Layne

I bought the High performance plugs and wires, and they've done nothing but cause problems, high resistance, leaking electricity, burnt cap and rotor , and over $500 in repair bills!!!! Now I'm back to stock wires and plugs and the problems are fixed!

Do you think I have legal grounds to get accel to cover my repair bills?

Thanks

deadtrend1

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Doubt full they would pay for your bills. But what could bad wires and a cap do to your car to make the cost extend to 500 bucks?

Layne

DIAGNOSTIC charges, and then labor to rip em out and replace, along wiht doing a compression check to see if anything else was causing this.

PaRrY PaPaRi

I totally agree, ACCEL sucks. A while ago, I bought a set of their "CUSTOM WIRES", which by the way didnt fit at all, then after about a month or so of use, burnt my cap and rotor, which led me to buy all new parts. I'll never trust them again.


Stay Away from ACCELLLLLL

camarojoe

I think that the Taylor brand is a best-buy in the wire department. MSD is good, but a little pricier. I've also heard that accell ignition stuff is junk too, my friend with a 94 Z had similar problems and decided to go with all new stuff.

mw66nova

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hmmm...operator error maybe? been runnin their stuff for years, never had a problem.

iroc22

I've had problems with Accel's wires. Never have had any trouble with MSD or Taylor.

2.73's Suck

the only good accel product that Ive used is a cap and rotor, Ive used everything else and it was crappy or just stopped working altogether (the coils are the worst).

Morley

Ditto. Over 10 years on one of their coils and I use nothing but Accel wires, never a single problem.
For modules you should always go AC Delco, or you'll be sorry.

Thirdgen86TA

Hmmm... I have their coil and wires and I have had no problems whatsoever

WildmanDRL

I've had an Eccel HEI Super coil, 8.8 wires, cap and rotor, and header plugs on my Grand Prix for years. Only the plugs have been a problem (end terminals coming loose all the time). I wish someone else made shorty plugs!

wyclefsirocz

your right ac delco modules are the only non MSD igition part in my car-

wyclefsirocz

onmy bestfriends z we had this problem. we went out and got MSD 8.5mm wires, blaster coil and a new cap and rotor and it worked wonderful. new plugs and a set of wire looms and it was running great and have never had a problem snice-

Cuno

Accel is pretty much all I will use. I have never had a problem with them and have been using Accel wires and caps for many years. I do not use their plug though.

anesthes

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haha! Right. Sounds more like you installed your wires wrong, then ran to the closest shop for help.

paulo57509

Yeah...the wrong shop.

I don't think you need to take Accel to court, but you might consider taking the shop to court. Five hundred dollars to hook up a scope, view the abnormal secondary and parade patterns and replace wires, cap and a rotor?

anesthes

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Seriously. After spending 2 minutes verrifying the firing order was correct, then putting a scope on. Replacing parts. Hell, even doing a load test on the dyno (assuming they are an emissions shop as well) I don't see 500.00 here..

I don't see why the compression test was needed.

-- Joe

88305tpiT/A

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most accell stuff I have had sucks (wires coil) but I use the 300+ ignition and I havent had a problem with that. I will be getting the 375+ add on unit soon too.

I do have a pro billet dissy and MSD coil though so they may be keeping the accel stuff in line

oh and I have spiro pro wires

Jim85IROC

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It's been long known to stay away from Accel's ignition stuff.

But getting a company to pay for your diagnostics because you used their cheap crap? Ha! Chalk it up to a lesson learned and get on with your life.

Timz2882

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Hey Layne why do you have to make 2 post about how you probably did a bad install. other post is here

ive been using Accel for the past 3 yrs and no problem, still running there stuff now, plugs, wires, coil, cap, no problems here. my brother uses them also, no probklems on his 91 z28 or his 86 sport coupe.

bubbareno

I never had an problems... Untill i removed the crowl seal Dam termils Were all coroded! Its somthing about the hole copper idea I dont like. As Far as Plugs go..... well ill pull them today An see how thay look.

demicon

Hmmm blown cap and rotor...

Hmmm... 500$ and then some... mostly diagnostic..


Hmmm...

Hmmm... indeed...


You have the skill to replace your own plug wires.. I hopefully assume...

What exactly happened after you replaced the wires that prompted you to take your car to a shop?

Would not reinstalling the old wires first make a little more sence?
How about pulling out the service manual that you really should have before working on your car anyhow.. and checking your fireing order?

How on earth did you get the idea that a compression test would have any bearing on your engine's problems?

Or does your engine have other problems as well you have yet to mention?

I admit I am still learning about mechanics, I have learnt most of my stuff the hard way..

But even this is beyond rational don't you think?

After even 200$ I would have stood back and said.. hmm.. just a sec here.. I have missed something.

I hope you have at least learned something from all this and will not repeat it.

aaron7

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I have:

Accel Supercoil
Accel cap
Accel rotor
Taylor 8.8 wires
Bosch Platinum 4+ plugs


and I have had no problems what-so-ever.

Nixon1

I've never cared for Accel products ever since I used a set of their universal V8 wires. I melted an MSD boot because it got to touching the header directly...so it melted all the way through and grounded all the spark out for that cylinder into the header. Car was barely driveable. To get it back home I installed a set of universal Accel 8mm's. Had them on for about a month and a half after that until I got my MSD's repaired and re-booted. The car ran 100x better when I put the MSD's on. Like, swapping from the stock ignition coil to the MSD Blaster made as equally big a difference as going from the Accel's to the MSD's.

Every time I've used Accel wires, the car felt rougher and down on power. That's my experience anyways.

CamaroMike

Got an Accell Module in my Camaro and no problems for five years.
Have had super coils, wires, and plugs on other vehicles and I will admit that the wires let me down but the modules have been very good to me!

camaro03

Ive always used accel wires and they havent let me down besides the ones you have to put together, and that was my fault. ive ran them in my car for 3 years, my dad has ran them in both of his boats, i helped my friend Hydric, who is on these boards install the wires, and no problems. as for any other accel product, ive never tried them, i run a mallory unilite ignition and msd coil.

Kenwood

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ACTUALLY I AGREE WITH CHECKING COMPRESSION.... Because I had a BAD head gasket that Gave the impression there was an ignition problem.... Between #3 and #5 cylinder I had blown a head gasket.... Because they SHARED air.... at HIGH RPMS the car would misfire because the spark would ignite the gas and flash over to the other cylinder.*** Look at the distance between the center cylinders its very close*** My stock heads I had at the time were a DEFECTIVE casting...BUT .. I replaced EVERY ignitin part before doing a compression test....Had I done that FIRST I would have saved a TON of money.... Now anytime I feel a miss I check compression as well before wasting money...

BUT ACCEL IGNITION stuff is crap IMHO... I had a supercoil once...POFS made the car run worse than stock coil then they traded me for a new one and same thing, cap and rotors were fine but FUGLY as hell...I mean they could have picked a nicer looking color than TURD Brown... Wires suck and are ugly...and in most independent testing they were NOT rated very well... I mean none of their stuff looks that good to begin with...Unless you are really partial to YELLOW with turd brown accents...They just seem to take Average copper generic parts have their name printed on it and make the price waaayyy up..... Im sure the reason that the parts are all that ugly brown is because the Plastic company gives them a discount on SLOW MOVING PRODUCT...

Im no lawyer but Id say you DONT HAVE A CASE ON THIS ONE....as stated above...Lesson learned.......

Jesus's F-Bird

If you Agree with the compresion checking thats fine, but seriously? If you let a place charge you $500 bucks, then its your fault. And trying to take on major company with a mechanical bill wont work. First, you installed it yourself, and if the mechanics did not tell you "This is directly caused by the wires themselves" then you got nothing. Two, why would they care ? You could have bought all new wires, even teh really expensive kind, "Super Duper Pro Street Ultra" wires for like $100 bucks, replaced them again, and if those didn't work, its something you're doing. And if you messed up stuff, thats what happens when you work on cars. You try and fix 1 thing, but end up breaking and replacing 10 other things. It happens

Kontrax

accel is garbage. the local speed shops around here dont even carry their wires because they are so bad. i myself have the header spark plugs they offer, havent really had the car out and about so i have no complaints yet.

Insomniac92z28

I was told by Ed Wright to stay away from their injectors because they don' flow consistant with their rating or to each other. (his actual experience) I am running accel header plugs (out of neccessity) in my car now, but I really haven't drove it since the Y pipe is absent so I don't have any opinion on them yet.

DeathStarr89

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I use the "super coil" but that's it for Accel. i'm just running bosch wires and bosch supers for plugs and an OEM cap and rotor. I made the mistake of trying out Splitfires last season and after about a month and 5 or 6 drag runs they were shot. worst $32 i ever spent on the beast. I actually ran better times with the current setup.

My buddy has had his Accel 8.8's on 2 different engines over the last few years (same wires) and never had a problem.

ede

i love accel wires and ignition parts. never had a problem. i did think the points that cam in the tune up kit had a weaker spring than the points sold seperatily in a box. any more who runs point? so that doesn't really matter any more.

however lately i have been buying msd parts and have had good results from them.

Wilburwm

I bought a set of the high dollar Accel plugs with the groove in it, when I went to take the old plugs out of the car I noticed they were the Bosch Platinum +4 plugs. I didn't think nothing of it and put the Accel's in and wow! What a difference! Out with the Accel's and back down to the store asking for the Bosch's. They even let me return them and said you can't beat those Bosch plugs. That was almost 4 years ago and I've never bought anything other than Bosch Platinum +4. The difference in Throttle response is just unbeliveable, even w/ about 30,000 miles on them compared to new plugs.

Accel does make one good product. I put their bumper sticker on my tool box. It looks pretty good, lol.

Nixon1

The Bosch Platinums always worked GREAT for me for about one week.. After that they immediately started fouling themselves out. That's the only reason I'm sticking to some larger electrode plugs, like some standard copper cores....cause they're gonna be harder to really foul up good. And I'm infamous for fouling plugs.

So you say those Accel plugs suck? Just making a mental note of the ones I need to stay away from. So far it looks like Autolite or NGK for me.

gixxer9

I'm not going to pimp Accel products, but I'm using the Accel 300+ wires currently. I had a set of DUI FireWires arc and the boots cracked and pulled apart after a few months. I then went with MSD Super Conductors and same story, except this time I installed thermal boot protectors (DUI wires were supposed to be safe by themselves). The boots became brittle and allowed the spark to jump to ground. I spoke with several of the circle track guys around Madison, and the majority were running Moroso Blue Max or Accel 300+. I now have several thousand miles on my 300+ wires, and am satisfied with them. Personally, I will never use MSD wires ever again. Just a little lesson learned....

SOLID LIFTER

My father tried running an Accel HEI distributor on his mild 454 and couldn't get the motor to run right no matter what he did to it so he just pulled it out and swaped in a junkyard HEI and it ran just fine.

I've also HEARD from alot of people that Accel plugs are crap.

I myself have never had a problem with any accel products that I've used (wires, coils, caps, and rotors). The only thing accel on my car now is a "super stock" coil and I'm pleased with it.

Marc 85Z28

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ACCEL is junk. Ask the guys who have been running hi-po cars for years and have serious track machines - ACCEL is junk. I failed to listen, and bought some ACCEL Super Stock universal wires for my car. They lasted 2 months before I developed an intermittent misfire on random cylinders. After spending too much time testing and diagnosing everything else I swapped in a new set of AC Delco wires (which were cheaper and fit better BTW) and cured that problem.

Several years ago I had an ACCEL in cap coil. The damn thing SPLIT IN TWO after a week. Apparently the brazing on the outer windings? split on both sides. It was not an installation error...

I reported my findings back to several co-workers who have been building cars since the 70's and they all were like "DUH!" I was told only to use MSD, Taylor, or AC Delco ignition products, and nothing else.

B4Ctom1

I tried a few other wires including the big MSD. I actually have the MSD wire making tool. But I always run build it yourself Accel 300+ wires. I custom fit them to the application. Other than that we are in full agreement, short of the Gen VII DFI system all the rest of the Accel stuff (Mr. Gasket) is J U N K! The caps, rotors, coils, 300+ ignition systems (A.K.A. the $300 fuse), are all junk. I wouldnt run a Accel coil if it was free. But the LS1 wires I built (300+) for LS1's beat those expensive NOLOGY ones on our dyno.

anesthes

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Accel DFI is nice. Accel's FI intakes, throttle bodies, etc are nice.

Some of the stuff breaks, true. But like any other large company, some of the stuff is good some of its bad. This can be said for every company. Edelbrock for example.. Slp. Holley. I like my SLP camshaft.. But my SLP runners are absolute crap.

I'm running some superstock wires right now. Been ok.

-- Joe

gixxer9

So guys are crying over their $19.99 super stock wires? Spend a little money and get the nicer wires... I mean, what do you expect to get for less than $20? Stock napa (echlin) cost more than that! In fact, the only time that I have ever seen someone run those wires was back in the 70's! More money doesn't guarantee higher quality, but come on folks, pay more than $20 for your wires.

WildmanDRL

I burnt up a set of Super Stock wires in about two months. I changed to the 300+ wires and haven't had any problems since.

You get what you pay for.

gixxer9

That's all I'm saying. Accel is neither the best or the worst ignition component company. I'm using Accel 300+ wires(trouble-free), MSD Blaster coil(trouble-free), and a Holley Annihilator module(trouble-free). All major companies have an undesireable or inexpensive alternative to their higher line, read better quality, products.

anesthes

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The superstocks are more like 35.00 for the universal set but whatever.. They work fine on mine.

-- Joe

Dustin Imports

Ive used their distributor and and all parts w/ no problems.

Marc 85Z28

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We're talking about the Super Stock Spiral 8mm wires, which are more than double that

carfixxer

Buy Jacobs electronics they are the best They even have ones with Ceramic boots for those people who have headers.Then there is what I am running now: Magnacor 8.5 mm wires they have 10mm too and both are top rated.visit thier website lots of info pics and stuff.

Rancid87

I've never had a problem with their wires though I am constantly told they are inferior. While that may be some peoples experience it has not been mine.

gixxer9

Then you are getting ripped off. Accel super stock wires are the bottom of the line and are, as of last weekend, selling for $23.99 from Checker in Madison. Spend $60 or so for 300+, and be done with it. If you are paying more than $40 for junk wires, why not spend another $20 for good ones?

conlinj

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I've been running the 8.8mm wires for 3 years now and their cap and rotor (new each year) with a crane ps-91 coil, MSD 6a, AC Rapidfire plugs and never a problem

B4Ctom1

I bought Accel

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