AFR heads in stock?
12-10-2006, 01:36 PM
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AFR heads in stock?
Any hints on where I can find a dealer who has some AFR heads in stock?
AFR 210CC Eliminator heads 76cc L98 angle plugs.
Part nbr 1058
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AFR 210CC Eliminator heads 76cc L98 angle plugs.
Part nbr 1058
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12-11-2006, 10:08 PM
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Wish I could be some help on that one ... The 1050 is very similar to the 1058 and is something we can provide. They will not be multiple plug angles in the future Eliminator 210's, the angle plug will be the angle plug.
At this point in time with AFR's changover to the new Eliminator 210's I think you'll find a difficult time getting much selection in the 210-227 range.
Hope that helps.
Brian
www.adperformance.com
PS: Thanks for the referral!
At this point in time with AFR's changover to the new Eliminator 210's I think you'll find a difficult time getting much selection in the 210-227 range.
Hope that helps.
Brian
www.adperformance.com
PS: Thanks for the referral!
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12-12-2006, 06:04 AM
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From what I researched lot of people have problems with the angle ones.
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12-13-2006, 03:12 AM
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i've also search and have found that
- L98 angled plugs will not clear
- Angled plugs will not clear
- Straight plugt will not clear
AND that
- L98 clears
- Angled clears
- Straight clears
- L98 angled plugs will not clear
- Angled plugs will not clear
- Straight plugt will not clear
AND that
- L98 clears
- Angled clears
- Straight clears
12-13-2006, 06:43 AM
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Yeah I came up with the same results so I just went with what most people don't have a problem with lol.
I ordered up a set of staight plug 195 AFR Eliminators for use with my SLP 1 3/4 headers and from what I researched your the only one that had problems with it on your 190 AFR's I believe. Also from the looks of it the stock heads come with straight plugs and they clear fine just a pain to install a few plugs which I can live with.
I ordered up a set of staight plug 195 AFR Eliminators for use with my SLP 1 3/4 headers and from what I researched your the only one that had problems with it on your 190 AFR's I believe. Also from the looks of it the stock heads come with straight plugs and they clear fine just a pain to install a few plugs which I can live with.
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Are these heads readily available, ready to ship or is there still a long waiting time to get them?
Any word on their LT1 Eliminators; when they'll be available, etc.?
Jake
Any word on their LT1 Eliminators; when they'll be available, etc.?
Jake
12-13-2006, 07:02 PM
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Thanks for that.
Seems that AFR is STILL not able to provide their heads in a timely manner. In this day and age, most folks aren't willing to wait months for the product they want to buy.
Lip service doesn't cut it! It's not what you SAY, but what you DO that counts. What's Up with AFR anyway!!??
I suspect the LT1 heads won't make it to the market until the first quarter of 07. By then, I will have bought some Brodix, TFS or Lloyd Elliot's.
Jake
Seems that AFR is STILL not able to provide their heads in a timely manner. In this day and age, most folks aren't willing to wait months for the product they want to buy.
Lip service doesn't cut it! It's not what you SAY, but what you DO that counts. What's Up with AFR anyway!!??
I suspect the LT1 heads won't make it to the market until the first quarter of 07. By then, I will have bought some Brodix, TFS or Lloyd Elliot's.
Jake
12-18-2006, 03:53 PM
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Jake,
First, its a new product. They're going to produce the largest, easiest, profitable segment first. Unfortunately for you it isn't LT series parts but if you've had experience with the LT parts AFR isn't any different than anyone else, its pure economics and every other company has done the exact same thing.
Second, for AFR, It's supply and demand but there's more to it...
They make a good product, and they're a small company. Its easy to say "make more" but when you're looking at millions of dollars in machinery it doesn't happen overnight.
The other companies you named generally provide as cast parts, and the cnc versions are a minority of their business, it's about 1/5 of the machine time for an as cast vs. CNC'd head.
If you're looking to place blame for their leadtimes blame us. We have 150+ sets in front of you if you order today. But also think about the flip side of what you're blaming them for - protecting their dealers and creating a loyal, profitable, business model for people involved with their business. Most businesses need a dealer network to carry their product, support it, install it, talk about it, ect. If they didn't have these they'd have to do this work themselves, which for most companies isn't realistic. If they don't support dealers then nobody wants to invest the hundreds of thousands of dollars it costs to be a large distributor.
AFR isn't setup to be a consumer direct business, it's that simple. If you continue to blame them for not stocking a head you're always going to be waiting longer than anywhere else because you're already behind, stocking dealers have been in front of you for months.
You want a product direct from AFR, AFR wants to sell to a dealer. If your dealer doesn't have the inventory blame them, if its a quality product, that can be carried at a profitable level then REAL dealers will carry the heads. If you're ordering from someone who doesn't stock them then find another dealer, it obviously isn't working.
The current leadtime will take care of itself. For the immediate time they're difficult because they're a new product, as is just about ANY new product from ANY manufacture (specifically automotive.) Give it a bit to get cycled out, fully moved into their new facility, through the holidays and back on track, you'll find most heads will be dealer available within a couple weeks. You'll ALWAYS be waiting longer if you order it direct, and you can blame stocking dealers for that.
Brian
BTW: We have a 918 set in stock
First, its a new product. They're going to produce the largest, easiest, profitable segment first. Unfortunately for you it isn't LT series parts but if you've had experience with the LT parts AFR isn't any different than anyone else, its pure economics and every other company has done the exact same thing.
Second, for AFR, It's supply and demand but there's more to it...
They make a good product, and they're a small company. Its easy to say "make more" but when you're looking at millions of dollars in machinery it doesn't happen overnight.
The other companies you named generally provide as cast parts, and the cnc versions are a minority of their business, it's about 1/5 of the machine time for an as cast vs. CNC'd head.
If you're looking to place blame for their leadtimes blame us. We have 150+ sets in front of you if you order today. But also think about the flip side of what you're blaming them for - protecting their dealers and creating a loyal, profitable, business model for people involved with their business. Most businesses need a dealer network to carry their product, support it, install it, talk about it, ect. If they didn't have these they'd have to do this work themselves, which for most companies isn't realistic. If they don't support dealers then nobody wants to invest the hundreds of thousands of dollars it costs to be a large distributor.
AFR isn't setup to be a consumer direct business, it's that simple. If you continue to blame them for not stocking a head you're always going to be waiting longer than anywhere else because you're already behind, stocking dealers have been in front of you for months.
You want a product direct from AFR, AFR wants to sell to a dealer. If your dealer doesn't have the inventory blame them, if its a quality product, that can be carried at a profitable level then REAL dealers will carry the heads. If you're ordering from someone who doesn't stock them then find another dealer, it obviously isn't working.
The current leadtime will take care of itself. For the immediate time they're difficult because they're a new product, as is just about ANY new product from ANY manufacture (specifically automotive.) Give it a bit to get cycled out, fully moved into their new facility, through the holidays and back on track, you'll find most heads will be dealer available within a couple weeks. You'll ALWAYS be waiting longer if you order it direct, and you can blame stocking dealers for that.
Brian
BTW: We have a 918 set in stock
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Thanks for that explanation. Much of the marketing aspects you wrote about I didn't know and that explains why it seems to take so long to receive a set of AFRs.
I was under the assumption that AFR operated similarly to TPIS, which has sets of heads sitting on the shelf, ready to ship - or so they advertise anyway.
If I'm reading AFR's pricing list correctly, 918s are L98 versions, not LT1, right? If so they won't work for me. Also I hope the chamber size is kept close to the stock LT1 chambers so I won't lose compression.
Happy New Year!
Jake
I was under the assumption that AFR operated similarly to TPIS, which has sets of heads sitting on the shelf, ready to ship - or so they advertise anyway.
If I'm reading AFR's pricing list correctly, 918s are L98 versions, not LT1, right? If so they won't work for me. Also I hope the chamber size is kept close to the stock LT1 chambers so I won't lose compression.
Happy New Year!
Jake
12-26-2006, 02:36 PM
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Jake,
Yes, the 918 is an L98 version. The LT's aren't made yet, part of the problem above (LT's will be later than standard SBC's, they're a minority.)
I have LT's ordered in September, not sure when they're going to actually be made. They're currently with a 65cc chamber but can be changed to a smaller chamber if required, AFR offers a chamber choice with the LT series of heads. If you order them from anywhere just spec the chamber size you need and they'll have them setup to that chamber.
Brian
Yes, the 918 is an L98 version. The LT's aren't made yet, part of the problem above (LT's will be later than standard SBC's, they're a minority.)
I have LT's ordered in September, not sure when they're going to actually be made. They're currently with a 65cc chamber but can be changed to a smaller chamber if required, AFR offers a chamber choice with the LT series of heads. If you order them from anywhere just spec the chamber size you need and they'll have them setup to that chamber.
Brian
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Car: GTA -89
Engine: Blown 415"
Transmission: 4L80E
Axle/Gears: Strange 12-bolt
According to AFR.
"Our angle plug is modeled after the GM L98 plug and our straight plug is modeled after a Vortec style."
So Angled or straight with SLP headers?
ScatStroker:
When is the 210cc heads availible? 72cc
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"Our angle plug is modeled after the GM L98 plug and our straight plug is modeled after a Vortec style."
So Angled or straight with SLP headers?
ScatStroker:
When is the 210cc heads availible? 72cc
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01-11-2007, 07:19 PM
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Jake,
Yes, the 918 is an L98 version. The LT's aren't made yet, part of the problem above (LT's will be later than standard SBC's, they're a minority.)
I have LT's ordered in September, not sure when they're going to actually be made. They're currently with a 65cc chamber but can be changed to a smaller chamber if required, AFR offers a chamber choice with the LT series of heads. If you order them from anywhere just spec the chamber size you need and they'll have them setup to that chamber.
Brian
Yes, the 918 is an L98 version. The LT's aren't made yet, part of the problem above (LT's will be later than standard SBC's, they're a minority.)
I have LT's ordered in September, not sure when they're going to actually be made. They're currently with a 65cc chamber but can be changed to a smaller chamber if required, AFR offers a chamber choice with the LT series of heads. If you order them from anywhere just spec the chamber size you need and they'll have them setup to that chamber.
Brian
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