FIREBIRD7777

well here are some of my thoughts, i want to see what everone else thanks, most likely i will do the roof scoop, becuase im crazy and i wacth to much monster garage

i was prepping my car for paint today when i was thinking i better get everything right or do what i need to do before paint goes down, so one ideal lead to another and i want a more agressive look, becuase the car has the front and back have looks ,but no middle,

well the ideal here is on doge vipers just a example they have a roof scoop, for air that runs to the brakes, to cool them off, well i want to do the same thing but instead run the air back up to the engine bay, and run it into my oil/trans cooler, im just not sure on the sides, keep in mind all of this would be blended into the body of the car, heres the concept, and some pictures,

everyone post a opion bad or good, i like to see what everyone thanks, or there ideals ?

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i dont see how you'll do this. sure you can put scoops on, but running the duct work just doesnt seem possible. you can do it with like 1" oval pipe or something, but by time the air gets to where you want it, its useless in my opinion. my camaro has nice factory ducting to get air into the air intake, work with something under the hood.

FIREBIRD7777

heres a ideal two scoops, like a tounea cover style, ?

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well i will be running the air into my trans/oil cooler, not my intake, that will be taking care of with the direct air from my ra/2 hood, allso the inside work will be easy, im planning on using about a 3 inch pipe, i dont have stock interior,

devianb

Sorry, but I don't like any of the scoops you mentioned. Scoops on the fenders, hood, and rear quarter panels would look cool though.

I think roof scoops on any car tha isn't mid-engined just looks goofy.

FIREBIRD7777

cool deal, see i personaly am not digging the quarter panel scoops, or atleast the ones i made, i cant find the right placement for them on the quarter panel, but im kinda fond for the roof scoop, of coarse i woudnt be going through all this trouble if i wasnt going to make this 100% funtional,

more ideal's opion's , anyone ?

devianb

Umm. How are the scoops going to be functional on a front engined car? I don't see the function in it.

FIREBIRD7777

the frist picture shows how i was planning on runing it, this is not air for my intake, , i have a ram air /2 hood,

devianb

Well, I think the roof scoop and sail panel scoop just create extra air resistance.

Pontiaddict

It wouldn't work, you'd be better off moving the cooler to the scoop than ducting the scoop's air to the cooler.

FIREBIRD7777

dont think it will force enough air in the tubes?

anyone else, i want all opions bad, bad, bad or good

BTS88IROC

So you want to run air thats pushed into those scoops from the back of the car to the front of the car? I don't see how it would work that well if at all.

FruityOne

If the cooler was in the scoop the liquid content would be cooled MUCH more efficiently then ducting the air to the cooler. It would also cut down on the wind noise. Rather than duct air to the radiator, why not put the radiator in the air-flow's path, its much more efficient that way and most cars are designed around that method. Our 3rdgens got screwed that way though, the cooling design wasn't the greatest.

FIREBIRD7777

see i thought about putting the trans /oil cooler in the trunk, and running the pipe that way much shorter,but i dont think i would get enough air, to do it justice, there fore , haveing to go bigger on the scoops, i tried to keep them low, not to look to out of place,

let me back up here, bascially this will be only one pipe to the cooler, allso one of my fog light holes in my bumber will have a pipe comming up and hitting the cooler aswell, i know i wont get full blast of air from just the scoopes, because the scoopes are'nt very big, just trying to find the combination of style/efficentness,

MetalliCamaroRS

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I dunno, it seems like a lot of work for very little benefits.

FIREBIRD7777

hehe yeah thats for sure, but i like that kinda stuff,

ok what about looks, nah or yeah, ***** or viper lol

CustomX

Wont work. Physics/math/science wont let "ram air" happen on 99.99999999999999% of all cars.

The best thing you can get out of that would be a CAI, but even then after running it from your roof to the engine bay (where you going to stick 3 inch + wide column of air on the roof, let aloen route it into the engine bay ina usuable fashion to where it wont heat up negateing any effect it ever had to begin with).


Brake ducts, those i could see working, but probably not worth it on a street car.

FIREBIRD7777

yeah agree brake cooling is useless on a street car, inless road coarse,

far as the pipe, it would go through the firewall in place of my blower motor, or somewhere around, well the 3" would get reduced to 2" around the seat and on forth,

mathmatics of it, with the amount of air comming in to the scoops to the distance its got to travel and push , very little air would come out i agree

buttt im curiours to see just how much air i would get ?

CustomX

You would get the same amount you suck in. in order for a true "ram air" effect to take place the air would have to compress itself and force itself into your intake manifold and hold that charge all the way down into the combustion chamber.

Unfortunatly that will never happen without the right scoop, tract and at speeds our cars (and 99.999999999% of all other cars) will ever be capable of attaining.

Thus the best thing (if any) would be a cai not a "ram air" effect from the setup at hand/ Pontiac is to blame about using the term for anysort of cai induction

FyreLance

Exactly.

And good luck not making it look goofy....

But, I'm always open to new ideas, so... :: shrug ::

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custom x, this wouldnt be for my air intake , , this is just some extra air blowing on my trans/oil cooler, ,

agree fine line on goofy and agressive, trick is to be able to get it flowing the the body lines of the car, , i might just give it a shot what the hell ,

anyone else

CustomX

RUN THE FRONT lines from the driving lights, and mold in scoops for the rear in the sail panel area.

Hvaing it twist and turn and come back up to the front is a no no.

MILT

LOL I as thinking of doing similar scoops on the roof pillars, I like how they look.

I was thinking it would be kinda cool to do a REAR mounted turbo setup--use stock exhaust, mount 1+ turbos in the trunk area, and throw a big *** intercooler in the trunk. Use the side scoops and possibly an underneath scoop to feed turbos and intercooler, b/f sending all that air back up to the engine. I like strange things.

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CustomX

Wont happen. the turbo needs fast moving air right out the combustion chamber. iAs the air goes through the exhaust it cools and slows down.

FIREBIRD7777

i like your imagination milt , if i had my way i have my 455 with twin turbo in, and semi tubbed

anyhow here are some pictures, of some work i did tonight, im not real sure on the angle, call me cazy but im kinda likeing the sqaure shape box, what do you guys think,

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I've seen it on some Neon running around. I"m sorry, I think it's completely stupid and just plain obnoxious looking.

FIREBIRD7777

lol dont be sorry man, i want everyone opion,

wow lots of views of the post, but not many replys, come on guys , comments, opions, suggestion,s

HamSpiced

very nice work....

It wont work man, im sorry.

The angles that you have your pieces will not give any amount of air enough gain to reach your collant lines. ive seen this idea put into practice on a Fiero but the roof scoops went to the engine in the back. it was awesome. ive reviewd your stuff but the angles that you plan to run your vents there is no way that air will reach the coolant lines unless you had some alternative force "helping" the air reach its point. for this idea to work i would suggest you run the ducts huge

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sorry for the poor ascii but thats the only way i think enough air will be forced in.

CustomX

You could always use coolign fans to helb blow air into the lines or brakes.

12 Sec GTA

Wow.


You sure like to do hard work for little gain.. But I have to give you props on actually doing it


I don't think it'd work.. But I'm not a physics major...


As far as the looks. Uh. No.

The box completely kills the look you're going for with the RA2 hood and the wing.

FIREBIRD7777

yeah i admit when i have doubts, and the roof scoop hasnt sold me totally, i probally pull it off, but im thinking of quarter panel scoops of some type, they dont see to look out of place, no matter where the placement is, strangely enough, hell even mustangs came fromt he factory with them , elenor

well hell i gave it a try, you nerver know how something will look till you try it, no harm done, its easy to pull it off , i didnt drill holes yet , nor would i, im not making that comment yet ,

anyone have the 2000 above viper picture they can post, somehow i think the viper can get by with it is they have a more rounded scoop, and the lines of the car just flow good with it, errr i wish i could work with plastic, molding ect,

89firechicken

i know some one that mounted their tranny cooler twards the rear end and they cooled it better by 10-20 deg. not sure if it will work on our cars because it was done to a vega wagon but it may be worth a try. you figure all that extra air under the car also it's away from a majority of the heat. the only problem is road debri but that would be simple to fix.

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you could do what some of does truck dragracers do and move the radiator to the back and cool it with does scoops

19doug90

The other thing is that would the increase in cooling give you a power gain that would offsety the drag that the scoops would create?!?!? Doubt it. I'm going to stand out on a limb here tho and say i really like the hood scoop. You have it positioned in a really nice spot just have to get it nice and even. Whatever you decide to do best of luck to ya.

SLP IROC-Z

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dont tell me thats a big pile of body filler that im lookin on comin off the sides of that scoop what are u thinkin man, **** like that belongs on ****.

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well ill say this...it is kinda ricery, but i think it would look pretty sharp once paint was put on and maybe some kinda grill made for it (dont wanna ge tthe ducting clogged)....im not too sure on how bug the tranny cooler is but you could possible make the scoop molded around teh tranny cooler and just run a tranny fluid line where you would be putting the 1" ducting....then teh air would be scooping right onto the whole tranny cooler...the big issue with doing this would be the size you would have to have of a scoop to make it so oyu wouldnt have to change the whole scoop when/if your tranny cooler got fugged up somehow.....really not a bad idea man and I gotta say if you were gonan do car shows with the interior you have and a nice fresh paint job, you could win over a few of the import judges to give you a few marks higher...the scoop would definately look more aggressive....

about the fender scoops...what are some good ones to use...i wouldnt mind doing it myself...I thought about using the same scoops that 4th gen 93-96 maros have on their hood on my fenders (just totally hollow em out to allow air flow)....now what about the rear quaters...any ideas on how to get those to look more aggressive, rather than just looking like plain ol 3rd gen quaters? I sure as hell have no idea lol and ive bene thinking on this topic for awhile....

you have some good ideas there man, I gotta say...but as many people said above I dont htink that a 1" or even a 3" ducting would give enough air flow to really do much of anyhting....now maybe if you wanted to remove your AC and have a totally custom AC this would be a nice route to go...just add a blower motor and you already have a cooler (fast moving air around the car) jsut add a good filter to prevent water form comming in and make your duct work and have a motor to create a vaccume from the outside in....and wammo you have a custom AC thaqt i am sure NOONE in the world has and oyu have also boosted HP by removing annother accesory form the serp belt...now how good htis ac will be, i dunno...but could be enough so when it rains you wont bake yourself.....

speedingpenguin

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go for it, but just make sure its functional. :-) i'd LOVE to see how it turns out........i think it would kinda look good, but it would probably look better on a fourthgen :-D

88blkiroc

do you guys realize this post is from april?

also, DMN, its spelled THOSE, not does. Does means multiple female deer.

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HAHAHAHA sorry

anubiscougar

hmm, i've also thought of this modification... but with the roof thing... your talking about 3 inch hole? um... dood, that scoop is massive, you could do like a 6x4 inch hole or something, let some real air in there, but... how your gonna get it down & all.. crap if i know, i've been trying to figure out the workings of it... only thing i can figure, is to make it funcitional, have about a 1x4 inch tubing line go from the top of the car down both sides, around the 6x9 speakers(possibly split into two, & go around), & then route somewhere else... i'd love to do this to cool oil, or... tranny fluid, but... the problem is, space in the back of the vehicle, without making it look like complete & total shiznat. I believe a dual scoop on the top would look sexy as all hell, kinda like the, i believe SV lambo... but not as high profile, more of a sleek, sexy little "hey i'm here baby" type of look, and yet have the "get the fck off of me" type of aggress.(aggressive attitude, i just made up the word, kthx.)...

I think it's very plausable, very doable, and very cool, i've though many times of doing it on my car,... i have also thought of custom molding some um... body styles for lower skirt type deals... BUt..... so much freaking work there, it's not worth it.

But seriously, it could work & for a more flowing way.. use carbon fibre, or fiberglas.. you don't have to have a billion degreess temp & pressure to cook carbon fibre, you get this epoxy stuff, quite interesting & easy to do.... just make sure you don't get it on the rest of the car.... i'd cover everything & take off the hatchback window...

I've also though, put a small radiator typed deal for something up there at the top... BUT, space up there is very limited, the T-top centerpeice is about 7 inches thick, & i'm guessing the pack peice is about the same, maybe 8-9 inches... not much to work with, and you have to thinkk, the roofing material isn't taking up much space... so you'd probalby see something comming down from the roof... would look.. bleh..

I'll look into this modification more when i tear out my roofing & replace it, and think about getting my baby painted, and after i get a model of my car(so i can work on modifications like this, w/o messing w/ my actual car.)

Have fun, happy moddings.

i like it... just not the square, try more of a ---\ look.
l8tr.

D M N

Why did you change your name?? kidrch