Hg

I'm looking into a new set of wheels/tires. I'm thinking 17s right now, and my car already has the eibach pro-kit. I'd really like it if I could get some 17x11's out back, but what wheels can I get in 17x11 that won't cost me an arm and a leg? I've seen the TTII and ZR1 and that's about it. Would anyone happen to have pictures of a red camaro with ZR1s? Also, does anyone know what I'd need to do to make 17x11's work? I know I'd need to roll the fender on the back, but I'm kinda afraid since I just got my car painted that it'd cause it to start chipping/peeling or something. I'd also need to beat the fender well with a hammer in a few precision places I think too. I also read something about messing with the lower control arms? Is this true or what? What backspacing/offset would I need for 17x11s? I've never really understood what backspacing and offset is so... I've been reading that 6 inches of backspace is what I'd need for it to look good. I don't want it to stick out from the fenders at all, just line up with it like irocdan's car. I'd still need spacers? Or spacers for ZR1's but not for TTII's? I like the ronal r15's also, and they're alot less hassle, but I'd love to get some 315s out back and scare people I've seen pictures of one car with 17x11's and they looked like they stuck out to me, it was a black IROC, I forget who it was. But then in irocdan's pictures it looks perfect. Maybe the other guy had a different backspacing and they stuck out or something? I just want them to fill up everything perfectly.

Has anyone done this? Is it that much of a hassle to get 17x11's in there or is it just rolling the fender lip, and a few hits of the hammer and only a few hours of your time, something anyone mechanically inclined can do? Thanks.

Hg

Nobody???

BTS88IROC

You might want to try giving it a little bit more time than 2 hours Or you could try a search, I've read stuff about this before.

Topless91RS

I'm runing 18x9.5's on my vert and it's tight, I know kandied91z did 10.5 on the back of his car, find out what he did!

gtabadboy

Dont even go with the 17x11's. It's probably not worth the headache and money especially since the paint is new. Im sure you will hit the fender lip on bumps. I got the TTIIs 17x9.5 all around 5.5" backspacing I believe. No problems at all. Just my $.02

brodyscamaro

rolling the fender lip is easy. i cut slits in it with a hacksaw about every 4" and then beat it up into the fender well with a sledge hammer.

88blkiroc

My buddy just put 17x11 ZR1 rims on his 99 Z and had to roll the fender lips. HE paid less then $100 to get it done and it came out looking great. You cant even tell they have been rolled. I say got for the 17x11's man. The bigger the better. call the wheel manufacturer and ask them about the proper backspacing and everything. They could probably help ya out some. I plan on running 18x11's out back and 17x9.5 up front on my IROC once i get the funds to purcahse the rims I want.

Christos

Nice. Where did your friend get his fender lips rolled? Would a tire-shop do this?

Kandied91z

iTrader: (7)

you will need to do more then roll the lip. you can fit them if you don't mind beating up the car.

i got rid of my 10.5's because i didn't want to have to do that. not only do they not look right without the modifications but they aren't much fun to drive with. if you plan to go that route make sure you make all the necessary body mods and then have the wheels built if you want it to work right. otherwise your going to have a set of wheels that just won't look quite right ex: fourthgen wheels.

my new custom wheels are only a 10" rear as that's the widest i can get them without any real major body mods and even the the fenders still need to be slightly rolled but with them custom made to the proper offset they fit much tighter.

good luck.

D M N

why dont you do this?

Jim85IROC

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Somebody else in the trailer park already did.

Wolfpack

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johnyIROC

I have 17X10 5.75BS Coddingtons in the mail... they should get here within the next couple days. I'll let you know how they fit, but I measured everything twice and there should be no problems.

FLYNLOW92rs

iTrader: (53)

Anyone have any pictures of what a rolled fender lip looks look, or any suggestions how one can do this at their house???

Kandied91z

iTrader: (7)

i wouldn't suggest doing it yourself seeing as how you can easily mess up your paintjob. if it is done correctly you should not be able to tell it's been rolled.

johnyIROC, put up some pictures when they come in.

D M N

wouldnt you also need to update the brakes? I mean wider wheels......

devianb

HG,

Didn't you just get some Firehawk rims? They aren't wide enough for you anyone. Id like to put some 11s on the rear, but the thought of all that work to get them to fit puts me off.

MrDude_1

you dont need too... but you can put better brakes to take advantage of the tire..



then again, the stock brakes outright suck anyway... if you want to stop better you can, but you dont NEED to.





as for what a rolled lip looks like, it looks exactly the same on the outside as it did before... but the part that sticks straight inward in the wheel well is now bent back on itself(and trimmed) so that it doesnt stick in so far... that way you can fit more tire.


to fit them in there, the top inner edge of the fenderwell will have to be bashed with a hammer for a lil more clearance.... if left there, the inside edge of the wheel will hit the wheel well on bumps.

FSTFBDY

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315's on 17x11's

I believe the lip is rolled and the inner fender well massaged

FSTFBDY

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D M N

thats awsome whos car?? :hail: :hail: :hail:

IROCFAST

iTrader: (3)

You can run 17x11's out back, but some think good looks should come easy. This is how to do it. On the forward portions of the wheel house, there is a bulge that needs to be recessed. You can do it several ways, but a large faced hammer (larged faced so it flattens it more evenly) something like a 3lb sledge. I used this because I didn't have to whack the crap out of it and it did not make the wheels house look like it had been in a hail storm. On rolling the outside fender lip, I would cut slits in it about every 2 inches, coming within about 1/8" of the outside of the fender. Go ahead and roll these up with a smaller hammer. You will need 2" spacers to run ZR1 rims front and back. You can really run about 6" of backspacing with other rims as long as you clearance the wheelhouse. After you get the rims on, take a baseball bat, preferably wood (much more gentle), stick the big end in between the rear of the tire and the fender. Have someone idle the car forward very slowly while you apply pressure down on the "handle" of the bat while rolling it in your hands. Repeat this a few times and it will stretch the fenders slightly and make more clearance for the tires to tuck inside the fenderwells. There are a number of places where you can get the spacers made, but check out this website for some good info on what spacers you do need. www.skulte.com

Backspacing is the measurement from the rear mounting face of the rim (where it meets the hub) to the inside lip of the rim. This tells you how much the wheel sets inside of the hub.

Remember, work the metal, do not beat the crap out of it.

Also, remember to weed though the numerous "opinions" when all you wanted was a "how to".

This is kind of a bad pic below, but this car has 335/35ZR17's with 17x12 rims...shows what you can do. This is Jamie Bassets car.

FSTFBDY

iTrader: (33)

I have a few more pic's of that car somewhere on my HD.

none are any better quality. Id deff. like to see more. I though he said those are 18's in the back though.

I'll have to dig out a link I thought it was Basset racing or somethign like that.

IROCFAST

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Check it out in the readers rides. They are 17's. 18's would look really bad though...esp 12"wide. By the way TPI, your car is killer.

LUVmy92

I got 17x9.5's and the guy who sold them to me lied. I told him 5.5" backspacing and he said sure... well there a little less then 5.5 and the first night out I hit a bump and up into the fender it went luckily no body damage but $200 dollar tire has been shaved a bit! Time to roll the fender!

BOTTLEDZ28

iTrader: (9)

running anything wider then a 10" wheel is asking for disaster if you are still running the stock 10 blt. an 11" wide wheel will have a very large contact patch. dumping the clutch, or grabbing second will be harder to do and the end result will be a lot more stress put on the rear and u joints since those wide tires will be hard to spin. I say this only becasue my buddy has 17x11"s on his 96 and he is always trying to grab 2nd and 3rd and the rear finnaly let go.

a 9 1/2 is a perfect size

IROCFAST

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you could break these weak A$$ stock rearends with volkswagen tires if you are mean enough to them.

MrDude_1

so in other words, you are saying its bad to have traction.


the 10 bolt is a weak POS that can bearly stay together with launching on normal street tires.


using a smaller width drag radial is just as bad as running a big wide tire.





i plan to run a big, wide drag radial. why? because i like traction. id rather go then spin the tires. 11" rears look cool. im not afraid to mod the car to make them fit. and im making enough power that i actually would see a benifit from doing so.

so what if i frag the rear? its obviously going to go when its transfering any large amoung of power.....

so either you granny around untill you can afford to break it... but buy a 9" to start with.


saying not to do it because if gives you traction just sounds stupid though.



a MUCH better responce for not doing it would be, it effects teh handling, and would make the car understeer more.......... since i dont drive 10/10ths on the street, and plan to use diff rims/tires to autocross, thats not a issue for me

IROCFAST

iTrader: (3)

Well said Mr_Dude, well said. Like I have said many, many times, when someone asks for a how to to many people give an opinion. Do they not know there is a difference?

Hg

MAN this thread has been brought back from the dead, and hijacked too lol.

Yeah, I have some Ronal R15s now, and although I made this post before I got them, yes... it made me crave even wider wheels/tires. But I think this is ultimately the best size.

Cla$$ic85

The lip is not rolled, the wells are pounded in a bit. Thats my buddy Daves old Z.

86IROCNJ

Any more pictures of it? Looks sweet!

FSTFBDY

iTrader: (33)

Thats All I have.. I knew the inner wells were beat in. Ive talked to him befor via e-mail. I thought the lip was rolled also. Guess not

My84TA

What about narrowing the rear end a bit? Especially
if you're going to get a custom built 9" or 12 bolt to
handle all that new found traction without fragging the
rear end. Just a thought, I don't know how expensive it would be, or if it would even be possible.

MrDude_1

thats not needed.


all that would do is make it so you need diffrent backspacing..... and cost you more money..


you COULD do it, but there is no reason to.

Pat Chamberlin

You may be able to take advantage of having the rear end made longer to delete the two inch spacers needed if you plan on going the Vette rim route. Spacers would probably be cheaper but are a strength compromise (longer wheel studs). Has any one heard about modding the lower control arms for clearance or is this a non issue for 17x11 Vette rims. Love the ZR1s and am planning on a set soon!:lala:

MrDude_1

as far as i know its a non issue. ive never heard of it being a prob before.

rather then mod a 3rdgen housing to be longer, a 4thgen bolts right in at the proper length...

the spacers arnt really a strength issue.... because they bolt onto the hub, and then the wheel bolts onto the spacer, they are just as strong as the wheel would be if the "spacer" was part of the rim.

Pat Chamberlin

The spacers must be made from a good steel then or are they aluminum? I'm just leary of the whole spacer set up but it is probably the route I'll take. Is the fourth gen rear any stronger or is it just a lengthened 10 bolt GM 7.5"?

MrDude_1

alum that is stronger then the alum that the rim is made out of.

unless you can rip the holes right out of alum rims, i think you're safe with these


the 4then rear is just as strong as the later 3rdens..... but they have a better Posi IMO.....

internally they're basicly the same though.... the gears, posi, ect all swap..

Pew

You don't have to take a hammer to it at all. Do this take a baseball bat and with the wheels and tires you have know. Stick the baseball bat between the tire and the fender lip push down the handle and roll back and forth till you get the desired effect. Works every time and its easy.

MrDude_1

so honestly... have you DONE that yet, or are you just copying what you read?





because that method doesnt work very well at all.

reilly8282

i think taking a baseball bat, and widening the fender is probably about the stupidest thing you could do to your car, and your paint, and your baseball bat. what do you think that will do to the paint? you think you could get that even on both sides? where would you stop? recipe for disaster.....the only time ive ever seen in done, is when i car got flattened on the oustide like when a car brushed the outside wall in circle track racing, not a 3rd gen camaro, with a wooden louisville slugger lol

Pat Chamberlin

Leave the bat for hitting home runs bro if you have the tools do it with a snips cutting slits and roll the lip back with some sheet pliers/vise or some light body hammer work. I just painted mine and would hate to have the thing cracking any. Haven't done it yet but seems the right way. Be careful with running the bat through there on a rolling vehicle too if done that way.

IROCFAST

iTrader: (3)

Lots of people giving advice that have not done it. The purpose of the baseball bat is not to flare the fenders, it is to roll the lip. Done correctly, it works great, I know, because I have done it. I had 28x13.5's on 15x10's and they almost never rubbed. I agree the way will work well also, but you think this will not crack the paint? Have you ever done autobody work? Anytime you stretch of bend metal to this point, the paint will crack. The only place it does crack, if you do it correctly is inside the lip, and it is not even visible unless you put your head in the fenderwell. A wooden bat is much less apt to cause damage than a hammer. Yes, the bat only makes contact with both the fender and the tire where the tire is most likely to contact the lip, unless you are an idiot, it is hard to screw up. When the bat stops making contact with either the fender lip or the tire...was that really that hard to figure out? Talking about something that you have no idea about...now that is stupid.

reilly8282

whooaa buddy, i think you need to chill out i didnt mean to make this an arguement, but cmon....no need to pick on my thread i just thought it wasnt a very intelligent idea to just go pickin up a baseball bat putting my car in drive and rolling it back and forth, relax, not harsh intentions involved

MrDude_1

i think id prefer the cut, bend and hammer method..... i feel like i have more control over it that way..

but if you get enough pratice im sure you could run a large dowel or somthing thru there... i recall a issue of hodrod in the late 90s where they did that with a yellow car.......

MrDude_1

couldnt find the one i was talking about


but heres a car craft how to on doing it the cut and hammer way:


http://www.carcraft.com/howto/1043/index.html

reilly8282

notice mr dude, that the car in the pictures paint is not finished either.....to me its just an all around scary idea of cutting my car, and paint.....id leave it to a body shops hands

MrDude_1

*shrug*


half the 3rdgens i see need new paint anyway



anyhoo, that wasnt the artical i was looking for, just one i came across...


and if you're scared of changing ANY aspect of your car, body, engine, trans, ect, you are usually better off taking it to a shop. one of the things you need before you work on stuff is confidence.


i dont mind cutting my car, because im confident i can do it without a prob...

reilly8282

i agree......good luck to whoever, just be positive before you do anything that you would regret.