshamby thats kind of annoying considering i posted like 3 times that for the "best" thirdgen, it would be on with speed density.

QwkTrip

iTrader: (22)

No please... do elaborate. I'd love to know how it's done. Don't leave out any of the nitty gritty details either.

Adapts to mods better... hmmm.... Maybe you can explain how my '94 Vette dynoed 420 RWHP on a bone stock computer without the aid of nitrous. Give me ONE example of a stock computer LT-1 speed density car getting that much power. Just one lousy example.

[This message has been edited by QwkTrip (edited September 18, 2001).]

Roshambo

LMFAO!! Go get em Qwktrip!

-Roshambo

Amrish

5500?? I guess i found the deal of a lifetime...

I bought my 1992 z28 for $5000. All stock with flowmasters exhaust, only 55,000 miles, stock bose stereo system, interior and exterior is good shape.

You just gotta look around, i found this in the smallest add in a newspaper, only one line saying "Camaro '92 z28, $5000"

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1992 z28 25th Anniversary
All black w/ z28 wing
Flowmaster Exhaust
350 TPI

RODS92Z

5500 is cheap where i live. 3rd gen camaros are pretty scarce around here, especially a 92. For a real nice 3rd gen around here you wont pick one up under 5000.

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1992 Camaro Z-28 custom 25th anniversary, 5.7 TPI auto, 2.73 posi, t-tops, arctic white with 92' medium mettalic gray stripes with black border stripe.

1967 Pontiac Catalina 2 door fastback, 400 v-8, auto, cameo white, dark red interior

3.1EyeCandy

iTrader: (3)

If you're truly stuck on getting that IROC or Z28, then definitely go MAF. It's much much harder to burn a prom (and more expensive) than to change sparkplugs. It's well worth the time and effort, but if you don't see yourself spending that much time back and forth from the car to computer to properly tune a s-d car...get the maf.

No one's said it, so I will. Go look at an 87 to 89 GTA. The 88 up have the serpentine belt system and the lines are killer on these cars. Around here T/As are alot more rare.

Good luck with it all.

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~3.1EyeCandy~
"The Car that started my craze"

'92 Firebird 3.1 (A car sold)

My new baby: '87 flame red GTA 350 w'auto, ported and polished plenum, custom cold-air intake w/K&N, 180* thermostat, Hooker SuperComp Exhaust, Splitfire plugs, Hypertech Airfoil,
Carmine interior with pioneer all around
My Cars

jonathan_badgett@yahoo.com

camaro6spd

come one now, the lowered black IROC is the best, come on, I know you all agreee.........

P.S. I was staring at my IROC yesterday, you know how it is, and after looking at it for a while i saw it like i never have seen a thirdge before, you you kind of let the lines gel together and look at if from the front to the back i saw a distinct Aeroplane like dynamics to it, the lowering just helped bring that out more, I dunno i can't really explain it but it just look to f'n awsome.

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1987 Black 305 TPI 5spd IROC, seems to be fully loaded, but can't find RPO codes.

AIM: SzkiRM125
F-bodies : The last with-standing defense against the Invasion.

[This message has been edited by camaro6spd (edited September 18, 2001).]

91z4me

I like the 91-92 z28's. That is why I own one. I also like black. I saw a 91 Z 350 with C&C ttops. If you get a 91-92 Z and you want t-tops you will have a very hard time finding one with the 350. Although I do think the irocs could get both t-tops and the 350.

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91 z-28 305 700R4
3.73 gears out back
T-Tops and Black all over.

1991tealRSt-topGuy

nooooooooooooo...........no t-tops this time

i have learned my lesson with them

just another part to replace cuz they are all scratched up...................

NufNuffZ28

iTrader: (10)

I have had 4 3rd gens ane my current one is a 1986 Iroc. Although I love my Iroc, I would go with an 87. It can have a 350 and no ugly high rise brakelight(I upgraded my hatch to a 91-92 style.)Also the 85-87 Iroc wheels are the best looking IMO. My good friend has a 1991 Z28 and not to start anything, but beside the Iroc, the 91-92 Z28's look gaudy. The wing is too tall, I dont personnaly like the hood blisters as much as the Irocs, and the wheels are flat(sort of like some S10 rims) Thanks for listening.

Chris

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1986 305 TPI
8.0 @88 in the 1/8
**Soon to be 355