9T1 Z-28

Well said 1991 Z-28!

Seriously guys, the amount he has invested is well spent. Think about it, he has about $7000 in parts and roughly $3000 in labor. Do you have any idea how much labor is involved in this project? I just wish I could find someone who would only charge me $30 an hour for labor in Birmingham! Most performacnce shops are charging $65 to $70 an hour (rediculous)!

Der91Z

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You're on, i hope your ZZ4 can catchup to my 388 with the ATI D1-SC on there

Der91Z

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If you think u can do it for less, let me know.

Kat

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Actually yes I do know what is involved very much so. I've got 2 auto to six speed swaps under my blet. The hardest tthing is drilling the holes for the clutch master cylender and getting the u-bolt in for it. Other than that. It isnt that hard. ESPECIALLY!!!! If ya get eth spohn torque arm..

A engine swap in a engine swap. I've done everything from swapping a 350 to a 3.8 turbo to a 406. I think I know what I'm talking about!.

Kat

Kat

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I prolly could. I wouldnt charge as much for labor. If you want goto www.nethirdgen.org and ask people there about the kinda work that I usually do for people when we all get together and do something on someones car.

Kat

LT1guy

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For what 1991 Z-28 is getting, its not at all unreasonable. Can a faster car be built cheaper? Sure, if you do it all yourself. From the sound of it, hes not trying to build a street racer out of it, he wants a good performing car that can be driven and enjoyed daily. A new 4th gen cost over $23k, and runs 13s too...

89transam

Yea exactly, I mean the car should last for a long time right? Mabye not in the snow...but anyways what kind of new car can you get for $15 k? A Dodge Neon? Ford focus? Ill take the camaro anyday.

Der91Z

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Can't get much less than $30/hr, the $3k was to cover the exhaust and any other misc parts like plugs, oil, etc. So most likely this isn't even gonna cost $9k total.

1991 Z-28

took the words out of my mouth,

in fact i called about 400 freaking transmission shops and web sites and any kinda shop i could find and after about 399 of them laughing at me for wanting to swap a auto to a t56 because of how expensive it would be, thirdgenresource.com said ok well do it for 30$ an hour.... and anything else you want done, thats pretty damn good to me seeing as how i cant do any of this work myself

CrazyHawaiian

Be sure to keep all the parts he swapped out too. You can sell them off and use the $$ to buy some SFC's and some other stuff. You're car will be nice man, no doubt about that. It will have alot of power. Be sure to practice launching alone before you go race those guys. I would have done the buildup differently, but the only thing that matters is that you're happy in the end. And it sounds like you are! Enjoy the car!!

Der91Z

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don't worry, i'll give him some pointers for launching His only competition will be me, the other two won't even come close, no matter how bad he launchs. The WRX is bone stock and the altima has basic bolt ons. Hey Crazy, i love the supercharger setup you got. Its freakin sweet. I can't wait to install mine in 3 weeks.

TMoNeE

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is the tpi set up sold?

Der91Z

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the tpi setup on his motor is going with the motor. we figured it would make it easy to sell the motor with the tpi on it.

1991 Z-28

unless someone wants to just buy the motor which i have had some emails about, but for now im trying to get 1000$ for the engine, tpi, and 700r4 with 59k miles on em all.. hes got it all crated and ready to go to sell it for me, but im not sure about selling it in pieces

yeah crazy the first things im getting asap are SFC's and a new rear, probably a 3.42 from a 4th gen, i cant find any 3.73 or 4.10's so ill have to upgrade gears later

MikeH

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Very Nice! Thats gonna be a blast to drive with the Stealth ram and 6spd.

IROC212

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Hey man 10k isn't bad for everything installed. The average shop rate here is $65/hr. I ran into some kid at my work who dropped $6k on a POS 200sx turbo, and everything else to make it kinda work. "It should run low 12's" he says. Yeah sure; for how long? I especially like the sawzall treatment on the front fenders to fit the slicks on a wrong wheel drive car.
Anyway bad car man, I wish I had the funds to get mine together as well as yours is planned. All in due time I guess.
Tim

1991 Z-28

lol wrong wheel drive car.....

yeah it took me 2 years of pretty much saving extra money to do it all i hope its worth it, yeah thats what im told like 60-90 $ an hour on average and mine was 30$ an hour so im happy

1991 Z-28

UPDATE:

1. I just ordered a stock 4th gen rear off a 98 Z, complete with brakes

2. Just ordered Spohn Sub frame connectors!!

they are being sent to thirdgenresource.com and being installed next week before i pick it up,

i decieded i am going to nee dthose things asap i might as well just send them to him and he can install them, so i put up a little more money ...

plus i will have 4 wheel disc brakes now which is awesome
and i dont need my rear spacers for the vette rims!!!

if anyone wants a pair of barely used 1.75" spacers let me know

SLAYER6669

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I was thinking of just buying a 4thgen rear instead of bothering to spend like 150$ on the rear spacers.. What do fourthgen rears go for usually?

Zepher

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Anywhere from $100-400.
I paid $250 for the one that is on my car without brakes.
I got an LT1 rear brake kit from Speed Automotive for $100. Came with all the brackets, calipers, and rotors.

1991 Z-28

i bought my rear complete with brake system for 300$ then was 125 for shipping

from speedautomotive.com too

SLAYER6669

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Figured shipping would be a killer.. Might try to find one locally.. Seems more logical to put the 150$ towards a rear than towards spacers dontcha think? thanks guys

Zepher

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If you do have to go with spacers, get 4 spacers made for the front, makes it easier to sell the 2 off of the rear when you eventually get the 4th gen rear. That is what I did.
I actually sold my rear ones twice. Once to a friend on his 91, then another friend bought that 91 and traded me the wheels and spacers for some 3rd gen wheels, and I sold the spacers again.

Mark A Shields

You sound just like my brother, he'll get something, sell it, then trade back for it, then it's gone again

Der91Z

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OH YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The car is finally back, what a long drive it was. Its so insane, its not even funny. I'll let 1991 Z-28 tell the rest of it.

WillWood

Not only is your car gonna look fast, its gonna be fast.:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:

FLYNLOW92rs

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WE NEED PICS

preferrably of burnouts and reckless driving

9T1 Z-28

Come on now!!! Someone post something about the car! We've all been following this post for more than 3 months now. Don't leave us hangin' man!!!

TransAm12sec

I thought that was your car on there. I was like wow that looks familiar. How far is he now?

Der91Z

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The car is done, its back home in MD now. Its by far the loudest thing i've ever heard. I'm sure 1991 Z-28 will post either tonight or tommarrow about it.

Mark A Shields

Wait till you hear my car at WOT now

Der91Z

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only thing louder than this is open headers.

Wishmaster's87IROC

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DO TELL! DO TELL!

JimmyG-91Z

Oh come on don't leave us hanging like this

BTW I was bored and made a sig for you 1991-Z28

1991 Z-28

The Z is back and it is BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dreams can come true fellas....

details will come shortly, i will start a new post with everything, pictures, videos, the works, just need some time.... im breakin in the new zz4 now, car is the loudest, most bad azz thing ive ever heard in my life....

TransAm12sec

That would be a perfect gift for spring break if your on it right now. I know I'm spendig my time on my car!

BORLAZ06

Glad to hear that ur car is done. I cant wait for the vids

Mark A Shields

I know you're running Hooker LTs, but what's the rest of the exhaust consist of?

Oh yeah, and do you have to go thru emissions?

1991 Z-28

hooker long tubes, with no cats, and SLP loudmouth

yeah im basically ****ed for emissions i dont know what to do, gonna bring a couple hundred dollar bills with me to emissions and start passin em around see where it gets me lol, any ideas?

Mark A Shields

Does the loudmouth use a muffler?

2 years ago for emissions after I failed 4 times, I applied for an extension,haven't heard back from them. They dont bother me,Iwon't bother them

FLYNLOW92rs

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Forge an emissions certificate saying you passed, and lay low with the police....

Although i have never seen one before so i wouldn't know...

3 days and no pics??......

1991 Z-28

lucky bastard, well i dont think the loudmouth is a muffler at all, just basically hollow, i really need to figure a way out of this, and soon...

1991 Z-28

3 days and no pics??...... [/B][/QUOTE]

i like to keep the suspense on

Timz2882

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the loudmouth system has a resonator/wanna be muffler. its the size of a dynomax bullet muffler and thats all the system has.

maroon91rs

just a question and not meant to be a flame at all.but why didnt you do the work yourself?10 g's is ALOT to pay for work you coulda done yourself for a buttload cheaper.and you coulda learned a whoooole lot about your thirdgen and had a bunch of fun in the process.i only wish i had 10 g's to dump into my car.
nice car man hope to see it in person sometime.

Mark A Shields

He's probably in the same situation as me. No garage, limited or no tools. Kind of hard to do such an install without either of the above.

maroon91rs

true thats what i was thinkin.i was just curious though.a garage isnt typically NEEDED,but very nice to have.i have a garage,but its being blocked by our damn boat,and by the trailer alone while the boats in the water.hopefully this year my stupid dad will do something with the trailer so i can use the garage when it comes time to do the top end rebuild on the 305.if not,i got a tarp if i cant finish it on a nice weekend.in which that case i will kick myself in the face anyways for not being able to do heads,cam,manifold/carb swap,and headers in a weekend.:lala:

Ringmaster72

If being too loud is what you are worried about regarding emissions, there is a trick you can do. Just drill a vertical hole in each tailpipe, about a foot from the end of the tailpipe. Then stuff steel wool into ech tailpipe just past the two holes you drilled. Once the steel wool is past the hole, drop a nail or screw from the top in order to keep the wool from blowing out. I would advise you to not stuff the wool in the pipe until you are getting ready to take it in to get checked. I did this on my 68 camaro that I had because I failed emissions for being too loud, work perfectly

Tim

1991 Z-28

I didnt PAY 10 grand to get the work done,
it ended up being more like 11 grand, and only like 2 grand was for labor, there is also alot more stuff i did and put on, then mentioned in the list at the top of this thread... it was a good deal, yes it would of been cool to do myself , my friend alex (derfrank) on the boards could helpedme out in that situation, but its alot of crap, and i have another car and im in school i dont have time for that, but its all done and over with now...


as for emissions, im not worried about it being to loud, which it definetly is anyways lol, but someone just PMed me from MD said his friend lowered his car to the point where they couldnt fit it on the rollers and they waivered him for 5 years, thats what im looking into now, doesnt sound likea bad idea, specially if the guy is from baltimore likeme and has a thirdgen, im gonna go with this guy

1991 Z-28

a problem is my headers are literally an inch, inch and a half off the freakin ground, one is already banged up bad... hooker long tubes are probably not the best way to go..... so if i wanna lower my car, the headers will be resting on the ground , i need to figure somethin out