MetalliCamaroRS

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I kinda like it actually.

devianb

I am planning on doing a 5th gen Trans Am based on the 4th gen. Any suggestions?

UncleMcGee

Really nice drawing. Not a big fan of the side mirrors but its cool as long as you get some engine mods in there. I say build it.

Mathius

deviab, are you actually talking about doing it with all the extra flaring you added, or is that just because it's your drawing? What I mean is the way the air vents on the front spoiler seem to stick out a bit further than stock 91-92, and the way your SS hood seems to be more like a cowl hood with the front cut out and lowered. Was that intentional, or is that just your drawing style? I really like it, but you're talking huge dollars if you mean to add all those custom parts. I'd do it if I had the money tho, it would look great.

Mathius

devianb

I have base Firebird right now, which you know only has a v6. I am also in college right now so money is a bit tight. I did the drawing on the condition that if I bought a thirdgen Z28 with the TPI 350, I would go all out for it since it is a relatively fast car. Everything you said, I did intentionally. I do plan on doing something to my stock Firebird hood. It won't have a scoop, but it will definately have some vents in it to let hot air out, but I don't want it to look like a TA hood.

The Camaro drawing as a whole would be huge dollars, but doing just one of the mods on that car would not cost a whole lot.

86IROCNJ

Maybe for next year i'll do the front lip! I am liking the rear bumper too.

devianb

Would you reccess the front lip like in drawing? I know how you Camaro guys scrap the front end even at stock height, which is why I indented the front lip to help avoid that.

86IROCNJ

Yeah, other wise i would just put on a 91-92 front lip right! I would try to cut it out a bit and exaggerate the indent too! As well as the sides by the front tires with some fiberglass patch and bondo. Or something to get the added shape. It looks pretty damn good. Reminds me of an aftermarket front end for the 98-up camaros, forget which one though. For the rear bumper you could just cut it out and try to put a piece connecting the two sides. I think Borla tips would look good. Any other ideas of how to make YOUR concept a reality?

devianb

Actually, your way and a bit a money could make the concept into reality.

86IROCNJ

If you try it yourself, it might not be that expensive! You just need to get quality products to do the body work since that is what holds a good paint job together! I am sure if you have a body shop do it, it will cost you because automaticaly they see "custom work" and they can price it however they want. I think i would be able to do the front lip and probally the rear bumper with some patience!

kidcamarosc

looks awasome:hail:

i really love the ground effects

joezero

That's ****in' awsome. So what are some of your other concept drawings like that you said people would be "outraged" about? I always thought that it'd be interesting to take that sort of "rice" styling and do it to an american muscle car. That way when you pulled up next to a civic, you'd be like, "yeah, I got a sweet *** body kit, and a 350, what are you gonna do about that?" Sort of like beating them at their own game I guess.

Sonar_un

Beating them at their own game.. HAHAH, thats awesome

fast83camaro

I think it looks sweet, now if only i could find some ground effects..........

1991tealRSt-topGuy

to me rice means: making your car look like a sport-compact import or domestic...............rice is usually made from an entry-level car that a maker sells (honda civic), its not limited to that though, its basically taking a economy car and trying to make it fast, just the styling of that orange car has alot of "*****" features to it, i'm not trying to be an ***, but...............look at all the unnessacery scoops and what not, and the front bumper cover........................being different doesnt make you rice..........following import trends, in my book, does.

Azure

The stock bashers are almost strictly in response to those who think throwing a cowl hood on an otherwise stock 3rd Gen is customizing. Regardless of how the stuff looks to some people, it deserves being said that those on here who 'customize' their car and put up with the ignorant BS they find here deserve recognition, if only for their tolerance of those idiots. Sure, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but when you deal with type of thing all the time, I imagine it gets pretty tedious...

I think the kit is a bit over-the-top, almost a bit too stuck-together...needs to know when to say enough is enough with the acessorizing. Modern looking, though.

devianb

I thought you weren't going to comment. You have to narrow your definition of imports styles down. I think you are referring to the Asian style imports. Remember that Lamborghinnis, Ferraris, Porsches, Jaguars, BMWs, VWs, Mercedes, etc, are imports too. I admit that a lot of the things on that Camaro were unnessary. I have sort of a compulsion of decreasing engine bay temperatures, which is why I added so many vents.


When I do the 5th gen TA, I will be sure to tone down the styling a bit.

devianb

Who cares what someone does to their cars. If you a car that just looks retarded, laugh and move on. I see cars around campus that have aluminum wings, multiple decals, stripes, and so on. I just laugh and go about my buisness. If it makes them happy, then let them run with it.


It doesn't matter what kind of car it is, there is always going to be people who like it, and people who don't. That's cool because every one has different tastes.

TransAm12sec

Its different. I have yet to decide if I like it or not. Looks nice though.

Jim85IROC

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Did you read what I wrote? Nobody criticized stock looking cars, but plenty of people criticize us "dorks" that like stock looking cars. My point was (which seemed to completely elude you) that you were taking a shot at people that don't like modified cars, and I was simply pointing out that criticizing them doesn't make any more sense than those who criticize others for ricing up their cars.

As for modifying my car(s), all of my visual mods were done out of necessity. The IROC needed a hood, so I bought a cowl hood. It weighs less and keeps the engine bay about .0000001 degrees cooler.

The only reason that the GTA got a 4th gen spoiler is that I needed a spoiler and a brake light, and that spoiler had a brake light built in. I saved money by getting that spoiler and felt it was still conservative enough to pass the "Rice vs. Nice" test.

pardonme2711

here is sorta what you are going for but more realistic.

1991tealRSt-topGuy

jim- i dont think you need to be so defensive

your car doesnt have stickers all over it or huge aluminum double decker wings.....................your IROC has a nice hood and your TA has a nice spoiler.......ITS NOT OVERKILL.........ricers are into overkill.......see what i'm saying folks?

Mark A Shields

Ha, good friggin luck. Ever look at 3rd gens, specially Camaros the front gfx, they're all scraped up from hitting pavement. Add that extra length in the front, and it's goin to get cracked and smashed up.

devianb

Personally, I think that would be less realistic for a daily street driver. What I was going for was a stock style 92 air dam with the front part pushed in a little further, not the sides flaired out like in that photshoped image. The whole point of the design was to help avoid the possibility of scrapage when pulling into a driveway.

pardonme2711

sorta like this?

pardonme2711

try it again

pardonme2711

here i even made it orange

85_ZED28

I wish I could draw!

pardonme2711

i even tinted the windows for ya

devianb

Hey pardonme2711, that is exactly what I had in mind. The only reason I made the car orange was because I wanted a bright color that wasn't red or yellow and besides, I have only seen one orange Camaro in my life, otherwise I would have made it my favorite color- blue.

devianb

Even though I have been drawing since the age of 3, I did not learn how to draw cars like that until I was in highschool. It took me a while to get the hang of it. You could do it too if you practice.


Drawing comes in real handy when you want to quickly see how something will look on your car without having to spend so much time with Photoshop or some other photo editing program. I find it very hard to draw any car to look extremely aggressive without having a little bit of Asian import theme too it.

joezero

has anybody tried photoshopping that little clip at the top of the headlight pocket that devianb had in the original drawing? I've never used photoshop to alter pictures like that so I'm not sure how hard it would be, but I'd just like to see how it'd look. I'm gonna have to replace my front bumper and am seriously considering doing some of this to it when I replace it.

devianb

How's this.

devianb

How's this.

devianb

Whoops, sorry about the double post

omnipotentgoku

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If I had one.. i'd customize it like this..







oh wait... I do... and .. I did...

devianb

That is pretty nice too.

joezero

Is it just me, or does that make the front end look more like an early forth gen, minus the excessively pointy noise? Hey omnipotent, are those vette rims? They look really good.

devianb

It does kind of look like the early 4th gens. Yep, those are Corvette wheels. I have not seen too many on 3rd gens.

redraif

I'm sure I'm concidered one of the *other* customs....

But to add my .02...I like it alot. I think it still holds true to being a Camaro in the styling, but gives it that extra...ZING. Good job Devian. And actually in my opinion you drawing does not look too hard to bring to life. Not necessarily that pricey, just a bit of time & work....if you do it yourself.

Now when I get the V-8 in and start looking to redo my frt bumper cover...you and I have to put our ideas together.

LT1guy

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I guess you're talking about me, with my "stock queers" comment...but in all fairness, how many people on this site criticize each other for having stock appearing anything? Zero. I have done it a couple times to make a point, but only when someone is having a fit because someone tried to get creative with what is a worthless, mass produced car to begin with. No one is cutting up Ferraris here. Look at my SS...its stock appearing...but my tastes have changed, and I no longer want to have a car that gets lost in mall parking lots. I want something different. If you want to look stock, or mostly stock, fine...your choice, I can appreciate that. The people on this site who like customs, and actually think the 20 year old ideas of a bored GM designer can be improved on, just get really tired of being called "rice" by every idiot who drives a stock appearing F-body. Its ok to modify everything else, but body parts are off limits? Screw that.

BTW Devian B I like your concept and hope you build it. If it pisses a few people off, so much the better !

Scania

Front looks good but you could do some changes to the backside of the car.

joezero

I don't think that you can let production numbers determine wheter a car is worthless or not. Personally, I think that ferraris are overprice. And you know what, Ferrari intentionally limits the production numbers so that the demand is 10xs greater than the supply. And what about a car like a 67 Camaro or a 64 1/2 Mustang? Those were mass produced cars too. The point is that they're not mass produced anymore, and every year more and more are sent to the junkyards. Same thing with these cars. I don't think the question is whether or not it's o.k. to cut up a mass produced car, it's whether or not using a third gen f-body as a platform for a custom ride is a cardinal sin. And I think the fact that I can go out and pick up a v-6 camaro for 1K, I think that makes an excellent platform for a custom car. There was another post about how outraged people were that somebody would take an f-body and chop it up to make an evoluzion (sp). They couldn't get it through their heads that they were really just using an f-body chassis as the platform for a totally different car. It's really the same thing at work here, people still aren't sure if it's o.k. to use the f-body for a platform other than racing. I think we can all agree though that down the line nobody is gonna miss the stock civics that were torn apart to build rice rockets. But 30 years from now, will there be the kind of following for 3rd gen f-bodies that there is for 1st gen? I dunno about you, but I'd fell kinda dumb putting a big wing and neon undercar lights on a 67 Camaro. But I feel no regret about potentially turning my 88 camaro into what some may consider a rice rocket. Which reminds me, Tenzo rally seats come in tomorrow, woohoo.

LT1guy

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Production numbers are one factor, but I meant more what the cars are worth now. Do a search on autottrader.com and see what a late 80s TA brings...sure, there are some nice ones in the $4-6000 range, but I was able to find two heavily optioned 350TPIs for less than $3000! The really nice cars, mostly unrestored originals, will probably be fairly collectible in the future (though age is no guarantee...look at the late 2nd Gens, they're still not worth much), but the others probably won't. Sure, the reproduction parts market is better than it used to be, but GM discontinues stuff for these cars every day. Some more complex items, like wiring harnesses, will probably never be reproduced, esp since the numbers of these cars is dwindling...the salvage yard I go to most of the time crushes 10-15 3rd gens every three weeks. There are lots of these cars that will never be restored, and can't be properly restored anyway due to a lack of parts. Its not as simple as a 67 Camaro. Rather than see these cars get crushed, or run into the ground by someone who sees it as just transportation, don't give somebody crap because they want to create something a little different from it. Build an Evo if thats what you like, or mod the body yourself, or whatever...just do SOMETHING with the car! A guy in a stock F-body may hate the custom F-body because of the changes that were made too it...its "rice", or whatever...but keep in mind that anyone with a nice car is going to buy repro weatherstrip, suspension parts, carpet, etc, and by doing so they're helping the hobby. They're keeping another F-body out of the junkyard, supporting the aftermarket, and yes, creating interest in the cars. My girlfriend's car always gets lots of attention from kids, and I can't help but wonder if the memory will stick with them and they'll buy an F-body when the time come.

devianb

I support any effort to keep a thirdgen out of the junkyard, even if it means that the car doesn't look attractive to me. On the topic of Ferrari, the only reason that Ferrari still makes cars is to fund their racing team. They don't have the extra capital and equipment to mass produce cars at a lower cost. Of course Ferraris are overpriced and limited, that's what makes them prestigous, valuable, and exotic. It is a big deal to actually be able to own one. Ferrari has to maintain a reputation you know. You would think it would be easy for a company like Ferrari to make an affordable car, but it's not. If you think Ferraris are over priced, how about the McLaren coming in at a cool $1,000,000.00.

LT1guy

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Would I pay that much for a car, even if I had the $$$? Heeeeellll no! Still, they're probably sold at a loss, if you figure the R&D, materials costs, certifications for emissions and crash tests, materials, labor, etc. My point was that lower production, more desirable cars have a better chance of appreciating than do mass produced cars, esp more basic models of those cars.

devianb

I like to go fast, but I don't think I want spend a million dollars to go fast. You could buy a small mansion with that amount of cash. I would never buy a car brand new, since they depreciate by 40% the moment you drive it out the lot. Your point is true, especially with antique cars. Look at the Bugatti Royal. It was one of the few cars in the world that did not depreciate in value. It cost $20,000 back in 1920 or somewhere around there and the last time I heard it sold for over $9,000,000!

1991tealRSt-topGuy

maybe theres people that can appreciate these cars the way they are...........i think if i was into all this modifying, i probably would have bought a honda, but i'm not because to me it seems cheesy

"MODIFYING" a car doesnt make it rice............

when you put a cowl hood or a 91/92 Z28 spoiler on your F-body is not "rice"

when you put custom rims on your car it is not "rice"

redraifs car is not "rice" at all

i dont care for it, but its not rice

when you go and start adding shogun body kits and big aluminum wings.......then your in rice territory

also, you have to stop putting words in peoples mouths............

LT1guy

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I was merely clarifying something from an earlier thread...not taking offense, criticizing stock appearing cars, or anything else. I can appreciate a clean stock appearing car as much as anyone, I just don't care to own one any longer.

I agree with you on your definition of rice, and wish more people did. A lot of creativity around here is squealched because some people fear being labeled rice.

devianb

There is nothing wrong with a stock looking car, they are great, but for some people like me, I feel the need to personalize my car so that people know that it is mine. I am big into customization, but I still would not get a Honda to do it. I would do it to something like a 300ZX or a Supra, which are already quick cars.

Adding ground effects, body kits, wheels, hoods, and wings does not make a car rice, it makes it personally customized by the owner. What makes a car rice IMO is when you put manufactures stickers, decals, and stripes all in combination all over your car then drive it like it is the fastest car in the universe. I plan on adding ground effects to my 2.8l Firebird. I know it isn't and never will be as fast as any V8 Fbody, but why can't I improve the appearance? Besides, it's not like I would drive faster once I add them on. Too many people follow a trend and do stuff because other people think it is cool, that's what I have a problem with.