99olo

If you're not familliar with Skip White's doings, he's a shop located in Kingsport, TN. He's a performance man who deals largely on the internet. At any rate, you may have heard of his re-worked ProComps. Not the best aluminum heads, but for the price, you really got a good deal with what you payed for. Now, however, he's shyed away from the ProComps and is onto a new style of heads called "NKB"s (New Kid on the Block). These heads outflow not only the old Procomps, but also outflow, on the intake side, the Dart SHP heads.

More miraculously than that, they're seemingly nearly the same price.

If you want to look into it more, here's a link to the heads. http://www.skipwhiteperformance.com/...tem=NKB200274S

If I had money to toss around, I'd throw a set on a shortblock I have and tell you how long they last. He really seems to stand behind his products though, and if there is anything wrong at all, he will help you 100 percent, he claims.

"Many parts used in engines are totally acceptable and of good quality and there are some of very poor quality. We certainly know where to draw the line with low end products, and continue drawing that line with the elimination of parts that we once accepted but have shown to be a potential problem sooner or later. Sometimes it s not that a particular product has or will have a problem, but something better comes along. To be honest this is that, "something better" coming along. Considering the price is only slightly higher, this has to be the best value in a set of cylinder heads we have ever offered. I want you to take my word that in the rare event you have issues with our NKB-200 heads, the problem will be taken care of. "

Anyone that needs a pretty good set of heads and doesn't want to break the bank, I'd look into this.

And, naysayers, if you have negative opinions, please back them up. Don't want this to turn into something it shouldn't be.

peterc005

The newer heads look like a good option. I was planning to buy a pair of heads from sw in a couple of months.

99olo

Please do, and keep us informed.

InfernalVortex

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According to some charts, Vortecs still outflow these.... Hard to compare apples to apples in this kind of situation, though. Some says Vortecs flow 250cfm, some say 210cfm. Who knows...

99olo

Well, you can be sure what he's measured is accurate.

Maybe we could ask him; I'm sure he'd comply.

99olo

He got back to me.

"As for a Vortect heads outflowing these, that would be impossible. Vortec heads only have a 165cc runner. Wouldn't expect a Vortec to flow anywhere close. Vortec heads flow good for the size they are, and that's about it. These heads have 200cc size runners, and flow exceptional for a head this size. They sure do well on dyno. They blow away the Procomp heads for sure in the low lift range."

No flow numbers, but his theory checks out pretty well.

DeltaElite121

"Exceptional" eh? No. Exceptional would be 285+ CFM's at .600 of lift on a 195-200cc casting. Flow numbers are just the tip of the iceberg and are NOT good indicators of cylinder head performance; they're merely one source of measurement. They don't say anything about flow quality or consistency.

I'll make it simple to understand: there's a reason why your average SBC aluminum cylinder heads cost $1300 or more assembled... and these are literally half the cost.

There are no good deals in racing parts. I'd be REAL skeptical.

99olo

Best for the price.

Half the price, three fourths the performance.

No reason to be skeptical. It is what it is.

DeltaElite121

If they really are "new" heads the project development costs would be astronomical in and of themselves. Developing new castings is extremely expensive and time consuming if you do things correctly.. and this is all while making money off a dirt cheap aluminum cylinder head. Nevermind the additional cost of all the hardware also used on the cylinder heads as well as all the rest of the odds and ends to make these marketable. As a dealer, I can tell you that's VERY alarming. About the best deal I've seen on aluminum heads are the Profiler heads. That's as good as it gets for the money spent, and even those are not "cheap".

I wouldn't hold my breath. I'm not a Skip White hater, but I think he glamorizes his products a little too much.

99olo

Show me the heads you speak of, and a flow chart, if you have one.

midias

Thought factory vortecs had a 170cc runner.

EVERY after market or decent stock replacement head blows away pro comps in low lift flow. Also their numbers are not "exceptional" for a 200cc aluminum head. They would be exceptional on a 170-180cc head.

Are you sure your not working for skip white?

Twin_Turbo

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looks exactly the same as the PBM strike force 200 Chinesium stuff

DeltaElite121

http://www.speierracingheads.com/head.htm

I have mixed feelings about Chad personally, but he does good work. His whole shop is pretty much dedicated to the Profiler heads. Keep in mind his heads are worked, and they're competing directly against heads that are $500+ more.

99olo

They're not top end, they don't claim to be. But they have good flow numbers, comperable to a Dart SHP.

I'm calling it how I see it. It's not overly expensive, it's got a good flow to it. Good for someone wanting high performance who can't afford such luxuries as name-brand cylinder heads.

What "PBM" strike force are you talking about, TT?

99olo

Looks like Speier's sight is a little difficult to navigate, I'm gonna take a while to see what he offers.

Twin_Turbo

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http://www.pbmperformance.com/store....612&parent=339

midias

Not according to dart. One of the two are lieing

99olo

Mr. White did an in-house test with the same machine.

Some machines get different readings, use different set-ups...

By using the same machine back-to-back, you get a reading that's "Apples to apples" so to speak.

Also, the only Profiler I can find is the "CNC Pro-Filer 375cc BBC", Delta.

And as for the PBM, the PBMs are much more expensive, and have larger intake runners, so they have more flow.

Twin_Turbo

iTrader: (25)

You sound like an advertisement for Skip White. (didn't we have more of those here before?)

How do you know the PBMs are more expensive? The website doesn't list price, it says $see_world (an error) and they are 200cc runners, same heads If you click a little further they list as 340 bucks per head Didn't even take the time to read..then again, that wasn't the point you wanted to make...it's just meant to say White stuff is better/cheaper?

Is white a supporting vendor here or do they only use trolls like yourself to do their "advertising"

I searched for your posts and 99% of them are Skip White this, Skip White that...

blablabla

I for one will never buy your chinesium crap!


from PBM site (don't endorse these either, just to prove that these magical heads aren't so magical at all)
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Stock# Description Price Quantity
PBM167270TEK
specs>> $SEE WORLD

BUY NOW
STRIKE FORCE ALUMINUM HEADS-SMALL BLOCK & BIG BLOCK CHEVROLET



All heads available bare or assembled. Port volume 200cc, extra thick deck, chamber volume 64cc with angle plug, manganese bronze valve guides, hardened intake and exhaust seats.

Stock# Description Price Quantity
PBMC1982363
specs>> SMALL BLOCK CHEVROLET - STD PORT - ANGLE PLUG 200CC RUNNER $339.21

BUY NOW
PBMC1982363ST
specs>> SMALL BLOCK CHEVROLET - STD PORT - STRAIGHT PLUG 200CC RUNNER $339.21

99olo

Anywho, I'd like anyone who reads this to think about it, look into it, and if you buy them, remember this thread exists so you can tell how it goes.

99olo

I'm sorry for not finding what you were talking about. The link you sent me didn't send me to those specs.

I see they're quite cheap.

But, this is an aftermarket vendor review, where I am to ask questions at. Don't call me a troll for letting people know what's out there, and asking if they have experience with them/asking them to consider it to get some damned opinions going on.

I have no affiliation with Mr. White.

Do you have an affiliation with what you post about? No? Didn't think so.

Now, show me the flow specs for those heads so we can get an idea of what you're trying to get at.

Twin_Turbo

iTrader: (25)

There's a bar on the right side of your browser, use it or your mouse wheel to scroll down and everything is right there in the very link I posted.

I don't need to have an affiliation with whatever parts sources I recommend. I hardly ever do and if I did it wouldn't be the chinese junk you re peddling here.

If you think ONE person on this site FOR A SECOND belieces that those heads are a proprietary Skip White design & fabrication you must be really high. No way a small company can do that. Instead these are simply copied heads, chinese copies of the old canfield stuff, that was later bought by? I think it was Jegs and the copied crap came flowing in from the east.

Flow specs of what head? I never suggested any head here.

This is not an aftermarket vendor review, this is just a cheap way to advertise this junk.

99olo

Those PBM heads. "PBMC1982363"

C'mon. You seem to know everything about head flow and the price of aluminum heads.

As do you know about head porting and machining.

No one here said anything about that being his design. I think you should slow down and think about what you say.

Now, provide me with evidence that there is another head that flows as well as the heads I've provided, that's within that head's price range.

Come on. You're gonna sit here and complain because it doesn't cost a lot, then not back it up?

I'm not "Pedalling", I asked if anyone might look into using these to see if they may have a flaw of some sort. Don't really care about your rantings about Jegs or the east or whatever you're going on about.

I just want you to show me how these heads are no good. Don't give me some BS about China or how it's not expensive or how "junky" something that you have no experience is, or go around calling stuff "magic". The only "magic" thing here is the spell someone cast on you to make you fly off the handle. Just show me how you're right and I'm wrong. Please.

I didn't want it to turn into one of these things, either. You could've been civil, and this could've been a nice thread to read.

99olo

I don't mean to come off as hostile, but you shouldn't talk to people like that.

State your facts clearly, as well as your opinions.

If you're asked to, back up your facts with sources.

Everything would be much smoother if everyone did this.