mw66nova

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wanna go with a little more of a sleeper look...especially since the car is decently fast now.

before:

here is what she looks like now, though she's sitting at paint for the summer, so the hood will be white and the yellow part on the hood will be black. that hood is actually a lift off hood made from an 82 crossfire hood. it's totally functional and sealed to the carb via an air pan so it's only cold air getting in the motor. once we cut the supports out of it, it only weighed MAYBE 15 lbs. it's pinned on with with 10 quarter turn dzus fasteners. the matching front wheels are coming by the end of the summer and it will wear the fatties/skinnies most days, though i'll be putting some stock wheels on it(i've got 14" berli wheels, 15" 5 spoke z28 wheels and 16" 91-92 wheels, so i've got some options) when i go out "hunting":




hey, let me know what you guys think of the new sleeper look i'll be going for.

82 Iron Duke

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SC's are definately sleepers as they sit, I like the idea you have about paint and the choice of rims you have. Keep her quiet, don't attract too much attention and blow tham away from the line!

onfir3

Can you explain the carb setup you've got for that hood? My air filter didn't clear by about 1-2 inches before and the guy before me cut it out, and I added a cowl, which is now toast, so I need a new hood, with about 1 inch of clearance, that is, if i remove the carb spacer. I can either go with a cowl, or I may buy a fiberglass stock hood and fab up a shaker style assembly. Not sure yet. help would be appreciated, thanks. either way, I think she looks good. Changing the wheels will help, and dropin that hood make it look a bit more timid, if thats possible. Looks nice though, good job on it.

mw66nova

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keeping it quiet is the only problem i'm having right now. i don't know how quiet i'll be able to keep it, but once it's all said and done, the exhaust will have a very similiar look to it as the factory did (as far as the turndowns infront of the rear bumper...but they will probably be 3" instead of 2") though i don't know that it will have a single crossflow muffler. more than likely it will be two bullets under the rear seats and up and over the axles trying to mimic the factory outlet design the best i can.
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the way we have the carb/filter setup is very unique. i've got the carb completely sealed to the hood with an aluminum pan and foam. then the filter is actually in the open inlets. we took an old paper filter and cut it into pieces. then i built some brackets and epoxied them to the back of the hood. the filter pieces slide in and out of the brackets with ease.

without the airpan, i believe we could fit a drop base and a 2.5" filter under the hood.

82 Iron Duke

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Once somebody hears you rumbling down the street, the sleeper idea is just a figment!

SlowCamaro88SC

honestly, it's ugly.

mw66nova

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wow, thanks...i'll make sure the only thing you see is the taillights

AJ89Irocz

lol im with you man, looks white trash to me but hey, mine is slow so....

White93z34

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definately looks better without the cowl hood, when you get the chance i'd strip the white paint off the doorhandles and locks, unless thats how you like it.

SlowCamaro88SC

how much money you putting into yours to keep up w/ stock modern technology?

i think you'll be seeing my taillights as my car w/ just headers traps 6mph faster, but i suppose I could actually mod it more than a single bolt-on of longtubes.

unless you're referring to your awesome 1/4 mile that is definately better than my PB time Figure you run street tires and pull a 13.3 1/4. thats still nearly 4 tenths than my big aussie boat did stock. I get a 1.6 60' time on my GTO as is mod wise and It'll run a 11.8

but I suppose if I modded like yours and added cubic inches, heads, intake mani, a nice cam, and misc. it would push 550-600whp . hope you're not going to argue the merits of the Gen I SBC v.s. the Gen IV sbc.

but thats not the point. i'm not here to argue point is, the car does not look good in my opinion. but I'm sure you might not like my aussie pig, or my hick trans am. but that would just be your opinion.

Firebat

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The only thing i'm not sure about is airflow. It can't be good for to go into something that is almost flat. I dont know anything about that hood, maybe i'm wrong, I'm thinking about the camaro TPI setups.

Other than that, looks like a killer sleeper.

mw66nova

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actually, i like both the new goats, and your trans am. but i do think your acting alittle ignorant. i wasn't exactly looking for people to tear me down on this. give some good solid constructive critisism. and don't think for a second that the 305 that i threw together for $180 has any intention on staying in the car.

my motor has almost no money in it compared to what you paid for your overpriced new technology. how much where your headers? i'm sure i have less in my whole exhaust system then you do in your headers. and you cannot dispute the fact that it's impressive for what it is.

how does it look white trash? white trash normally indicates nasty paint with dents and crappy 15" steel wheels. this car has been properly put together and everything in it was maticulously put together with lots of attention to detail.

here is what white trash looks like (what she looked like when i brought her home)

19Irocz86

i think it looks great... not many cars pull off teh no gfx but yours did... and the no back wing/fin what ever it is looks great... hell id race you at a redlight

mw66nova

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here is a picture of the hood from an elevated point on my buddies car, i hope you can see how the holes would feed a carb well.


i built this car as well....but i suppose it's probably white trash too

Firebat

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i see now. rock on

SlowCamaro88SC

as long as that hood gets painted, it'lll look fine. i skimmed kinda quick and missed that it's gonna be painted...

and since you asked, my stainless works headers cost a painful $1400 new, and I scored for $575 just slightly used (cost me $875, but made back $300 by selling the cats that came with them)

the thirdgen is definately alot cheaper to mod.

speed88

I think your car looks better in your first pic that you posted. Nice cowl hood and the Camaro rims, but that's just my opinion...it's your car, rock on!

As far as opinions go, you have to take the good with the bad. Even when the bad sounds like a put down.

Demon355

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Matt, you're car is awesome. My neighbor has an '83 Berli that I'm thinking of buying off him and creating somewhat of a sleeper myself.

BT283

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Let us bow down before you my sir...All bow to the almighty LSx!





















Just messing with ya...but i like matts car, its a great great example in what you can do with a limited budget, like so many of us have, including me.

1992camarors

mw66nova, your car is a great example of a budget car that looks freakin awesomeand kicks the *** out of almost every car that it competes against! But I must suggest you add some small/skinny weld racing rims up front, and paint the hood back to white. Maybe lower the front end a bit with the weld racing rims up front. Crager SS rims would also look great on you car too. Just remember what you started with and now what it looks like and how it performs. Overall you have done a great job on the car, please post more pics of it. Also I think you car is the only car I like without the ground fx. Good luck with her!

mw66nova

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the car will recieve a matching set of 15x5 weld rodlites, then i can keep the current front tire, which is a bit taller tire than most people run. it's a 205/70/15 and is 26.5" tall. i'll get some really good pics that show the stance and whatnot when i get home. i'm ordering the rodlites in the next few weeks, though i won't be able to see the car till August 15th. i'm on the road with my new job alot now...when i get back home the diet on the car (and me) continues and i'll be trying to get it down to a solid 2900lbs (it's sitting at 2950 right now) and i'd like a solid 3120 with me in it (that would mean i would have to weigh 220lbs, i got 40lbs. to lose)

cragar ss's will never find their way onto any of my cars. thanks for the suggestion, but i hate those things...not sure anything could scream white trash more, lol!

mw66nova

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a couple of older pics. only thing different from now is the hood.

actually, let me go ahead and tell ya why we changed hoods. my buddy bought the crossfire hood a while ago from a guy in TN. i spent 12 hours on the road to go get it. when we got it home, we noticed it was in much worse shape then we originally thought. my body/paint guy is frickin' awesome and we really wanted to try to save it. so he slaved on that hood for 50+ hours, only to have the inner supports crack on it about 3 weeks after the paint job. i decided that since Kody will be driving his car much more than i am that i would offer him my cowl hood at a greatly reduced price and for him to give me his hood so that we could make it into a lightweight liftoff hood. so it was a necessary evil...and a benefit all at the same time. i like the cowl hood, but i think that the sleeper look will work well with the car. don't worry, the hood will be white and the indents on the top of the hood will be black.

BT283

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Compelety off subject, but check out my new look....

2 days left at my current job and i cut myself and get 7 stitches

mw66nova

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ouch, so what's the story behind that one?

Tobias05

wow, i feel like i'm always 20 steps behind you, haha.

the new hood'll look awesome once it gets some paint, and your 5 spokes look killer.

You know dynomax makes "stock" 2.5in mandrel bent tailpipes right? 100% stock looking. I love them. I guess my 2055's and 3" 80 series gives away the stock idea though, haha.

GAAHHH! I gotta spend more money and get out of the 14s damnit!

Keep up the hard work. Congrats.

Oohrah Sport Coupes!!!!

83-ta-5spd

good look nice man. guess i kno my next project is gonna be a clean s/c car

mw66nova

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i'd like to do 3" duals all the way back, up and over the axle and out the back in "stock" fassion...it's kinda hard to describe...and i know that duals up and over the axle are not stock by any stretch of the imagination...but the end result i hope to look stock inspired. (looking from behind)
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does this mean i'm the innovator?

flrtin1

heh I get the white trash thing also for not having the hood on most of the time so don't let it get to you lol!

As far as the sleeper look I am a bad one to ask since that concept seems to have eluded me ....... I think you are getting there but anyone with any experiance is gonna pick up on your exhaust sound.

You know what you want, and are doing a good job getting there keep up the good work.

z28z34man

why not run a very restrictive stock sounding muffler then get cut outs and open them for race time

i love the look except the 2 different style wheels on it

mw66nova

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exhaust sound is something that is very important to me. i'd rather have it sound like it'll run what it does and not look like it, then to restrict it like that. the high flow exhaust is also very efficient and i know has a hand in why my car gets the kinda mileage it does (16 city/22 hwy)

z28z34man

just throwing out ideas to make it a good all around sleeper and i understand about the exhaust thing

here are some pics of my exhaust they might give you an idea

1984 Chevrolet Camaro - brad's Chevrolet "mighty mouse"

mw66nova

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yeah, i've seen that type of exhaust routing before, only problem i see with it for me is i've got longtubes, and i'd like 3" to make sure it'll have enough to breath through for my next motor...which i know it'll be 383 cubes, but i don't know what the setup is going to be yet...

Firebat

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Something to keep in mind...A 4" single y-pipe style exhaust flows about the same as 3" duals. 4" catback exhaust is expensive though

83camaroMN

I like the car but I do not like the rear rims but overall it looks good

mw66nova

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sorry, i don't believe that. there is no way you can tell me that a 4" exhaust will flow as well as a properly thought out x-piped dual 3" system...or else there would be WAY more people running 4" single exhaust.

it is expensive, and VERY heavy.

G-Ride14

I think the car looks good. I like how u got the sleeper setup going. I know if I saw that car on the street I would think its just a stock 305 with just some tire and a hood.

mw66nova

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well....it is just a 305.......

Firebat

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that's why I used the word "about"

mw66nova

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i appreciate the idea...but it's not an option.

Brisk

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looks good imo

Stevo

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honestly anyone who knows anything about cars would know your car has *****. You wouldnt fool me with the sleeper look. Lets see big fat tires on the back, true duals...from the sounds- a loud exhaust system and im sure you gotta cam in there that can be heard.

I like the stock look and all but its just too hard to hide these days in my opinion. Kinda like those imports...stock everything cept that big shiny frontmount...everyone does it nowadays its too hard to pull it off.

I personally think that car looks badass, i like your taste a lot but i just dont think it will fool too many people

blyth18md

as stated above, paint the locks and door handles black..similar shade to the headlight "buckets".

Not too fond of that nose personally, but it fits the look.

Nebu

i don't like camaros without the gfx, but hey... it's all go before show and your car is f****** fast
any new times with the 305?

nebu.

mw66nova

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yeah, it went 12.50@106.8mph in the heat. she's got a bit more in her once i get it tuned and get a bit more weight out of the nose of the car.

the sleeper look will be done with stock wheels and tires guys. i don't know if you read up top on the first post, but i have three different types

14" berlinetta wheels that i'm redoing in black/polished with a 205/75/14 tire
15" z28 wheels that i've already redone in black/polished with a 235/60/15 tire
16" 91-2 wheels that i'm redoing black/polished with a 245/50/16 tire.

it'll have fatties/skinnies on it at the track and when i want it to look mean, but when i'm out hunting, it'll have one of the stock sets on it.

the car will be hard to keep "sleeper-esk" once it's fired up, but sitting in a parking lot with a bunch of people talking bullchit is when i'll be able to do my "sleeping"...

i like the body colored door handles/locks. i wish i could shave the door locks before it gets painted...but i don't think that will happen. they look much better in person, they are the fourth gen handles so they don't have the little indent in them...lets see if i can find a picture

Stevo

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Ya i liked painted door handles as im considering having mine painted white. Forgot about the part about the stockies...but still unless that exhaust is quiet-er i dont think ull be able to pull off too much...but itll be fun thats all that matters.

ssean92

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hey matt,
i read this post and it is amazing some of the ****ty comments you have gotten, I have seen this car manny times and it is in no way white trash, I can say that, i am going to use yours as a template to work off of, you have to be one of the most knowledgeable guys i have ever met, I thin everytime we chat i learn something from you. and **** i have been doing cars for over 15 years, well playing with them anyway. lol. All i can say matt is you know what you are doing when it comes to setting up a car right. I love your car and I will alway respect your car. I can say i have alot in my car and you out perform me everytime, but you know what i respect that. KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!!!!!!!

TPI TERR

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what happened to the cowl??? they both look good.. but the cowl looks sick!!!

mw66nova

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thanks sean, it means alot coming from you man. i have so much time and energy in this thing....i just can't stand to see it get bashed by people who haven't seen it in person. you know i'm really excited that i'm out on the road with my new job, but i can't wait till i'm back in town to really get Walter Racecraft cranked up...
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the cowl is now on the black berlinetta that i posted pics of. if you look up a few posts, i explain why we did that...post #22

ssean92

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i just can wait till we can line up side by side and runn them ***** to the wall.

Stevo

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Exactly. I havent seen your car in person but ive known of you around these boards long enough...If only people knew how much time youve put into that car and i can tell its probably not possible to count the amount of hours...it means something. Thats one thing about newer cars you just dont get with older cars, everything is new there is nothing to do. Third gens always keep ya busy(well for the good and not so good to some people). But its the hobby that we all love and even through the struggles its still the end product thats truly an accomplishment. Not every car will be someone's exact taste but people should be able to appreciate what work went into building it.