FLYNLOW92rs

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Does anyone have any information on possibly prices, installation and the fesibility of getting bulletproof glass installed on a thirdgen??

Know it's a long shot, but figured i would try.....:lala:

Thanks in advance

theSteve

sounds heavy.

thirdgen88

I don't think thats very practical, with how heavy our doors are already.. plus it would have to be thick..

FLYNLOW92rs

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I have allowed the weight issue to be taken care of elsewhere in the car by removing some weight

I essentially want the car to be a rolling fortress that can't be broken into

With no door handles and a remote locked door, and on top of that add side windows that can't be broken, I see no way to get into the car except through the front or rear windshield........

Los Angeles and Miami are not two places to live and not take some drastic anti-theft measures when you drive a car that attracts alot of attention.....

Sickness91Z28

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sucks that it has to come to that man....

Justins86bird

Do a search on Yahoo for "Armored Car" There are several places that will armor a vehicle for you if you have the cash. I've mainly seen BMWs, Benz's and SUVs armored. 1" thick glass all around, plus you need a frame around the whole window like a sedan. Also there are different levels depending how far you want to go. Bomb blankets in the floors, steel plates in the roof and doors, smoke screens Keep in mind this is VERY heavy. Going for the protection plan capable of sustaining muliple rounds from an AK47?

irocbirdbuilder

You got way to much time on your hands bro. YOu have an alarm right? I got a good deal from a family friend its about a 900 dollar system for 285. Kid used to steal gas outta my parents cars for his little gokarts so we figure he's payed us back.lol Between my alarm and my vats as he said the car is basically unstealable. Granted they can still break a window but the alarm will go off and when the alarm goes off the car is disabled until it has been shut off by me. Saw a thing on the history channel and some of the more pricey bullet proof glass is actually really light weight. But for a price.

Kandied91z

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very heavy and very expensive....not only that but it won't keep the car from being broken into since the overall design would have to be changed.

i looked into it years ago after mine was broken into and it just wasn't worth it. it's cheaper to build an excellent secuirty system rather then dealing with that aspect.

however, if you want info regardless let me know...figure on a min of 3g's for all your windows though. here in detroit we do a lot of work with it but mainly on suv vehicles.

Gumby

Id spend $3-400 on a smoke machine alarm.
Hard to steal anything in a cloud of smoke.

CrazyHawaiian

You could also roll up to the club and set the smoke screen off in front of a crowd *ninja vanish*

thirdgen88

I was referring to how incapable the current hinges are at sufficiently supporting the weight of the doors...

Dante93GTZ

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Now I'm seeing why you put the LS1 and N20 in.... not for speed, but to lug around that heavy *** glass.

Sonar_un

Well, a good security system is probabally better than anything, like Kandied said.

There are a few things you can do which will improve security for our cars greatly. For instance, its stupidly easy to break into our cars. A casing over the lock housing near the windshield would stop thieves from using the "ruler trick" to open the locks.

A remote security paging system would help too. That way you are aware if your car is being broken into. Hell, it will even tell you which door is being opened.

The post breaking into systme would work too, like a Lo-Jack. Or some sort of GPS navigation system so you know where your car is at all times. If they steal it, at least you know where it is.

For the exremes, putting in a remote start and removing the lock cylinder from the steering column just plain confuses thieves.

NEEDforSPEED

Dante93GTZ

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What is the ruler trick? I locked my keys in my Camaro a few weeks ago and any tips would be beneficial should this happen again.

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The post breaking into systme would work too, like a Lo-Jack. Or some sort of GPS navigation system so you know where your car is at all times. If they steal it, at least you know where it is.

Wouldn't the VATS even prevent that from being stolen/started?

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For the exremes, putting in a remote start and removing the lock cylinder from the steering column just plain confuses thieves.

That idea sounds AWESOME. Would the remote start be a button or would you just use a keyless entry/remote start system? Any one done that or are there any limitations to this type of system? I am VERY tempted to do this on m,y IROC after I've got everything else setup on the car. Is there any other steering column cover that could be used to cover the hole where the lock cylinder used to be?

[edit] Can remote start be used on a VATS equipped car?

7plagues

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why dont u use a plexi-glass or one of those types of glass that doesnt shatter. or a lexan glass those are strong right? top that will a awesome alarm and u wouldnt have to worry

FLYNLOW92rs

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I invite them to use this tatic, however the car is already unlocked, with no handles though, it makes the step of opening the unlocked door rather difficult.....

Those familiar with Miami and the surrouding areas know that a car making all sorts of noise is the normal.......

Does anyone know if there is a way to test the VATS system to see if it is still operational, I need to test and make sure?

Sonar_un

well.. there is a way to test vats.. I think..

maybe put a peice of tape (electrical) over the "chip". Hopefully you can stick your key in there and attempt to start the vehicle. If you can turn the key and the vehicle doesn't start, VATS is operational.

If you want to know the ruler trick, PM me, I don't think I want to announce it on the forums.

Kandied91z

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unless you redesign the door so that the window is incased rather then free like it is you are not safe from anyone that knows what your doing. you can have any car alarm on your car, shaved handles or even remote pieces but if you have a handle anywhere on your door pannel i can get into your car cut your alarm and have it stolen or the parts i need in under 30 seconds.

best bet is when you get your car to such a point is to not take it anywhere your going to leave it. if your doing it to your daily driver you had better get the best insurance you can and as well as the best alarm you can.

for mine knowing how easy it is to break into it i have a few very trick pieces that will make it that much more difficult to break into. makes it rather impossible without my remote or keys but id rather have to damage something if i'm that forgetful then keep it as easy as our cars are to steal things.


the glass is a great idea for safety...one which i've thought about after being shot at here in detroit and having friends who have been shot while driving however the weight and overall use isn't worth it. i just avoid those situations now.

FLYNLOW92rs

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So if understand correctly, the door actually needs to be redeisigned in order to accomodate the armored glass?

Justins86bird

It'll need a full frame around the windows like a sedan.

FLYNLOW92rs

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Well there goes that idea, I could only imagine the costs associated with that kind of custom work.....

Time to look for alternatives.....

Kandied91z

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no your door is fine to accomodate the glass.........you'll need a full frame to make it fool proof for easy theft that is associated with our cars that's all.

NJITIROC

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hate to rain on your parade, but if someone wants to get into your car, they will get into your car. Are you able to park it in a somewhat safer place (ie a garage or the like?)

dsaint1347

I do work on State department Limo's with bullet proof glass and learned a couple of things.
They weigh a ton.
You just can't down the windows.
You need a least 4 heavy duty door hinges.
They are not cheap.

88blkiroc

get some lexan racing windows. Wont break from normal blunt force trauma like someone punching the window or hitting it with a bat. Just remember if you ever get trapped in this car with those windows installed, your gona be SOL, especially without exterior door handles.

deadbird

2.5" hole saw, cordless drill... under 30 seconds to open your door.

Red Devil

Jeez. Here they just roll up with the tow truck, scoot under your car to fix the tranny and they are gone. The idiots that want to do it the old way have moved up to using pencil torches on the column, but still will pass on anything making noise.

You realize that you will not be able to roll down your windows correct? Just go to lexan. You don't need the capabilities of the bullet proof.

Deadbird, ther are far easier, quieter and probably quicker ways to open his door.

Abubaca

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This whole thing sounds kinda ridiculous to me. Here's an idea...MOVE.

Seriously. I would not live somewhere that I felt I needed protection from gunshots.

How about just welding steel plating all around the car and cut little slivers to see out of.

There comes a point were you have done what you can do, and then you just roll the dice and take a chance. NOTHING is perfectly safe, don't destroy all the time money and effort you've put into that car just to turn it into a "rolling fortress".

Air_Adam

I once saw on TV a security system that was similar to one that makes noise if its touched twice in a certain amount of time (lets say 2 times in 10 seconds), except instead of noise, it would zap you momentarily with about 45,000V... more than enough to discourage most people. Not enough amps to seriously hurt anyone, but definitely enough voltage to really scare them off and look for another target.

(Its basically like being zapped by a spark plug wire)

But remember, I saw this on TV (TLC i think) a few years ago, so I dont remember all the facts.

A88GTANotchback

man am i ever happy i live where i do. i dont think ive ever worried where i park or whos out there. no one messes with my car (knock on wood)...sure theres cars that get broken into but thats for stereos. no one steals cars. thank *** i didnt go through w/ the stereo idea.

CrazyHawaiian

srry dbl post ...

CrazyHawaiian

Get that new security system that uses your radio speakers to make noises so loud and crazy that the thief goes part deaf and his ears hurt.! Haha!! This is a real product!! But watch out because thieves are suing people that have it because it causes them to go deaf when they break in LOL

If you do it make sure to put a sticker on the window with a small warning about noise if the car is broken into so you can avoid legal implications.

Talk about getting revenge!!

nolanr0413

you can only get bullet proof glass if your part of the g g g g g unit. Would it even be possible to make a rear hatch out of bulletproof glass anyways.

vernw

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Easiest way to check the VATS system is go to the local hardware store or WALMART and have them cut a standard key (no VATS) off your ignition key and see if it will start the car. Only costs a buck or so, and you'll know for sure.




- Vern

NJITIROC

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sounds like an episode of the A-Team

Kandied91z

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i can do it in under 5 seconds if you have a stock window setup.....alarm or no alarm. in under 15 seconds all your doors will be open and the alarm will be cut. 30 seconds i'd have everything inside and the car would be gone if needed.

our cars are one of the worst cars to hold up to theft. you want some ideas and helpful suggestions let me know or do a search as i've put up plenty of things that i've done from trick hinges and latches to security cameras and even the thing crazy stated where my speakers sound off when needed although it's pretty damn annoying if it goes off by accident.

Rivven87

I'm not quite sure I get the why it's not possible... 1" thick armored glass is for stopping multiple heavy rounds. That's not what you're trying to do, right? Stopping someone from smashing your window in in order to break into the car doesn't take that kind of thickness.

Nor do I really see a need for a full door surround.. just something to keep the top of the window from being pried out. A strong enough metal lip or something along the roof that comes down to just below the top of the window might be enough to keep the window from being pried away. I used to break into my Cutlass that way. It's a weakness but it's something that can be solved.

Worrying about people who are going to drill your doors is also pointless. If you're wanting to stop joyriders or the average thief from punching in your windows, because your door doesn't have handles anymore, then go for replacing your windows and find a way to stop the top of the windows from being pried out.

Don't worry about your stupid doors being drilled, because if you do that, you better worry about someone crawling under your car and hacking open the floor pan to get in. That'd be a stupid thing to worry about, wouldn't it?

Getting into your car could be pretty bad.. but if you don't really have anything to rip off inside, just stop the car from moving. My first Z got broken into at least a half dozen times when it was parked at my school, but nobody ever got away with the car because the ignition was turned off at the distributor, and the only way to turn it back on was to hack off the chain holding the hood shut. I went to a crappy school, so doing that to my car didn't seem like a bad thing.

JeffW

no way on the glass you would not be able to roll down the windows any more, would have to be in a solid frame. to be bullett proof it would have to be a min 1" thick. They do make a laminate glass that does not allow the glass to break out. you can get it in a film roll and stick it on. Downside yes it does scratch...but if someone went to smash out the window it would just dent in where they hit it. sure eventully they would hit it enough times to get in but hey nothing is 100%.

we use laminate glass in our reception area at the hospital, some wack nut wanted to get attention and threw a chair throught it and it never fell in and the chair didn;t get through. he hit it about 6 times. big window too.

jeff

Rivven87

Again.. he didn't say he wants it to be actually bullet proof against anything, or expect to get shot at. Inch thick bullet proof glass will stop several hits from a .357 or 9mm.. and that's not what he wants.

There's a lot of variance in glass like that.. you can get 3 inches of it and still have rifle fire through it. You can get bullet proof glass that's as thin as 14mm.. you can get bullet proof windows that still roll down. Impact resistant glass is even thinner, you can get it less than 7mm, or marine glazed glass as thin as 4mm.

There's quite simply, a lot of options for replacing side windows for security reasons, and not having them unusable or ungodly thick.

89Warbird

Interesting response by Rivven87. As far as I knew the only truly bulletproof glass was thick and heavy and laminated and required to be installed such that your windows no longer work. If you just want shatterproof, then try Lexan.

Rivven87

Bullet resistant glass varies by application. It used to involve pretty much sealing up your entire car, but who wants a car you can't use? Vehicles that are done now are simply modified to be able to handle windows that are that thick. It takes a big power window to push a 20 pound window up and down. "Minimal" thickness is 13/16" which is basically for .38's, but on cars it doesn't really get a lot thicker because of the weight. Most 13/16" stuff weighs about 7 pounds per square foot. Stopping a .30-06 takes just under 3 inches.

Mercedes makes an S500 model that's hand built (for a mere 143k) as a security edition... bullet resistant glass is just about an inch and will take a .44. All the reinforcing adds about 800 pounds to the stock weight, and adds a second to the 0-60 time.

Along with lexan, there's a lot of shatter and impact resistant materials around now. Really pricey laminated glass can be as thin as 7/16" and take a hit from a 12 pound sledge. It's all really a question of money, and how original he wants it to look. But it can be done if you really want it done.

Security Impact Glass is in Palm Beach, and they've got everything from thin forced entry resistant, hurricane, and blast proof glass.

86transamws6

Pimp My Ride sayz, "...and bulletproof glass, we's gots ta put in da bulletproof glass"

OutLaw305

BUWAHAHAHAHA:lala:

Gumby

i still say fog machine alarm but yea it would be pointless to go with major thick glass. You can keep stock size and get plenty of shatter and small arms proff. an Ak will go through the door real easy. Or any part of the car. So anything over small arms and you need to do the entire car. add a ton of steel, 200hp and monster brake and suppension changes.

85_ZED28

just buy a cheap car for a daily driver, and never let the maro out of your sight

Aviator857

The problem with bulet prof is that it can still be broken into all you need is a sawzall. Plus if someone wanted into your car all they need is a radio frequency counter and they have the frequency of the remote, and if it uses an encrypted signal they have to intercept the signal about 3 times to figure out the right frequency and mode etc to unlock your door. And like said above just back up to the car with a roll back and pull it up on it. Get you a noise maker with a pager, and get lojack installed.

It just isn't worth the expense to go bullet prof unless you are worried you will get shot at, then you would need to kevlar mat the door and sail panel and firewall and to be save put a few layers of kevlar in the front and rear seats. Also need a layer or two under the carpet. Then you need steel overlaps made into the door jam where a bullet will not make its way inbetween the door and jam.

black90rs

a couple night ago i sw this stuff on the news.. its like window tint and its not bullet proof but bullet resistant.. they stood like 30 feet away and shot at it like 5-6 times and the bullet never went through, but did crack the window. they also hit the window with a bat like 3 times and it didnt break but the 4th time it slightly cracked... i know its not bullet proof glass but it would work. bullet Resistant film

scottland

You can break into a thirdgen in with a plastic ruler, and even if your car has shaved door handles and locks, by pulling the window out of its track all in under 3 seconds. As Kandied said, as long as the car has a door handle(inside or out) I could be in your car in 5 seconds. Get a pager alarm with loud sirens, and never be too far away from your car.

thepoz89

I have had two cars stolen. These guys are right. If they want it, they have it.

Here is what I did to combat theft.

1. Do not leave items in vehicle.
2. Get an alarm with a motion sensor and a glass break sensor.
3. Alarm should have a starter disable.
4. Alarm should have backup battery.
5. Alarm should have backup alarm in steel case so if the crooks diconnect your alarm the backup will activate with the battery encased in steel.
6. Always put on a column lock- the kind with a bar through the steering wheel that is padlocked on. boltcutters cant touch it because of plates that block this.
7. Come up with a few of your own tricks to prevent theft. I will not give up all of mine!

I have had my Firebird since 97. Something's workin'!
POZ