Question on paint costs/estimates. Plus a color decision.....
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Question on paint costs/estimates. Plus a color decision.....
Allright, I'm seriously considering a paint job this summer if I can round up some money. I was thinking either black or white, but if guys wanna throw in suggestions, I'd love to here them. Also, if any of you are good with PS then I'd appreciate if any of you wanted to try playing with colors and posting them or sometihng.
Anyways, this summer I have a friend who both his dad and him race at Stafford Speedway in Stafford, CT. They do a ton of bodywork and stuff and have painted several cars including their race cars and a daily driver El Camino my friend just finished restoring (yeah he financed it himself and is REAL good with body work). Our plan was to completely sand down, prep and primer the car at his house, every section of it to be taken care of (except the interior, the jams and doors will be painted, but not actually under the carpet). I'm gonna pay him though, it won't be free, since I'd be using his lift and stuff and out of generousity I'd probably pay him a little, and he'd be doing most of the work and I'd be learning anyways. Me and him would probably pull the engine/tranny together and sand down and paint the underhood flat black just so it's easy to clean up and looks better then what I have now. That however he probably won't really count as work....
If I pay for ALL the paint and then give him the amount of money for the hours is takes him to sand/prep/primer/paint/clear the car, how many hours am I looking at total would you say? I'd get it much cheaper then a normal shop do to this being my buddy, but still gotta pay him SOME money and I'm taking care of all paint costs. I was thinking maybe 3 coats of paint and one or two coats of clear. Does that sound about normal (this ain't no show car, I just want it to look nice)?
Anyways, here's the car we're talking about:
The hood is a different shade of red from the rest of the car.
Doesn't it make you safe to be riding in a car that could catch fire any second?:P
Another interior shot.
Underhood shot.
Another underhood shot.
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Blurry, but oh well.
Rear end- I don't care if you can read the plate #.....
Wheel/tire I guess... yes, I know it looks like crap with stock brakes, I've got a 4th gen rear and hopefully LS1 fronts going on there this summer.
-Thanks, Brandon
Anyways, this summer I have a friend who both his dad and him race at Stafford Speedway in Stafford, CT. They do a ton of bodywork and stuff and have painted several cars including their race cars and a daily driver El Camino my friend just finished restoring (yeah he financed it himself and is REAL good with body work). Our plan was to completely sand down, prep and primer the car at his house, every section of it to be taken care of (except the interior, the jams and doors will be painted, but not actually under the carpet). I'm gonna pay him though, it won't be free, since I'd be using his lift and stuff and out of generousity I'd probably pay him a little, and he'd be doing most of the work and I'd be learning anyways. Me and him would probably pull the engine/tranny together and sand down and paint the underhood flat black just so it's easy to clean up and looks better then what I have now. That however he probably won't really count as work....
If I pay for ALL the paint and then give him the amount of money for the hours is takes him to sand/prep/primer/paint/clear the car, how many hours am I looking at total would you say? I'd get it much cheaper then a normal shop do to this being my buddy, but still gotta pay him SOME money and I'm taking care of all paint costs. I was thinking maybe 3 coats of paint and one or two coats of clear. Does that sound about normal (this ain't no show car, I just want it to look nice)?
Anyways, here's the car we're talking about:
The hood is a different shade of red from the rest of the car.
Doesn't it make you safe to be riding in a car that could catch fire any second?:P
Another interior shot.
Underhood shot.
Another underhood shot.
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Blurry, but oh well.
Rear end- I don't care if you can read the plate #.....
Wheel/tire I guess... yes, I know it looks like crap with stock brakes, I've got a 4th gen rear and hopefully LS1 fronts going on there this summer.
-Thanks, Brandon
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dont do black man. it looks frickin badass but its the biggest PITA to keep looking good. It shows swirls like crazy which look liek complete crap. id go with white, its nice and clean and very easy to take care of. maybe even do white with some stripes or something
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paint color
hey,dont paint it black or white.paint it red.
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pay the guy around 1200-1500 dollars.
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pay the guy around 1200-1500 dollars.
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Originally Posted by Gunny Highway
Get some GFX first.
Originally Posted by waldershrek
Are you paying the guy by the hour or just an amount for the whole job?
Originally Posted by scooter24
hey,dont paint it black or white.paint it red.
Corvette torch red!!!
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Originally Posted by '86 350
Got an example of this on a 3rd gen? I certainly don't like the red I have on the car now, but maybe a different red would be the way to go?....
I think my painter call my color corvette red(think he actually said torch red).
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I got a new idea. I saw this color the other day, and I REALLY liked it. Asked the owner what it was, he said it was a flat black that was then clearcoated and polished up, and it created sort of a flat yet shiny black. He said it was Satin. I thought it looked awesome and wouldn't be all that expensive either.
Anyone got any opinions on that color or seen it on a 3rd gen before?
Also, has anyone ever seen orange on a 3rd gen? I was thinking something like a hugger orange wouldn't look to bad.....
Anyone got any opinions on that color or seen it on a 3rd gen before?
Also, has anyone ever seen orange on a 3rd gen? I was thinking something like a hugger orange wouldn't look to bad.....
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I always love a black 3rd gen, ur camaro would look great with it, some people also tell me to paint mine black put Im painting it blue.
I never seen a hugger orange, but a metallic orange on a 3rd gen, looked nice too.
I never seen a hugger orange, but a metallic orange on a 3rd gen, looked nice too.
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Originally Posted by §teve
hugger orange for the win.
id love to have my car hugger orange with white heritage stripes...just like my '69 z28 dream car.
id love to have my car hugger orange with white heritage stripes...just like my '69 z28 dream car.
Would anyone that's good with PS be able to maybe do my car in orange or something like that? Is it possible (I've never worked with photo shop before)?
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red is the most expensive color to buy, ask me how i kno. as far as color id keep it red. i think cars with no gfx look bad *** red with black around the bottom, kinda how your car is now. as far as the clear you mentioned before, make sure you get at least two coast on it. one is nowhere near enough and definatly wont cover. id really recommend four if you intend to cut and buff the finished paint. hope that helps.
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EDIT: by the way, sell me your snypers
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EDIT: by the way, sell me your snypers
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I've just never really been a fan of red at all. I just don't like it. I do however like the idea of Hugger orange.
Anyone have any opinions on Hugger orange either with or without stripes? I think it'd look pretty badass and definitely stand out.
Anyone have any opinions on Hugger orange either with or without stripes? I think it'd look pretty badass and definitely stand out.
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If you really want to give your freind a break, have it painted the original color. This way it they won't have to paint under the hood, inside the doors, under the hatch.........you may not like the "red" that's on the car now, but keep in mind it's had many years to fade...........fresh red will look great on that car.............
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Well I was thinking I could actually just rough up the factory paint and then paint the car, I've heard that this is perfectly safe to do as long as the paint it in good condition with no rust or cracking. The only cracking I have is on the nose (damn fiberglass), so I'd probably end up stripping that down, but I think the rest of the car would be okay.
So basically I could just paint over the previous factory finish after roughing the paint up a bit and then shoot about 3-4 coats of paint on and 2-3 coats of clear. Sound good? The only things I'd strip down are the nose and the drivers side front fender (car was vandelised). Seems like it'd be MUCH cheaper and much less time consuming.
I was originally planning on just stirrping it all down, but I've been reading the May and June issues of Hotrod and the articels they have on painting, and they say it's okay as long as the paint is in pretty good condtion. Does this seem like an okay idea?
So basically I could just paint over the previous factory finish after roughing the paint up a bit and then shoot about 3-4 coats of paint on and 2-3 coats of clear. Sound good? The only things I'd strip down are the nose and the drivers side front fender (car was vandelised). Seems like it'd be MUCH cheaper and much less time consuming.
I was originally planning on just stirrping it all down, but I've been reading the May and June issues of Hotrod and the articels they have on painting, and they say it's okay as long as the paint is in pretty good condtion. Does this seem like an okay idea?
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I agree- you don't need to strip it all the way down unless it's showing some sign of failure- peeling, bubbles or such. You should ask your apint supplier for specific recommendations on the paint needed. You will need a primer, a sealer, base coats and clear.........instead of base and clear , you could also use a single stage paint. good luck
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Originally Posted by 90-irocdx3
i think a forest green would look really nice on your car.
Right now I'm still leaning towards that Satin-black idea, but I'm not so sure.....
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Wow, that looks amazing, that is one green I'd definitely do, but once again it looks like I'd need GFX to pull that color off. I'm not sure though, anyone know that name of that color? Is that car someone's on the board?
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Anyone know anything about that green? It looks awesome. I basically debating between some type of green and some type of black, and I'm still playing around with the idea of white as well.
EDIT: Also, you guys think it's reasonable to believe that I could just scuff up this paintjob and lay down some more paint (or do I actually do primer again and then paint). Other then the hood and driver's side fender the paint is in pretty good shape.
EDIT: Also, you guys think it's reasonable to believe that I could just scuff up this paintjob and lay down some more paint (or do I actually do primer again and then paint). Other then the hood and driver's side fender the paint is in pretty good shape.
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hugger orange with black stripes and your done, lookin sweet, or metallic orange and gold like my car, but forreal hugger orange and black stripes....
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Still haven't decided yet on a color. I'm really liking the idea of a satin black. It's incredibly cheap, and looks badass in my opinion. Of course the Hugger Orange combos are cool, but they're gonna be way more expensive to do.
I think the Satin Black would look killer on my car, espesicially with the Snypers. Anyone else have any opinions on a Satin black (flat black with clearcoat over it) 3rd gen?
Here's 2 examples of the black I was thinking of:
In those pics it looks a little more flat black though.
I think the Satin Black would look killer on my car, espesicially with the Snypers. Anyone else have any opinions on a Satin black (flat black with clearcoat over it) 3rd gen?
Here's 2 examples of the black I was thinking of:
In those pics it looks a little more flat black though.
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Originally Posted by MonteMan357
dont do black man. it looks frickin badass but its the biggest PITA to keep looking good. It shows swirls like crazy which look liek complete crap. id go with white, its nice and clean and very easy to take care of. maybe even do white with some stripes or something
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I have a black car and dont like it dont get me wrong black is a good color when its clean but it never stays clean like my friend was saying white cars shows the rust easy id go with silver or grey
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I know Black can be hard to keep up. That's why I was considering this as a nice alternative. Later on some time down the road I plan on doing a REAL paint job/body restoration. For now though, I figured this would do and look good too.
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PAINT IT BLACK AND WHITE AND RED ALL OVER
Originally Posted by '86 350
...............think it's reasonable to believe that I could just scuff up this paintjob and lay down some more paint.........
It will be self evident as you start to sand off
the present paint. If it starts to look nice and smooth
and you not seeing any chip-off you can paint over
that surface.
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Allright, I think maybe I'll try this. Considering my friend has all the material other then paint/clear, I'm guessing this shouldn't cost me more then probably $100 and a couple hours of pain in the *** work. Maybe I'll do it this summer.
I'm still not sure what color I should paint this, I'm definitely more towards the Satin Black, but white still sounds good too....
I'm still not sure what color I should paint this, I'm definitely more towards the Satin Black, but white still sounds good too....
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I'm going to paint my camaro sunset orange metallic with flat black racing stripes, but then if you did it like that, my car wouldnt be unique and then Ill have to burn yours down jk
Im not a big fan of shiny reds or blues on our cars, black looks amazing but like said earlier, a pita. White gets old and shows dirt easy, I had a white 86 camaro. Right now I have a dark gray camaro and it looks pretty sweet, but im changing it to the scheme I mentioned above.
Im not a big fan of shiny reds or blues on our cars, black looks amazing but like said earlier, a pita. White gets old and shows dirt easy, I had a white 86 camaro. Right now I have a dark gray camaro and it looks pretty sweet, but im changing it to the scheme I mentioned above.
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I don't mind if white shows dirt that easy, the car almost never gets driven in the rain, and I wouldn't mind a little sand or anything, so white isn't a big deal. I know black can be a pain in the ***, but a flat black would be much different I think. Plus it'd hide any small imperfections in the body.
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I saw a 4th gen camaro with a weird orange/red paint color, it looked really sweet and i was wondering what it would look like on third gens, possibly cooler than sunset orange.
I saw a white third gen today, it looked pretty sweet, but with your front end like that I wouldnt get white, white only looks good on like '86+ camaros.
But most importantly, do what you think would be best, no one should influence your opinion, just give you a broader idea.
I saw a white third gen today, it looked pretty sweet, but with your front end like that I wouldnt get white, white only looks good on like '86+ camaros.
But most importantly, do what you think would be best, no one should influence your opinion, just give you a broader idea.
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i like the gunmetal gray on my 86. doesnt look bad on sport coupes either.
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Originally Posted by Raiderfan
Hugger orange with black stripes would look cool
But, if it were my car i'd clean that interior and degrease the engine bay before anything else...................
But, if it were my car i'd clean that interior and degrease the engine bay before anything else...................
Those pics are a little old though, the interior is dirty because those pics were taken in winter. The car doesn't get driven with snow or alt on the ground, but there was still a bunch of sand and dirt, making it nearly impossible the keep the interior clean. It's good now though.
As for the engine bay, yeah, I know it's dirty. This weekend the engine is actually getting pulled and the engine bay is being degreased and then just painted a flat black. Whether I go with the black or not, a black engine bay is just a LOT easier to keep up and keep looking decent.
Originally Posted by nw66nova
i say white...though i'm very biased.
Originally Posted by ZZ4 86 Z28
i like the gunmetal gray on my 86. doesnt look bad on sport coupes either.
I think I'm still sticking with White or black though. Gunmetal looks nice, but don't know if it's what I want right now.
Also, can anyone tell me the aproximate cost of a clear coat? I don't need to have it done by someone else, I'll gladly do it, but I was just wondering about how much it costs. I was thinking with clear coat and paint I could probably stay under $75-$100 for black and probably under about $150 for white.
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white is the cheapest color to buy paint btw.
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Don't let 'em talk u outa the black. Maybe you have to clean it a little more, but heck.... you ain't goin off-roading anytime soon are u?
Black is the best looking vehicle on the road no mater what it is
I've owned blue, green, white, red, grey, maroon, and even one champagne (don't ask...wife's idea).
Notice the "owned" in that above statement. I now have three vehicle...ALL BLACK. And they look sweet!
Don't let 'em talk u outa the black. Maybe you have to clean it a little more, but heck.... you ain't goin off-roading anytime soon are u?
Black is the best looking vehicle on the road no mater what it is
I've owned blue, green, white, red, grey, maroon, and even one champagne (don't ask...wife's idea).
Notice the "owned" in that above statement. I now have three vehicle...ALL BLACK. And they look sweet!
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I think right now my main choices are gonna be black or white. They're both cheap, and in my opinion, look badass. Either way I'm just going to end up sanding the paint down with some 250 grit I think and shooting over that. The flat black is kinda appealing to me, because all the small imperfections in the car will most likely be hidden. Plus, although in my opinion flat black looks a little trashy (depends on the car though, some it looks totally badass on), I think with 2 or 3 coats of clear over it, it'll look pretty nice as well.
One question, when you scuff up the paint and simply shoot over it, you don't do any primer first rigtht, just color? If I were to go with white, which I'm really liking now too, I think due to there not being primer or anything that a few more of the small imperfections might be noticable.
I don't know **** about paint though. nw66nova, on your car, I believe I remember you mentioning it cost you about $200 to get your SC painted. Is that just the cost of paint or is it the actual price you payed at a shop. How'd you go about it also? Did you just scuff up the main paint, strip the car, or what?
-Thanks, Brandon
One question, when you scuff up the paint and simply shoot over it, you don't do any primer first rigtht, just color? If I were to go with white, which I'm really liking now too, I think due to there not being primer or anything that a few more of the small imperfections might be noticable.
I don't know **** about paint though. nw66nova, on your car, I believe I remember you mentioning it cost you about $200 to get your SC painted. Is that just the cost of paint or is it the actual price you payed at a shop. How'd you go about it also? Did you just scuff up the main paint, strip the car, or what?
-Thanks, Brandon