TRIGGA

http://www.procarparts.com/store/dis...8289IROC-85MPH

I think I'm going to cry

I finally find them, and it is only for the 85mph gauge!

TRIGGA

they also sell reverse indiglo guages for firebirds/transam

http://www.procarparts.com/store/dis...8289FIRE-BLREV

Jim85IROC

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I couldn't find an email on that site (except for the webmaster's). If you can come up with an email addy, maybe we can start bombarding them with email. Hell, I'd be happy with just getting the pre-cut EL sheets & electronics so I could throw them behind my Macewen overlays.

86IROCZ

They're not quite what I'm looking for, I wan't the reverse ones. But here's the addy.

ProCarParts
4364 Baldwin Ave.
El Monte, CA 91731 USA
Phone: 626-350-0286
Fax: 626-350-0390

E-mail: customerservices@procarparts.com

Jim85IROC

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Thanks for the address. I sent them this email:

As the webmaster of the IROC Homepage (http://iroc.fbody.com) and an IROC owner myself, I've been trying to get indiglo gauge overlays made for our cars for a while to no avail. I see now that you're carrying them with the 85mph speedometer overlay. I wanted to know if you had plans to produce them with the 145mph speedometer overlay and with the 5,500 rpm redline tach. I was quite surprised to see them only offered in the 85mph style because only the low-end Camaros had those speedos. The vast majority of the IROCs and Z28s had 110 and mostly 145mph speedometers, not the 85s. Anyway, I wanted to know if you had any plans to make the overlays for the 145 speedos, and if not, whether you would be willing to sell the pre-cut EL backings & associated electronics so that myself and others could use the 145mph overlays that are available from other places. There has been a great deal of discussion on my message board and others about indiglo gauges, and there has always been a tremendous amount of interest. It's great to finally see some show up on the market place, and now we all have our fingers crossed that you'll produce them in the more popular styles. Thank you.

--Jim Irace

twiztidz28

I would buy those in a heart beat. I am going to e-mail them to. Thanks jim

twiztidz28

Just sent them a long e-mail like yours. Hopefully they will make them.

MacEwen

Guys,

I doubt they could pick a 1985 IROC out of a lineup. LOL.

Boy, does that kit look awefully familiar!

They would be hard pressed fitting that kit to a 1982 Camaro, or even a 1989 Camaro. In fact, that would only fit 1985-1987 Base models. None of which had the 5.7L tach. That tach in the photo was NEVER mated with an 85MPH speedometer.

This is same company I told Jim about months ago. They made a kit for a 1997 Z28, and claimed it fit 1996-2002. Quite impossible.

I am working on an EL kit for 3rd gens. The problem is the market getting flooded with overseas parts. The pricing on my EL kit would at least cost double that price. One difference, besides the kits being correct, is that they would be made in a first world country. More importantly one that soesn't have missles trained on us. OK, I'm straying off topic. LOL.

Would any of you be willing to pay DOUBLE? The benefits would be an EL panel more than double the lifespan.

Lifespan? Yes, EL burns out. In fact I have one of ProCarParts 1997 Z28 kits. The EL in the on/off/color switch burned out in random spots. This was on an 11V PWR SUPPLY in the best of conditions.

Our kits would use Osram-Sylvania encapslated phosphors which are far greater life expectancy. This is because each phosphor particle is encapsulated to resist oxidation/humidity.

TRIGGA

I would gladly pay double, but do you have a time frame in which you will begin selling the reverse indiglo gauges?

Jim85IROC

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Ryan, I had about given up on you! I hadn't heard anything in months from you about whether these were still happening or not.

Personally, I'd rather buy from you provided that I'm getting my money's worth. I'd rather buy from the "little guy" so to speak, and I already know that you build quality stuff, not the junk that other places have. Would I pay double? If your EL sheets do in fact last twice as long, and because of the fact that your overlays are more technically accurate, I'd say yeah. Add to the fact that my previous dealings with you have been so positive, and I'd say that I'd definately be willing to pay a premium.

I think the sucess of your white overlays is proof that plenty of people are willing to pay more for a better product. There are plenty of DIY overlay options out there, but I assume that yours are still selling well because of the quality and your reputation.

twiztidz28

I would have to aggree. I would pay double for a product like that if you were to complete the one you are currently working on. I like my car to stand out and those stand out. keep us posted on when they are done and how much they will be.

bj350hp

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wow that kits perfact for my car. Cous i have a 87 Base camaro with a LG4 and that dum 85mph speedo. And that tach in the pic is not that off cous my Tach Goes Yellow at 4500 and Red lines at 5000. so only 500rpm off.....

MacEwen

Guys,

Here is a little update.

I have reopened this 3rd gen EL dial project. I have spend 4 days on this thus far.

I have found quite a few technical flaws in the competitors part relating to the lamp alone. There are several areas were the part was die cut through the phosphor itself. This leaves it open to arching and oxidation.

Secondly I found several occurances of arcing in the surface mount connector.

There is no question, what is being put together by me will be of a higher quality.

One question I have for you all is regarding the inverter. Is the selection of of colors important to you?

This relates to the selection of inverter. It is the inverter that changes it's output frequency to drive the lamp to glow non-native colors. The inverter is chosen last. However, the more features to the inverter the higher the cost, depending on it's origin.

Jim85IROC

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Why not offer a couple inverter choices at different prices? If inverter selection doesn't require additional changes, it should be easy enough to offer a simple and an advanced model.

I'd also give my left arm for a red EL kit, but I'm not sure if there would be enough interest from others to warrant the production changes.

Jay87Z

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How much is double the price? Going by the link about I'm guessing double means about $120? Thats a fair price. All I have heard is good things about your white face gauges, so I'm sure paying more would get us a great product.

I have a question though. Do you have any plans to make a gauge for Camaros that has number that light up? I guess like an indiglo gauge where the only part that glows is the numbers? (esentially making the stock cluster lighting no longer necessary) I'd really like that. I'm sure there are more people like me that think an entire gauge face glowing green or whatever is a bit extreme, but thinks it would be sweet if just the numbers and stuff did.

I guess similar in function to the new Autometer Cobalt series gauges.

I also always hoped someone would make white overlays that were a different style than the stock one. Like maybe with a more racey look to them. Kind of like changing the text and lines to look something like alot of Autometers look like.

Just some ideas I thought I'd throw out on the table.

twiztidz28

I am with Jim. I would give my car for a set of those. It would look damn good in a red car like mine

TRIGGA

the type of gauge you are talking about is a Reverse Indigo gauge

only the numbers light up like this

Brian K

Do they sell them if you have a 110 speedo???

Jim85IROC

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I like those except for the big stupid green donut at the center. If it was just the numbers and lines I'd like it a lot more.

MacEwen

Guys,

Well they are giving the fourth gen kit a bit of a styling change. I believe they are trying to mimic chronagraph styling. I personally dont have any objections to it. In some vehicles it does look out of place.

Nowhere on that Camaro overlay do I see a provision for a high beam indicator.

I am awaiting delivery of a few of their kits ("82-89 Iroc"). Based on the mock ups I have done thus far, I don't see how that would even fit (well). They are uncomfortably close to my copyrights.

The contacts on each EL lamp should NOT be soldered. This breaks down the EL at on of the crucial points. I have devised a way around this for most lamps (dials). There is even enough room in that cluster to fit most inverters. It may very well be possible to eliminate external wiring (12V source).

Jim, as far as red goes... EL's native color is the bright green you see in the "donut" around the needle on there 4th gen kit. That is the brightest output color for EL. There is a "red" phosphor available. However, it is really pink. None of the other EL colors are half as bright as the native green. Even white EL is dim in comparision. The only way to obatain a real RED, is to cover it in a transparent pigment. This produces red by filtering out all wavelengths except red; white, blue, green light. That leaves your with a gauge which isn't even close to the green in brightness, or if light pigment is used, it leaves you with pink.

Whats odd is that they knew the "1997-02" kit will not fit 99-02's for a year now. They have yet to offer a correct part for those 4th gens either.

Jim85IROC

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Ryan, if you were to make a ballpark generalization, how bright is a white EL sheet with a red lense over it in comparison to the red bulbs in a traditional setup? I've got your white overlays with the red 194s installed in my dash and it's plenty bright enough. Honestly, most of the Indiglo stuff I see is WAY brighter than I'd want. I see ricers drive by with a green face!! I'd prefer something with around the same lumeniscance as the stock stuff. I don't really have this fascination with the "oooh-ahhh" effect from the Indiglo. I just want the Indiglo because a back-lit gauge is much easier to read than the stock style. My red bulbs make the white gauges look great, but it washes out the numbers and makes them somewhat hard to see.

irocbarry

MacEwen

i have to disagree with you on one thing, the tach in teh picture is the correct tach for my 85mph speedometer in my 85 iroc with the l69 and five speed.

if you came out with a set like Jay87z is talking about with the numbers and lines lighting up only i would be very interested

MacEwen

irocbarry,

In your case, I would have to stand corrected.

I have had very few requests for such a combo. I was always left with the impression that their OEM tach was 5.0L. There are some HO305's out there that run with 5,500 redlines. But typically those were Vin code F, models with the G92 setups (1987-92 5.0L.)

Jim,

I understand. The white EL is about 30-40% the brightness of the native green. It is not even pure white. It has a purple tint to it. Now given the EL's brightness drops to half of original (new state) at the first 30% of it's lifespan (and fortunenately stays there until immediate death)... Using a white EL phosoper is not a consideration for me at the moment. However a red filter over green is something I will look into. These kits will be warrantied.

I never considered that asain brands would venture into 3rd gen territory. I certainly have considered EL as an option in the past, and created a few prototypes. EL seems to be the right choice in keeping my lead in F-body coverage.

In fact the nature of EL providing it's own illumination source may help to consolidate the some 135 part numbers I have. :-) At least in a few cases (1990-92, and 1993-1996 Camaros).

Jay87Z

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I agree, the big green center would be way too bright for me to look at every night. I would love a set that just has the numbers light up just like that 4th gen set, but without the green center.

camarosource

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I too would be *VERY* interested in purchasing a Reverse Indiglo if the numbers lid up.

How much would you estimate and how long would you estimate until public production?

camarosource

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Anyone been able to contact them? Both email address are being returned as

Recipient: <webmaster@procarparts.com>
Reason: 5.1.1 <webmaster@procarparts.com>... User unknown

Recipient: <customerserivces@procarparts.com>
Reason: 5.1.1 <customerserivces@procarparts.com>... User unknown

Not a very reliable site considing half the images are broken in the thumbnail pictures.

camarosource

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Does anyone have a picture of the Macewen 1990-1992 Camaro White Shifter Overlay 4-Speed or ANY of those in the dark?

I'd like to see how they look at night when the light under the shifter shows through.

Thanks

camarosource

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Lifespan, what kind of lifespan do the EL's have (1 yr, 2, 3, 4, 5? 10?) and compared to the Osram-Sylvania encapslated phosphors ones? (1 yr, 2, 3, 4, 5? 10?)

Thanks

86Z

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i would definately be interested in reverse indiglo gauges kinda similar to the stock ones, that would be awesome and i'm willing to pay the bucks, my girlfriend has a honda civic and i put some in and she laughs cause they dont make them for my car

maroon91rs

if theres a way to make them for the 90-92 dash cluster you can defintely count me in,and im sure i know some people whow ould gladly purchase some too for their 3rd gens.keep us posted!

TRIGGA

you can already do that with the 90-92 dash cluster

all you do is add leds behind the gauges and the light shines threw, someone does it on the board for about 100 or so

86Z

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any updates macewen?

hot86z-28

mac are u sure about that tach never bein with a 85 speedo, cause my 86 looks the exact same man. no offense but if i had a dig. cam i would go take a pic for you. it's the exact same tach.

91dubZ28

I would definately buy them if you made a 91-92 kit. I love the look of the indiglo.

camarosource

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So would I.. the 1992 REVERSE Indi-glo 145mph ones.. Just WISH Mac or the other company would reply to my emails and update us on what is happening with them.

91dubZ28

I emailed mac not too long ago asking for pictures of the silver faced gauges. They said that they would get back to me in a few weeks becasue they are redoing there inventory and adding 130 part numbers to the web site. you can call Ryan MacEwin at
716-882-5678

MacEwen

Guys,

EL is a go. ETA 4 weeks.

EL gauges have been a product I have considered making for quite sometime. The whole concept of the whiteface 'overlay' has been adopted by other makers. Although our white and silver face gauges are still unique, it behooves me to follow through with EL to keep the product line on the cutting edge. The major drawback is cost. I used to be able to sell at prices far lower than competitors whiteface gauge kits. However, these imported lamps aren't worth putting my name on.

The first EL kit we were planning on producing was for 4th gens. Then we discovered an EL kit which claimed to fit that application. Given the price of the Chinese lamps, we opted to just wait and see how it plays out. Well, they have expanded their coverage to include at least one model year 3rd gen Camaro model. They still have yet to correct problems with 4th gen model (only fits late 1997-1998 model year).

Since I've already done all the R&D and have applications for each variation of Camaro and Firebird from 1982-2002, swapping over to EL would be easy. Our competitive edge is in our coverage, and quality. Our prices for EL kits cannot compete. The attraction will be only quality and styling.

I have consulted with a few EL manufacturers. One in particular won me over. They have quality and flexibility I am looking for.

So, EL is a go. There will be no prototypes. We are going straight into production. The first models available will be for 140mph, and 110mph 1986-1989 V8 Camaros.

The retail price will be estimated $120, including inverter, and illustrated instructions. There will be a conditional 2 year warranty on defects in materials, and workmanship.

FLYNLOW92rs

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Sounds Like a Plan....

Let's see some pics of the gauges when you are finished.......

Also any idea when you will get around to the 91-92 models???

camarosource

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ah, but no 1991/1992??

86Z

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go macewen!! i want the first set of reverse indiglo

camarosource

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I Want the FIRST 1991/1992 140mph REVERSE INDI-GLO too!!

I especially like the way the http://www.procarparts.com/store/dis...8289FIRE-BLREV are for the firebird. Like in that they have bars for the speedometer readouts. Not really the stock looking speedo.. Futuristic is what i'm looking for!!

91dubZ28

ANd I want to be the First 1991/1992 110mph REVERSE INDI-GLO !!!

elevario

ME TOO!

SilverSub122

I want a set of reverse indiglo!!!! :hail:

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redcamaro83

what is the verdict on these haven't seen an update in a while.
i want the 90-92 110 set

mac? any word

stiers

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I am in for the '91 -'92 Reverse Indeglo version...that would look so sweet. Also...can some please show us how the 91-92 white face kits look in the dark? someone has got to have em on their car and can take a picture...

88txiroc

TTT!

Mac, Have you went into production on the reverse indiglo? I have been putting off getting your silver overlays in hopes of getting the indiglos. I looked at your site and did not see anything for our cars in the indiglo.

If Mac doesnt do this, is there anyone out there who has found anything like it? Reverse or regular? Anyone?

SilverSub122

there is a guy that sells those on ebay for like $20, ive seen the 85 115 and 145 versions

91CamaroRS305

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so is there going to be a reverse indiglo 140 speedo for an 88 iroc??

meridius

I like htem alot but I highly doubt anyone will make them for my set up since mine seems to be a bastard and nobody knows aout them.