Viprklr

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Has anybody actually flow benched these heads yet? Or is their QC considered "that good" that what they say is gospel?

lowflyr

210's are onorder, I will be posting the results when I receive them.....expect February (possibly late Feb)

LilJayV10

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For what it's worth, hot rod just did a build up with the 195 eliminators and they flowed 288/225.

Tony89GTA

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Any dyno numbers?

Orr89RocZ

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i believe it was up over 600hp n/a but i dont have the article on me

92RSZ

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It was 615 at 6900 with a monster cam and 383 cubes. I don't care what the price is, that is massive airflow out of a 195 cc port.

88BlackZ-51

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do u have that article handy?


288/225? holy chit!

Reid Fleming

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That's a nice bump over the stock heads.

88BlackZ-51

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Yeah they flow a little more then my stock 113's.

88BlackZ-51

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Does anyone have that article, and can you scan it on for us to see?

LB9GTA

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Does anyone know if the Eliminator 195's are still taking a long time to get from AFR?

I heard they were backed up 3 months

QuickStyle

i dont think they are backed up anymore, when i order mine from jegs back in june 06' and hadnt recieved them by september, october, or november like they promised, i cancelled my order with them and got an order from www.adperformance.com and i recieved them like a month and a half later. and i also recieved the same heads from jegs the day after recieveing the other, i sent those back for a full refund cause they were supposed to be canceled. but i think they are only one month on backorder now since their move to a bigger warehouse, with i think 2-4 more machines to produce the heads more rapidly.

Floor guy

I ordered a set 3 weeks ago. I was told 8-10 weeks.

Viprklr

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Believe it or not, I had my combustion chambers cc'd and they actually came out to the advertised 65cc.
Props to AFR

BTW - it took 3 days to get mine from ADP. They must've just gotten a shipment in.

Tony89GTA

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Mine took 2 months and 2 weeks to get to me, ordered back in middle of november.

Floor guy

I am installing mine on a 406 that needs to be assembled. The 8-10 weeks works out fine for me. I hope they are as good a product as advertised.

87LS

I am have the parts for a 406 myself
I ordered the 210's and they told me 2 months..

Hopefully I will get them intime for this summer/season...
If the 195's flow that good the 210's must be crazy..

LB9GTA

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I just talked to Justin at AFR. He said a minimum of 2-3 months!!

I talked to a supplier (in Canada) and he said that he ordered a set of 195sbc's for a customer in early November and have not recieved them yet!!!

I think I will have to get another brand of heads, I live in Canada and I am not going to wait my whole summer....

88BlackZ-51

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It's Feb now. I think the worst that would happen is that you wont get them until May. I dont know about you, but my car doesnt even come out until May. Is there another head that is comparable for the price?

Doesnt www.adperformance.com have them in stock?


http://www.adperformance.com/index.p...roducts_id=208

LB9GTA

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I'll phone them today.

QuickStyle

Yes, Brain gets a weekly shipment of these heads, i believe he told me he gets like ten sets a week or so. afr told me that adperformance is one of their major distributors

88BlackZ-51

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Anyone?

Viprklr

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Keep trying ADP. Mine came from them in a week.

According to people on this forum Trick Flow heads are comparable to the AFR's.

LB9GTA

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I ordered my afr195 eliminators today from Performance Parts in Edmonton, AB.
They have 7 sets still in STOCK!

transformula87

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Justin is one of the best guys to talk to over there at AFR. He helped me last year when I was waiting for mine for 10 1/2 months. But that was this time last year.

mike1986fyrbird

How much were they in Canadian funds?

91350rs

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i ordered a set of AFR 180 heads and got them in a little over 2 weeks

88BlackZ-51

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TFS compared to the new AFR? What is comparable?

Orr89RocZ

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TFS is only marginally behind the old AFR. i think by just a few CFM as advertised numbers go if i recall right. but the new eliminators blow the old AFR and TFS out the water

Viprklr

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"According to people on this forum"

I have no personal experience with Trick Flow. Hence, According.

Grim Reaper

You should have contacted Brian at ADP. That is where Sean got his older AFR 180s. MAKE SURE that they are the NEW Eliminators and NOT the older AFRs.

LB9GTA

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John at Perf parts assured me that they are the elim's.
He had just got them in 2 weeks ago.
I'll post up some pics when i get the heads on wed or thurs.

I have a friend who has a flow bench and I'll post those #'s too.

88BlackZ-51

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sweet. what combo are u putting together?

Airpak

How much you pay for the heads if you don't mine me asking?

ScatStroker

Thank you guys.

Just as a heads up... We have over 30 sets of Eliminators here currently. All 4 configurations are ready to go.

210's are probably at least a month, they haven't gotten them finished yet.

Brian

LB9GTA

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383 stroker, afr 195 eliminator, 10.75 compression, converted LT1 intake, 1 5/8 ceremic coated headers with dual 3" exhaust dumps and not sure on the cam yet.

LB9GTA

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Got my heads today. They look awesome!

I will try to get the heads flowbenched soon.

One point of interest, I called AFR and asked if I should smooth out the ports and chambers. Right now they are CNC'ed, so they are a little rough from the cnc bit. They said not to bother,
1: b/c if I get too close I might get through the water jacket
2:b/c the difference isn't worth the trouble,AFR said.

Here's some pics.

88BlackZ-51

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cannot wait to see the independant test results.

RoadHammer

Just picked up a copy of Hot Rod (March '07) and they got independent flow numbers for the AFR Eliminator 195s in their 383/615hp build article.

Grim Reaper

Those AFRs look beautiful George. I look forward to you & Sean coming to the DIY Prom Board when you get them installed and ready to tune.

LB9GTA

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Can u scan the article?

RoadHammer

I don't have a scanner, sorry

LB9GTA

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Can u write the flow #'s for intake and exhaust from .1 to .6?

RoadHammer

AFR Eliminator 195cc Street Heads
2.055 Int / 1.60 Exh Valves


.100" - 70.4int/56.7exh
.200" - 149.5 /114.1
.300" - 201.2/164.9
.400" - 253.2/199.6
.500" - 280.2/217.7
.600" - 277.0/222.1
.700" - 276.1/225.9

Can't wait to see the how the 210cc Eliminators fare

TraviZ

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I dont know if anyone else mentioned this, but not only is the flow decent on the afr's. but are they the only company to sell their heads with beehive valve springs and titanium retainers? i think that has alot to do with the head besides just the flow numbers.

z 28 jari

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If I remember right those flownumbers are from prototype heads,not production heads.

formula350sd

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I don't want to be the ******** here but who cares about the flow numbers they will be interesting to see but its obvious the heads work every magazine build has made huge numbers even if your motor with them doesn't hit as high as they do if it comes close its worth it

Hell I'm thinking of switching from my vortec set up to go back to standard just because of these heads

383backinblack

theres a reason they leave them finished like that as well, thats why you almost never see a polished port or chamber anymore these days......

first off polished surfaces get MUCH hotter than rougher surfaces......

also, if you do a little research into fluid dynamics you'll find that a slightly rough surface will actually show a faster port velocity than a finely smoothed surface........the rough surface will trap a very, very thin layer of air against it at a slower speed, and will create a "cushion" where the rest of the airflow can slipstream right over it, with fewer eddy currents and less turbulence.

thats the big thing with AFR heads too, is yes they flow amazing......but other companies beat their airflow several times, but failed to come near the power on the dyno the afr's made.......because its not the size of the port/rated cfm that tells the story, its the overall design of the port, which creates stellar port velocity, even with a very very large port......thats where AFR makes their money