What head is better? AFR 195cc or Trick Flow 23' 195cc?
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Car: 2KGTP
Engine: supercharged 3800 L67
Transmission: 4T65E
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What head is better? AFR 195cc or Trick Flow 23' 195cc?
Does anyone have the flow numbers for these heads? Which one is better? Thanks.
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1986 CAMARO Z28 -> 150,000 original miles, 89' vette 350 block, Holley 650 DP, Weiand intake, 1.6 rockers, 1 5/8" headers, no cat, 2 1/2" Flowmaster catback, Mallory coil, March pulleys, T5 with 3.35 1st gear, 90% Centerforce clutch, 3.73 posi, Eibach 1" drop springs, Spohn LCA's, Spohn adjustable panhard rod, Subframes connectors, polyurethane swaybar bushings/endlinks, 2 12" Sound Streams, 2 Infinity 6X9's, 2 Pioneer 6X9's, 800 watt Lanzar Vibe amp. ET 13.22@ 106.4MPH Next mods-> LCA lowering brackets, homemade ram air, B&M shifter, AFR 195 heads, 234/234 cam, Weiand stealth intake.
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1986 CAMARO Z28 -> 150,000 original miles, 89' vette 350 block, Holley 650 DP, Weiand intake, 1.6 rockers, 1 5/8" headers, no cat, 2 1/2" Flowmaster catback, Mallory coil, March pulleys, T5 with 3.35 1st gear, 90% Centerforce clutch, 3.73 posi, Eibach 1" drop springs, Spohn LCA's, Spohn adjustable panhard rod, Subframes connectors, polyurethane swaybar bushings/endlinks, 2 12" Sound Streams, 2 Infinity 6X9's, 2 Pioneer 6X9's, 800 watt Lanzar Vibe amp. ET 13.22@ 106.4MPH Next mods-> LCA lowering brackets, homemade ram air, B&M shifter, AFR 195 heads, 234/234 cam, Weiand stealth intake.
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Well, my AFR catalog flow numbers show that they out flow everyone. I have also heard the AFRs are better heads the the TF 23* ones, but the AFRs are more costly.
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1987 Chevy Camaro IROC-Z
L98 TPI 350 (5.7L)
TH 700R-4 Transmission with 2.77:1 Rear End
Current Mods: Edelbrock TES 1 5/8" Headers, Hooker Aerochamber Cat-Back System, Performance Resource Chip with 160* Thermostat, Accel Ignition Components, K&N Filters, All Free Mods, Falken ZIEX Z-Rated Tires.
Best ET : 14.3 @ 97mph
(corrected for elevation)
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1987 Chevy Camaro IROC-Z
L98 TPI 350 (5.7L)
TH 700R-4 Transmission with 2.77:1 Rear End
Current Mods: Edelbrock TES 1 5/8" Headers, Hooker Aerochamber Cat-Back System, Performance Resource Chip with 160* Thermostat, Accel Ignition Components, K&N Filters, All Free Mods, Falken ZIEX Z-Rated Tires.
Best ET : 14.3 @ 97mph
(corrected for elevation)
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Car: 90 IROC
Engine: 406
Transmission: GMPP 93/4L60
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt 3.27
These are the flow numbers taken from the Sept. 2000 issue of GMHTP. I have seen better flow numbers for both heads from different sources.
AFR 190s
Intake cfms Exhaust cfms
.050 32.21 26.26
.100 65.84 57.03
.150 103.36 85.52
.200 137.56 116.92
.300 190.92 165.36
.400 230.88 190.80
.500 245.68 201.93
.550 245.68 203.52
TF 23*
Intake cfms Exhaust cfms
.050 33.22 24.27
.100 61.02 49.80
.150 101.80 74.65
.200 135.28 101.90
.300 185.00 134.90
.400 223.77 169.80
.500 245.00 187.60
.550 246.80 192.30
Mike
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[This message has been edited by MikeH (edited September 25, 2000).]
AFR 190s
Intake cfms Exhaust cfms
.050 32.21 26.26
.100 65.84 57.03
.150 103.36 85.52
.200 137.56 116.92
.300 190.92 165.36
.400 230.88 190.80
.500 245.68 201.93
.550 245.68 203.52
TF 23*
Intake cfms Exhaust cfms
.050 33.22 24.27
.100 61.02 49.80
.150 101.80 74.65
.200 135.28 101.90
.300 185.00 134.90
.400 223.77 169.80
.500 245.00 187.60
.550 246.80 192.30
Mike
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[This message has been edited by MikeH (edited September 25, 2000).]
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Car: 2KGTP
Engine: supercharged 3800 L67
Transmission: 4T65E
Axle/Gears: 2.93
Would that mean the AFR's would work better with a single pattern cam? I was going to go with a 230/236 and .487/.490 extreme energy cam. I meant the 195's by the way but I'm sure the numbers wouldn't be that much greater than the 190's.
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1986 CAMARO Z28 -> 150,000 original miles, 89' vette 350 block, Holley 650 DP, Weiand intake, 1.6 rockers, 1 5/8" headers, no cat, 2 1/2" Flowmaster catback, Mallory coil, March pulleys, T5 with 3.35 1st gear, 90% Centerforce clutch, 3.73 posi, Eibach 1" drop springs, Spohn LCA's, Spohn adjustable panhard rod, Subframes connectors, polyurethane swaybar bushings/endlinks, 2 12" Sound Streams, 2 Infinity 6X9's, 2 Pioneer 6X9's, 800 watt Lanzar Vibe amp. ET 13.22@ 106.4MPH Next mods-> LCA lowering brackets, homemade ram air, B&M shifter, AFR 195 heads, 234/234 cam, Weiand stealth intake.
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1986 CAMARO Z28 -> 150,000 original miles, 89' vette 350 block, Holley 650 DP, Weiand intake, 1.6 rockers, 1 5/8" headers, no cat, 2 1/2" Flowmaster catback, Mallory coil, March pulleys, T5 with 3.35 1st gear, 90% Centerforce clutch, 3.73 posi, Eibach 1" drop springs, Spohn LCA's, Spohn adjustable panhard rod, Subframes connectors, polyurethane swaybar bushings/endlinks, 2 12" Sound Streams, 2 Infinity 6X9's, 2 Pioneer 6X9's, 800 watt Lanzar Vibe amp. ET 13.22@ 106.4MPH Next mods-> LCA lowering brackets, homemade ram air, B&M shifter, AFR 195 heads, 234/234 cam, Weiand stealth intake.
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the Trick Flows need lots of exhuast help porting or huge split duration cam.
I would port the crap out of them as they don't flow to well and are pretty inexpensive
I would port the crap out of them as they don't flow to well and are pretty inexpensive
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Car: 90 IROC
Engine: 406
Transmission: GMPP 93/4L60
Axle/Gears: 9 bolt 3.27
I think AFR recommends a dual pattern cam. Give them a call and see what they suggest.
As you can see both heads flow well out of the box. Both Good for over 400horsepower.
Mike
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Black 90 IROC, L98, A4, 323 gear. SuperRamed 406 in the works!
[This message has been edited by MikeH (edited September 26, 2000).]
As you can see both heads flow well out of the box. Both Good for over 400horsepower.
Mike
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Black 90 IROC, L98, A4, 323 gear. SuperRamed 406 in the works!
[This message has been edited by MikeH (edited September 26, 2000).]
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