noarch

This is more of a discussion topic, because it won't be happening for me for a long time, and I was wondering if anyone has tried anything similar.
My long (long) term goals for my RS are to make everything SS.
This includes, a 350, removing all RS emblems and replacing with SS. (For the body kit I plan to cut out the R in RS and just replace it with a S probably from a junkyard car). SS Hood, Corvette exhaust tips, possibly a custom spoiler, and various other additions that would resemble a modern day SS.

FLYNLOW92rs

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I did it, however i refuse to put SS emblems on the car........TPIROC did the emblems to his car and they look great.......

tamatt27

Yes and both of their cars kick ***! Two different approaches to it, but both are great!

ShiftyCapone

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Check out TPIROC's car. It is truly a great looking car. I don't agree with SS cloning because there was never a SS 3rd gen. You wouldn't take a 1rst, 2nd, or 4th gen and make it an IROC would you? But if you had to do it consult TPIROC because he probably has the best example of what one should look like.

nolanr0413

i say go for it. It will prolly look good becasue ive seen tpirocs car and that looks good.

brodyscamaro

you can make the car look great though and still leave out the SS badges.....

like shifty said you wouldnt turn another gen f-body into an IROC. even if it looked good, the decals should have been left off of it

Zrated83

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No one would really clone an Iroc since that wasnt the "top camaro" The "SS" camaros were the ellite ones so I say go for it.

omnipotentgoku

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Granted their was no SS camaro of our time, the IROC was the closest we had to it. I say go for it..

vjo90RS8

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id say if you want to make your car into an "SS"..... SS 10 spoke or ZR1 rims (17"), Z28 high rise spoiler, SS hood, SS emblems if you want (there is a place, might want to search, that sells SS emblems). Id say thats all you really need and the car would look good.

ShiftyCapone

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By all means make your car look like an SS but just don't call it one. It is jsut heresy to me. The IROC was the top model for 3rd gens until they lost the contract. No different than the contract GM has now with SLP and their production of the newer SS's. SLP resurected the SS. The SS badging is like the type R sticker.

1bad91Z

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But, TPIROC's car looks good!

91Zman

but ahhh danielson that where you wrong..The IROC was the top dog til '91 for 3rdgens of course

FLYNLOW92rs

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With my car, I made what i thought the SS Thirdgen SHOULD have been in my mind........

TPIROC's SS Clone is the only one i have thought looked good, once he gets the new engine, dash and the other things he has planned, it will be one sweet clone.....

It's funny you mention the whole trying to turn my car into an SS because I took my engine straight out of the 1999 Camaro SS pictured below......

1bad91Z

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That SS looked easily fixable!!! You could have picked up the whole car dirt cheap and just repaired it!


Any progress or pics FLYNLOW92rs ????

05kcilS

bahhh, weren't the 90-92 iroc/z28s the same??? besides gfx and little add ons. other wise same w/ the drivetrainetc.

LO3Jeff

Well do what I do I have a 2002 SS as a daily driver. And a 92 camaro RS for strip. Right now the SS is faster cause the RS has stuff built up around the engine for a crate.

FLYNLOW92rs

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I wish man, no progress has been made and the wiring harness is still not in.........running on 2.5 months.......but enough about me, don't wanna hijack this thread.........You seem just as excited as me, i'll make sure to PM you the pics first..... :lala:


On a related note: What were you thinking about with the "custom" spoiler??

BirdsofPray

I think you missed his point, dude.

Simple fact is that a 3rdGen SS never existed, thus it would be all too easy for someone to call you out as a total poseur. When I had my RS, even with all my modifications, it was still a freakin' RS.

I mean, what is the point of designations such as RS, Z28, IROC, and SS if their only meaning is just the decals on your car?

Red87SC

IROC and Z28 are the same with different badges correct? i mean if you want the car to be an IROC instead of an RS then go ahead, no one is gonna care. ive seen SCs with z28 badges on them.

Zrated83

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I thought the 91-92 Z's were the top dogs but I guess the Iroc would be right up there with them too.

Yeah I get his point and see where he is coming from. There was never a 3rd Gen SS so you shouldnt call a 3rd gen an SS. I personally wouldnt have a problem with Noarch calling his car an SS IF he can back up the looks, performance, etc. Its unique and different. He shouldnt be considered a "poser" especially if he can back up the "SS" designation. Just my .02 though.

91Zman

uhhh I think that some of you misunderstood...what I was saying was that from 85-90(85-87 as far as suspension,brakes,etc.else and then in '88-90 no more Z28s,just IROCs) the Iroc was the top camaro then in 91-92 the Z28 was tops since there were no longer any IROCs in production...yeah a run-on sentence

BirdsofPray

No problem man, I respect your opinion.

My major issue is that someone labeling their 3rdGen an SS takes away a bit of the significance the designation was created to symbolize in the first place. Things like this create confusion and at their worst - a lame rip-off.

At the end of the day, no matter what you do to your car....the VIN never lies.

AutoX86Z28

i completely agree with that statement

Kevs87Z28

im not trying to get on Flyinlow92rs or TPIROC's bad sides but in my honest true opinion they are far from deserving the ss name on a 3rd gen. it never exsisted but yet bothe lack so much that really made the ss what it was.

flyinlow relies on a 4th gen engine and tranny if im not mistaken. just because you have an engine from an ss doesnt automaticly give you bragging rights that ur car is an ss.

tpiroc has a nice car yes i wont deny that but badges from a modern day ss vehicle doesnt give you bragging rights either no matter what mods you have.

to me ss is just too sacred to be shoved onto any car that can buy 25 dollar emblems. when someone says camaro ss i think of that classic muscle machine. nothing you or i can ever do to our cars will ever deserve those letters that use to mean something not like its a sticker anyone can have for the right price. it cannot be earned either.

its born ss and dies ss there is no substitute.:hail: <~to the ss gods

Kandied91z

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that's why the SS emblem resides on things like the v6 montecarlo and pickup trucks right.........because it's so sacred.

i can understand your point and agree to an extent. it's true the ss in its best form represents a very awsome "factory" machine but that's about where it ends. it's your cars, do what you like, i personally wouldn't put emblems on a car that it isn't but that's me. if it is done tasteful to each his own. just because some exec decides to put a particular brand on something doesn't mean it can't be changed, however mine is a Z and always will be.

tpiroc

I'm flattered to see my name appear in here a number of times, and hope to drop a few pennies in the hat. I had many motives for using the 2003 SS Silverado badges. First off, cosmetically speaking, the color, size, and style were precisely what I was looking for. Second, I do feel sufficient reasoning behind using them on my car and do anticipate “gruff’ for my logic.

Sigh... here goes (revision of previous philosophy); The third generation Camaro was never graced with a Super Sport model. However in 1985 Chevrolet presented the IROC package for the Z28. It was based on the Z28, however had larger suspension components, a lower stance, tuned port fuel injection, and the 700R4 transmission. Traditionally, Super Sport models were a package for the existing top model car, in the example of Camaros, traditionally the Z28. Now, if we agree that the Z28 was the best available in 1985, then we’d surely have to agree that the IROC was certainly the best available. Much like the SS model of just about anything in Chevrolet’s history was typically the best available, correct? Is it that outrageous for me to make that connection? Or is that just something to laugh at? I’m only trying to “defend” my car, an ’85. I won’t even get into when the ‘ROC was dropped, later model Z28’s, and 1LE cars and all that.

I do understand the heritage of the Super Sport, and appreciate it, but think that the criticism of creating a third generation SS is a little much. To me, that says you don’t think the third gen is worthy. I however feel it is a very worthy car, and a generation that should not have been disregarded for SS models. With my car, I like to think of it as what the third gen SS should have been; a cut above. I don’t mind the criticism, however I must say I yield more praise than negativity.

When I jump into my 4th gen interior, fire up my LT1 powered ’69 Camaro 327, and burn my ’03 18’s through a T56, I’ll be proud when someone looks in awe as the “SS” emblems as I cruise by...

noarch

Well I'm glad to finally see your car, after hearing so much about it. I share your philosophy and that's the reason I brought the subject to hand. I wish the 3rd generation had a true SS, as it has always been some of the best Camaro's on the road.

I completely disagree, I think the SS is a symbol of how awesome a car is. Also in my opinion the 3rd Generation Camaro is(can be) a classic muscle machine. As far as it cannot be earned..... I wouldn't hold SS to that high a standard. After all, during the early years of Camaro there were some models that could beat the SS, and they were "stock". (Yenko). So it's not like the SS is the almighty of muscle cars. I just think that a 3rd generation is deserving of the name.

pasky

A RS is a RS, no matter what you change on it. I personally wouldn't change my cars badges to call it an SS, but its your car and respect your work, just try to make it tasteful. I got a LT1 in my vehicle, but guess what....it'll never be worth anything because its still a V6 RS, but that dont matter because its gonna be fun having morons pull up to me wanting to start something thinking I either have a 6 banger or 305 . Anyways. TPIroc's looked good, but IMO im no big fan of SS, I always will think Z28 is the top package for the Camaro, SS is on a lot of Gm cars. Z28 is only on the camaro .

BirdsofPray

I feel it prudent to note, and of course I speak only for myself, that I wasn't trying to say anything disparaging about anyone's car. I'm usually not the type to unfairly criticise someone else's appearance modifications unless they're extreme or excessively foolish.

I merely felt like stating my opinion on decal designations and their significance. This has been a very interesting thread so far, reading the varying viewpoints.

PyRo9862

You cannot turn it into an SS simply because thats not what it started out as. Once an RS, always an RS, not that you cannot make your RS whip an SS, but its still an RS
Its like trying to make a LeMans into a GTO, or a roadrunner into a superbird. Did anyone see the wrecked superbird sell for about 17k on ebay? That thing had close to no useable parts, they paid that much for the vin, and the numbers matching motor. People are slapping SS badges onto first and 2nd gens left and right. The day I find SS badging on a 6cyl, I think i'm going to shoot the guy, especially if he swears its an original ss
Well thats my opinion anyway.

Abubaca

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If you put a 3.1 liter in an Iroc, it's still an Iroc, so the motor really has nothing to do with the badges. I hate the "If you can back it up, it's OK" argument. It holds no water.

The reason I don't like clones or misbadging is because it doesn't change what the car really is. Like BirdsofPray said, the VIN doesn't lie. It doesn't mean your car can't be friggin' AWESOME, it just means it still is what it is, regardless of badges. I totally follow the TPIROC logic, but to me, it's still not an SS.

If you're gonna mis- or rebadge a car, here's what I want:

Stand up for yourself and your car. Say that this is what you want and what you're gonna do. I hate people looking for approval so they feel they can justify a clone. Then they get defensive when so many of us are against it. None of us will ever agree on everything, so that means we're gonna have different opinions. Be proud of whatever it is you do to your car. Make up your own mind. The majority of us are against it, that's a fact. There's no point arguing it. If you're gonna do it, do it. But let's not discuss it over and over and over and over.

TPIROC: that wasn't directed at you. You're a perfect example of what I mean. You came up with your own idea, and ya did it. Good for you!

...but I still don't like the SS badges

MrDude_1

theres no such thing as a 3rdgen SS.

just like theres no such thing as a caviler type R


the IROC was the top one, right up until the contract was up... and even the Z28s after that didnt get all the cool handing stuff the irocs got.





IMO, keep the RS badges..... thoes that know cars will realize its not stock, and the idiots can remain ignorant.

unless you prefer the idiots to think you're "bling-bling fo shizzle" and the carguys to think you're a idiot. :lala:

tpiroc

A: It's all good, I intentionally did the whole thing in secrecy then all of a sudden POOF! I showed pictures of it painted, the stripes, the rims, the emblems, etc. I knew if I were to ask about any part of it I'd get nowhere. Some things you gotta do for yourself, and you won't please everyone.

B: See above; can't please everyone

Oh yeah, thank you for understanding my philosophy even if you don't agree with it, nobody apparently has

tpiroc

I've only had one problem with that, and it was a guy in a 1966 Chevelle I seriously thought was going to kill me. He looked so mad it was truly a terrifying experience. I'm glad we went different directions because I'm certain he would have wanted to "Run 'em"...

MrDude_1

lol, i can understand him being pissed... some people spend thousands more and hundeds of hours more work to get a true ss and work on it..... to them, its kinda degrading to just slap a SS badge on a non SS.




btw, just so you know, im just one of thoes guys who looks at it, shakes his head and talks to you about the rest of the car..... if you're a friend, i might rib ya about it once in awhile, but overall, i dont care what someone does to their car as long as it doesnt effect mine..

so the idiot reving or playing the stereo loud in the neighbohood at 3am causing them to want to make a noise curfew or somting.... i hate.

the dude with the wrong badges or wing, eh, i shake my head and talk abotu other things... i mean, if they're cool, they have other things done to the car anyway.

GOFASTER

I beg to differ...

I believe that designations will let everyone know what performance level your car is currently at. For example if you buy a stock, 305, slow, just for old ladies RS, then leave the RS decals on the car, hence letting everyone know, its a stock RS.

Now, if you got an RS and you upgraded everything to high performance (sush as TPIROC's SS) then what your saying with the decals is I have an SS Camaro with all the ultra high performance options. THAT'S IT!

Why leave RS decals on if your basically not running that set up (stock RS type) anymore? Really, if GM created an SS for the 3rd gens, then all that high performance stuff would have made that stock RS an SS.

Another example: You and your friend buy brand new 2003 Camaros, you get the Z28 and he gets the SS. What is the difference between the 2 cars???? THE HOOD and maybe the spolier and some decals. So you take your Z28 and change the hood and the wing and put SS decals on it, WHAM, you have the exact same SS Camaro as your friends, right?

Bottom line IMO is, decals just let everyone know what level of performance your car is currnently at (not they way it was when you got it and it was stock saying RS not SS). If you take the time and money to upgrade your Camaro with all the high performance options (that a 3rd gen SS would have gotten) then by all rights you can call the car an SS or whatever you want, after all you more than likely went above and beyond the SS relm and off to highly modified SS, which the closest sticker GM makes is the SS, so there you have it.


SEE SIG BELOW :-)

FLYNLOW92rs

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I'm not trying to get the SS name on my car, just saying that i'm trying to build what in my opinion the SS should have looked like.....

I'm not braggin that my car is an SS, If i wanted it to be an SS, I would remove the 4 badges on my car that say RS

But i will say that get me a SS off a dealer's lot and i'll blow the doors off it...... :lala:

PyRo9862

Its all in the VIN
And its so much more amusing when the guy in the civic thinks he is racing a stock 3.1 or 305, only to get his *** handed to him

Watch out for him though because next time he will be armed with more stickers and may win

GOFASTER

Uhmmmmmmmm

Good point.....

Never thought of it like that.....

Still like SS better, just has this smooth sound to it...

tpiroc

I would hope at the very least the 305 could hand his *** to him

GOFASTER

People keep saying, "it's all in the vin." Well, true, but I don't drive down the street or go to the drags to show off my vin??? (lol)

It's all in the appearance, besides, only us few on this board and a small pool of others in the US really know that GM never made a 3rd gen SS Camaro, so what's the big deal??

And for those who do know, well, just pull up to me and tell me I don't deserve to wear SS badges, but just make sure you brought your extra a-s-s, because I am going to hand it to you!!!

pasky

Yea, I mean the reason I say that is Myself, my brother in law, and my cousin all got into an argument about why they made the SS the top option for the fourth gens....

Personally I hate fourth gens but I gave a piece of my mind about it, my brother in law owns a 95 V6 camaro and agrees the Z28 should remain the top package. SS has been over used by all these other vehicles. It doesn't mean jack anymore IMO. The corvette doesn't have a SS.....I wonder why.

Z28 is always the top package in my eye, with the exception of the iroc which was the samething, it was still a IROC z28 :P. Besides Z28 sounds a lot better than SS.

Oh well, im not one to talk, I don't own either, but I got an LT1 that can put a beating down on some of them . Gonna be fun as hell looking for kills on sundays.

BirdsofPray

I think you missed my point, but then I really don't think it matters. It's obvious you subscribe to the "if you can back it up it's all good" philosophy, which is an interesting if a bit misguided mindset.

The designations mean nothing but what the original factory deemed them as meaning - thus a 3rdGen SS is completely devoid of any meaning.

I could place decals all over my Camaro that read "R-TYPE", and it would mean precisely the same thing. Nothing.

PyRo9862

Unfortunatly my step brothers stock civic beat my 305tbi several times
I actually have a clue how to launch now better than just flooring it now though, and ive replaced a bunch of small parts, maybie ive got the edge now.
Oh well, we will see whose car last longer with those 7,000 mile (yup you heard it right, non-synthetic) oil change intervals. Last time he wasn't even going to do it, it bothered me so much I went and did it for him. I guess whats that happens when your parents buy you a car and don't have a problem paying $3000 when you destory the motor.

As for the VIN comment, go look at prices. You will notice that the SS clone camaro's arn't selling for as much as the original SS (same goes for SS chevelles). Why do you think that is?

91Zman

Some of the early '91Z28s(probably just the L98s) had what the IROCs had,the wonderbar for instance

Dante93GTZ

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I just spent the last forever reading all of this. Personal opinion for those who care:

I personally don't feel that an SS badged 3rDgen is right. It does seem to me like a "Type R" badge... My other concern is turning anything less than an IROC or Z28 into said SS is even more of a slap in the face.

As someone else said, the VIN will always tell the truth. I think it makes more of a statement if you have a super fast, mean as hell RS than if you have all of that stuff on an RS and call it an SS.

Unless you're into impressing 14 year old kids who want Hondas, then don't do it, because no one else who knows much about cars will think of your "SS" 3rdgen as anything but a fake.

This is NO offense to anyone else, especially TPIROC. It is merely my pesonal opinion and should in most cases be taken with a grain of salt.

FLYNLOW92rs

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This comment hit it right on the dot........it's all about being the underdog

Abubaca

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GOFASTER:

I'd pull up to you anyday and tell you that you don't deserve the SS name. We'd race, you'd smoke my L98, and when I finally got to the finish line, I'd tell you that you still don't deserve the SS badge.

BirdsofPray

Yes, I made the "Type R" comment - save for I mistakenly called it a "R Type". Just goes to show my complete lack of knowledge about foreign makes, I suppose. I said that to make a point, not to make a direct correlation to the "Type R" designation. Perhaps I should've simply chosen another GM designation so there wouldn't be any confusion.

It was I, also, who mentioned the VIN numbers. I don't think it's necessarily important to maintain the factory integrity of our cars, as I enjoy unique custom modifications as much as the next guy. I simply think we, as devoted trustees of our respective f-bodies, should draw the line somewhere.

Naturally if one feels an SS 3rdgen (or even labeling an RS a Z28 when in fact it is not) has some sort of significance to that person - by all means knock yourself out. Just keep in mind it won't impress your car buff friends, or lend any sort of special glamour to your car.

novass

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The funny thing with all of this SS talk. You could get a 73 Nova SS with a 6 cylinder!! and Yes other years of SS could be had with 6 cylinders.... So so much for SS meaning top of the line!!

It is just a matter of perspective.