Charged350

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ok so i have a 87 iroc...custom paint engine well everything...cept for my headlight's...stock..blah...yellow...blah...gay...anyway

i have two audi tt hid balasts and bulbs that i will wire in to my headlights, and i was wondering do i need to run any kind of relay or thicker wire since i was just going to splice them into the original wiring harness or do i have to do anything special...

and second since they are hid bulbs they have a differ end on them then a regular bulb so i was wondering if they make ligths for our cars that accept oem hid bulbs or am i gonna have to make sumthing for it...i dont mind making it custom but if i can just swap the light taht be easy...thanx for your help.

Stephen

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With the higher draw of HID lights, I would run new power supply wires to them. Better to do it once, than have to fix burnt wiring/over loaded circuits, an then STILL hafta run new power wires for a supply.

Iroctopless

I've seen conversions kits that run with stock wiring due to the HID's actually using less power than Halogen while running (35 to 40 watts @ 6amps for the HID vs 55 watts @ 10amps for Halogens), but need a large amount to initiate the arc (provided by a capacitor). The ballasts (usually one per bulb) you have will convert your car's 12VDC into the higher voltage AC needed to ignite the arc and run the bulbs.
Again, this is for aftermarket conversion kits, of which practically all state, "The HID system will draw less power from the vehicle's electrical system".

However, this is not an aftermarket conversion kit, it's an OEM kit from an Audi. Plus in addition to the ballasts & bulbs a relay is usually needed as well. And how the bulb would mount in the 3rd gen lens is a good question. Perhaps somebody here has done this or knows of a way to convert it. Also, aiming the new bulbs will be incredibly important. No sense in aiming 3 times the light where you don't need it or at other drivers.

Charged350

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arent our headlights hooked up to a relay sumwhere...even so i think im going to put a relay inline when i put the hid's in...i was just wondering if they make aftermarket square sealed beam style lamps that will accept an oem type hid bulb...

Charged350

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what kinda relay would i use anyone know?

pearl_iroc

i have a aftermarcket HID system on all four lights (high and low) and as Iroctopless stated u dont need a relay for this, the HID bulbs it self are 35watts compared to your hlaogen that draws at LEAST 55 watts, the only problem is turnig them on, if my car is off and i turn on my headlights only one will usuaually come on ,because it needs at least 12+ volts to work(create the arc), and thats also the point of the higest current draw which i beleive to be about 20 to 25 amps tops, i have been running my HIDs for a few months now with no problems and have a few frinds (stang and lude that are also doing so on there stock wiring systems with no proble) aiming theses lights is the biggest challenge

Iroctopless

That would be a nice upgrade. Look cool and for safety. The deer around here are crazy at twilight & morning!!!

Stephen

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I hate deer at twilight...

Charged350

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ok now i just need a housing that accepts hid bulbs, oem type bulbs...anyone have a clue?

Dewey316

What bulbs do you have? YOu also need a housing designed for the HIDs, chances are you will need to get the projector lens from the Audi or another car with projectors, and then make a housing with a clear plexy. The reflectors in our cars headlights won't work, as it will scatter the light really badly, you also don't want the flutted glass, as that also scatters light.

You will also need to make sure you have the cut-off sheild that goes with the HID projector, or reflector housing, otherwise you will blind oncoming traffic, and get TONS off attention from cops.

You get a plastic e-bay 4x6 H4 style housing, and cut the back off, and then build something to hold a projector housing for the HID's. If you have a reflector style HID bulb, I would guess you are pretty much SOL at doing it the right way, unless you have the original reflector.

Charged350

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they are stock audi tt bulbs...i can fab sumting up to hold the bulb in the plastic housing...what kinda bulb does the plastic housing hold...h4?

Iroctopless

Here is a good articles with some helpful advice . . .
http://www.gohid.com/information.php
http://www.aa1car.com/library/hid_headlamps.htm

I'd also be afraid of making any custom reflector or anything to hold the bulb due to the bulb's high temperature. They get darn hot (as high as 1500degF inside) and could melt it or cause a fire hazard.

Dewey316

There is more to using HID's than just making them fit, they use completely diffrent reflectors, or they use a projector lense. The bulb type will determin what type of housing it is meant to go into. You need to use the correct HID housing for the bulb you have. If you have a D1S bulb, you need a projector housing for it, if you have a D1R bulb, you need a reflector housing for a D1R. HID Bulbs can't just be stuffed into a H4/H1/H3 or whatever housing, it doesn't work that way. The lighting will be horrible, and you will have a TON of scatter, and blind on coming traffic, while not being able to see where you are going.

If you have a D1S bulb, then buy projector housing for it, then figure out how to fit those projectors into whatever plastic housing you have.

RiggsLW81

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pearl_iroc -- could you please post some pics of your HID lights on (low and high)? preferably at night...i would love to see how your set up performs. thanks!

Charged350

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well i did put a audi hid in my friends bike headlight and i did jus put it into the stock housing and made the bulb fit wirined her up and they worked fine...no projector no nothing...just the bulb...nice and bring no scater at all...and it seems to me that they dont make sealed beam style lights that accept any kind of stock type hid bulb...which is what i need....so im gonna fab up sumthing from ebay diamond cut lights....what about the wiring new harness a relay maybe a fuze?

pearl_iroc

heres a pic with the 6k low beams, i dont have ne with the hi and low on a the same time nor do i have em wired to be on at the same time just yet but the hi's i got are 10k (rele i got em for looks) i ll try an get a pic for u soon

Charged350

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how did you do your wiring...relays or no

krisb410

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Check this thread out.

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/auto...00k-hids.html?

pearl_iroc

no realys HIDs draw less current

Charged350

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cool thanx man...u have any pics where you mounted your balasts

Stephen

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What are the HIDs that fit stock wiring, with no ballasts? They seem to just be a housing, with a replaceable bulb. Any good? Anybody actually use them, and give real world feedback, not "I think those are stupid."?

No opinions please, just REAL WORLD, FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE.

krisb410

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I mounted 2 of the ballasts in front of the battery, and 2 of them in front of the canister on the drivers side.

I have never seen them, unless you are talking about the bulbs that are sold as "HID Look". But I do know that true HIDs need a ballast and a starter, which, (the starters) are housed inside the ballasts.

Stephen

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I guess they qualify more as HID look. How good are they, for lighting? Weak?

krisb410

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Well, at first, I just had the "E" code housings with plain jane Hella Bulbs. They were a great improvement over the stock type sealed beams. I was fairly impressed, probably would be even better with Siverstars or Piaa bulbs. I dislike the blueish tint that the typical "HID look" bulb produces. But they can't even compare to the true HIDs.

pearl_iroc

i mounted mine under the black plastic piece where there air filters sit, so basically u dont see the ballasts at all

Charged350

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yeah dont have that plastic there anymore...so i guess im gonna trow them right behind the headlights....how did you do the wiring....there is 3 prongs on the stock wiring...only two on hid's...which one doesnt get used.?

pearl_iroc

u have to switch the prongs around on the original connector, so as if u were using an h4 bulb, i had the diagram but cant find it, if u search for an h4 conversion it will be in one of the posts.

krisb410

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There you go

Charged350

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im not gonna use the original connector im just gonna hard wire the hid balast into the stock wiring....which colors are the power and ground....im just doing low beams.