unknown_host

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it is nearly solely dedicated to 82-92 camaros and has new products i have never seen. it has a 12 second 3rd gen buildup, a suspension buildup, and a 305 horsepower adding buildup. also, i am stoked cuz they showcase a hurst shifter that fits into our stock console. not the dualgate shifter, but a replacement shifter that goes into our normal console. sweet huh? anybody else have this mag yet?

johnsjj2

Yeah I've got it right here on my desk. I am rather pissed now. They spend couch money on that Camaro compared to what I just spent, and they are doing 12's. It's probably the best issue this year.



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Joshua Johnston
1991 Z-28
Flowmaster
K&N
305 / 5spd. (Temporary)
Soon to have:
350, Ported Vortec heads, Edelbrock RPM, Holley 750 D.P., HEI, 11.07:1 CR, Comp Cams Roller-.510"/.520"-282*/288* dur., Shorty Headers, Dual 2.5 Exhaust, T&R Motorsports custom air intake

unknown_host

iTrader: (1)

yeah i dont know, they made it sound easier to run 12's than it really is tho. i wanna run 12's on all engine someday, but i have a 350HO. i dont think they went as cheap as you think tho, didnt they say they used a ZZ4 or something like that. those are pretty spendy. i am goin with a 350HO. 330 horsepower, 380 torque, i think i can get it to 350 hp and 400 torque too hehe. anyone else see the mag?

jayman350

yeah I love that mag. I am gonna take into consideration a lot of their suspension upgrades.

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Jay

350 is finally in!!!

black 85 Z28, t-tops, 350 4-bolt main w/ Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, Holley 600cfm carb, Edelbrock shorty headers, bunch of chrome, and some other stuff that isn't worth mentioning here, flowmaster 80 series muffler w/ custom tips (hollowed out cat), MacEwan white face gauges, Infinity 4" 2 way plate speakers, Infinity 3-way 6x9s, 12" JL Audio W3-D4 (custom box so my t's still fit back there), Alpine V12 MRV-T501 amp, Alpine CDA-7863 head unitJay's Website
No car with 4 doors is a sports car! this goes back to my friend comparing his Maxima to a Camaro

Christos

Whats the issue #? whats on the cover! i need one! hehe



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1986 IROC Camaro
305 TPI "LB9"
3.23 gears
Doesn't know enough about cars.
AIM: jesusathome

Acceld Z

Don't bother buying it. Just go read the Hardrock Camaro article in the magazine articles of this site. Its the same buildup. They just reworded it. I would like to have seen the numbers on that hot cam engine though.

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92Z28
89GTA

Kevin91Z

iTrader: (1)

I just cant believe all the magazine recommend Edelcrock headers so much. Its as if they've never heard of anyone else. I wonder how much sponsor money they get. I also wonder how much faster that Camaro would be with SLP's 1 3/4" headers.

Did you also notice they said one piece seal engines are 87+, roller engines are 88+, and there are two bosses for the roller lifters? Its actually 86+ for the one piece seal, 87+ for roller engines, and there are three bosses.

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1991 Camaro Z28
5.7L 5-Speed (originally 305)
317 RWHP, 418 RWTQ
13.23 @ 107.62 MPH
Southern California
Member: SoCal 3rd Gen F-Bodies
Member: SoCal F-Bodies
-=ICON Motorsports=-

Sitting Bull

Nah, they are using a 305 in CHP, while the Hard Rock Camaro is a 350.

88IROCs

Kevin,

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed those mistakes(and a bunch more in other articles). It would be embarassing if CC or PHR made those mistakes, but it's downright annoying when a Chevy-only mag makes those mistakes. Especially after the long-winded editorial about making the rag better and improving the tech content.

But to give some credit back to them, the build-up on their 12-second TPI was a lot more sensible than GMHTP's 13-second effort. Nice to see someone showing TPI's potential without needing a winning lottery ticket to finance it.

IROCJOE

What is the deal with the headers, are they the same thing as the tes just chrome, are they a new tipe or what....

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DEEP RED 87 IROC-Z
350, 5.7 TPI, auto
Few bolt on mods
-3" Flowmaster catback system
-Accel plugs, wires, and distributor cap
-MSD coil
-K&N Airfilters
-SLP Airfoil
-Brand new paint job
-Hypertech Thermomaster Power Chip
-Hypertech 160 degree thermostat
-Macewen white face overlays
-Xenon Blue bulbs from Macewen
More to come soon!!

sunbitz

Is that this months issue??
What's on the cover?

I'd like to get it before it dissapears from the newsstand.


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91 Mystic Teal RS Convertible (1 of 5,000+ made in '91)
Stock 305 TBI, Auto Trans, Stock Rear End

Stereo
Nakamichi CD-35z, Infinity Kappa Series 4x6 & 5 1/4" speakers, Fosgate 12" sub in a custom box, 200watt amp for the sub.

Future Mods & Add Ons

• Infinity Basslink
• Hooker Headers
• 3" Exhaust using Flowmaster 80 series muffler
• MSD Ignition
• K&N Filter
• Some Suspension Improvements

IROCZTWENTYGR8

iTrader: (1)

LOL, u guys noticed that stuff too!!

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89 RS

STILL Looking For:
An 87 IROC-Z28 350 TPI

mcconahay37

iTrader: (3)

Same crappy headers. They're just ceramic coated. They have to get sponsor money or something, because it's as if they have never heard of Hooker, Hedmann, or SLP. I haven't seen a magazine use any of those better headers on a 3rd gen EVER.

Richard De Jonsano

I was wondering why they used Edelbrock headers. Those are the most restrictive headers on the market.

Acceld Z

The car on page #23 is the HardRock Camaro. Same car, same auther, same parts, same results. The other story is some LG4 buildup. Oh yeah and since when is a Super Street Fighter a 12 inch converter? I could have sworn it was 9 inch.

BadSS

Yep,, it's the same build as the HardRock. Funny how the people that builds the engines change from story to story though. I even have one 94 article where the engine was built by RHS and the engine has AFR heads and the TPiS "blueprint cam". The dyno numbers matched exactly or were within a couple horses of the HP listed for the HardRock build. Two different dynos?? Two different heads?? Two different camshafts?? Makes you wonder huh? IF it's not total BS about CNC Cylinder Heads doing the port work,,,the L98 heads supposedly received CNC porting, valves, springs,and machine work from CNC Cylinder Heads. They get $1300 - $1600 (depending on the springs locks and retainers) to set up the customer supplied "bare" cylinder heads. Hardly what I'd call couch change,, so don't feel bad friend!!! Without this type or similar porting on the heads, I'd think most people's car would have a hard time running 13.0s,, even applying all the "tricks" that were not mentioned.

Kevin91Z

iTrader: (1)

I'm glad to hear those are AFR heads and not L98's, because I was feeling kinda slow with my L98 heads!

SlowCamaro88SC

it's got their "My Generation Camaro" on the cover. they painted it Hugger Orange. it's beautiful. Oct. 01 Sitting right next to me.

unknown_host

iTrader: (1)

they bought that camaro for like two hundred and something because a clogged catalytic converter was keepin it from runnin. it is definately a clean ride, it will be better once they finish. i'd love to have it, even if it is a 305. once they are done, it will have a built 305, a street fighter 700r4, all the suspension mods that matter, a random technologies cat back, a high flow cat, edelbrock tes headers, posi and 3.43. the list goes on. but then again, the same list with a 350 is down in the low 13's.

82firebird

Just picked it up yesterday. That camaro is pretty sweet already! It looks so clean on the cover, that hugger orange paint really makes it look awesome! I cant wait till they're done to see the finished project!

Sitting Bull

Take some notice of the 400hp 350 buildup they are showing in the same issue. This is doubtless the same engine they will pop into the Camaro as soon as they blow the 305, as it is being built by the car's owner.

It sports Vortec heads, roller cam, etc. I bet that will bury the Camaro deep into the 12s

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1986 Camaro Sports Coupe
T-tops, variable wiper, power hatch, rear defrost, third brake light
LG4 305 V8, Hooker Shorty headers, 3" pipe into Walker Quiet Flow dual exhaust
Edelbrock Performer intake, "Damonized" Q-Jet 4bbl, K&N filter, Crane ignition kit
TH700R4 transmission and Derale cooler
Air conditioning, power windows, power door locks, power brakes, power steering, tilt wheel
Kenwood cassette, Pioneer 6x4 component front speakers
Rockford Fosgate 6x9 Punch rear speakers
Z-28 front and rear sway bars
Aluminum slots and Goodyear 225x60R15 Eagle HP tires
243 horsepower and 326 foot pounds of torque at the flywheel
_ _ _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _
Yea verily, and he smote the smog heathens from his small block Chevy, even from the air pump to the converter ...
Todd 1:1

sunbitz

Just got my issue on Saturday and read it from cover to cover by Sunday. Some really good reading even if they did get some things mixed up and bass ackwards.

But did ya notice something about the cover??

Breakin da law....Breakin da law....

Look at the bottom right hand corner of the cover photo.
Dems double yellow lines!

And the car that has the photographer in it... is "passing" the camaro.
That's a major no no!!

Also look at the background.
Mountain driving, not a very safe way to take a photo.

And I seriously doubt they have the funds to call local law enforcement to close a road while they shoot a couple of pics.

If they closed the road then no biggy.

Just thought it was odd.

Can you say incriminating photo.

Hopefully I'll be able to see this car in person down at LACR where they are doing the test runs.
I live about 20 minutes away from the track.
Just don't know which nights they are doing the testing.


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blacksunshine'91

iTrader: (10)

I thought I was the only one who noticed that.

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'91 GTA
350 TPI
700R4 from Pro-built
T-Tops.
Just a few mods, if you want to find out just line up next to me at a stoplight!
Wife:2000 Grand Prix GTP

johnsjj2

Sitting Bull,
I hope your right about the 12's. I have almost the exact same biuld up as that motor, except my cam is ever so slightly bigger, and I have more compression. Damn, 12 is such a beautiful number!!!



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Joshua Johnston
1991 Z-28


350, T-5, K&N, Ported Vortec heads, Edelbrock RPM, Holley 750 D.P., HEI, 11.07:1 CR, Comp Cams Roller-.510"/.520"-282*/288* dur., Shorty Headers, Dual 2.5 Exhaust,Dynomax Bullet Mufflers, T&R Motorsports custom air intake

unknown_host

iTrader: (1)

i hope you know a 12 second engine will scatter your t-5 tranny on the track within the first second of your run.

JJ

There are several people who have run 12s with a T5 many more times than once or twice, since he has a WCT5, he may have even more luck . . . then again, you never know. Power shifting is bad news.

XxMoLexX

is there a website for chevy high performance?.. cus i cant find one.. and would like to subscribe
thanks for any info

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White 91 3.1 RS.
T-Tops
12" tube in the "trunk" (That hole they call a trunk anyways)
16" ROH Rims
Firestone Firehawks
BOSCH plugs and wires.
Energy Suspension Tranny mount and bushings

unknown_host

iTrader: (1)

lol i am exagerating, but that tranny isnt gonna hold up on a 12 second car. go tremec.

colinfinkle

I think that the issue was bull-****! Who cares what heads they put on if the dont give you the focking ET's!!! Probably, the biggest gain, and they didn't have time! It's not even their car; this Tim Moore (their buddy) built the Camaro and the supposed 400hp '88 350 engine, and didn't dyno or track test either! $5 wasted!!!!

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Colin Finkle
87 Sport Coupe Camaro, 5.0 L V8

MikeH

iTrader: (10)

It wasnt the best read but i still liked it because it was a thirdgen.

The reason they used the Edelbrock headers are because they are a good match to a TPI setup. Anyone who knows anything about headers would never use 1 3/4 pipes on a 350 TPI. They are not working in the same rpm range.

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Black 90 IROC, L98, A4, 323 gear. SuperRamed 406 in the works!

Kevin91Z

iTrader: (1)

Riiiiiight... Just tell that to Willie, Tim, RB83L69, myself, and several other T5 owners making lots of power.

Kevin91Z

iTrader: (1)

http://www.chevyhiperformance.com/

Kevin91Z

iTrader: (1)

Wow, are you clueless. Edelbrock headers suck. They may be a good match for a stock 350, but for anything making power, they are a restriction. Larger engines making more power will expel more hot exhaust. That hot exhaust takes up space. It needs to go somewhere. It'll be a lot happier in a large tube than in a small one. SLP 1 3/4" headers are great. I gained 37 TQ and 35 HP at the rear wheels when I installed mine.

unknown_host

iTrader: (1)

maybe there is a reason why chevy never teamed 350's with borg warner 5 speeds...

Dirk

Willie doesn't have a T5 in his 12 second car But he does have a 12 second 305.

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doc

OK, there seems to be alot of mis-information above.

The 12 second 350 - All motor article is in the October 2001 issue of Chevy High Performance. The article is very complete on what parts they used for example, TPIS ZZ9 cam, Corvette L98 aluminum heads ported by CNC Cylinder Heads, 52mm TB, TPIS big mouth manifold, large tube runners, 24#/hr injectors, on and on.

The first run at the dragstrip got a 12.651sec pass @ 108.55mph! After, some teaking, they ran a 12.384sec @ 111.06mph!

Well, that just pisses me off because I've been trying to get into the 12s for 3 years now. And they do it on their first pass after their engine mods which I have most of them.

What the heck is wrong with my setup?????

It sure looks easy to get into the 12s.



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'87 L98 TPI IROCZ, AFR190 heads, 3.70 gears, ZZ9 cam, 3000 Art Carr TC, SLP 1 3/4" headers, SLP cat-back, no cat, no AC, no MAF screens, Accel manifold base & SuperRam, 24#/hr SVO injectors, Edelbrock double roller timing chain, MSD ext coil & distributor, trans cooler, 52mm TB with airfoil, TB coolant bypass, AFPR(40psi), K&N filters, Hotchkis lowering springs, my custom chip, Lay Ind. ram air kit, SS Brakes 1LE upgrade 12" rotors dual piston calipers, 265/45R16 Kumho V700 tires.
ET 13.27sec @ 103mph on MT ET Streets
'90 Eagle Talon AWD, no rust thru 9 winters
'99 Camaro SS, red, 6-spd, T-tops, Mcleod clutch, Pro 5.0 shifter, MAF processor, Direct Flow airlid, K&N filter, next mod: 4.10 rear gears
313.7Hp & 320.6ft-lbf, ET 13.55sec @ 105.1mph

MikeH

iTrader: (10)

LOL... Kevin theres no way you gained that much power from those headers alone. There had to be a cam or heads thrown in with them. A set of 1 3/4 headers will start to show an improvment over a set of 1 5/8 after 5500. But will be weaker below 5000. Not the best thing for a TPI setup. Those headers work in the 2500/6500 range. Ive seen many dyno tests over the years to back this up.

Ive never seen one dyno sheet that would suggest I run those on my car with a TPI 350. Ive seen many cars running in the 12s with Edelbrock headers. What times are you running?

They may flow more than Edelbrocks but that flow is not needed. The same goes for heads,and intakes. Its about buidling a balanced combo.



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Black 90 IROC, L98, A4, 323 gear. SuperRamed 406 in the works!

mcconahay37

iTrader: (3)

If you want 1 5/8" headers, you can get Hooker or Hedmann headers, both of which I feel are much better quality than Edelbrocks headers and cost approximately the same.

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82 Camaro:
350
Erson cam, ported heads,Comp Cams 1.6:1 rocker arms
Edelbrock Performer RPM intake, Holley 600
Crane Hi-6 ignition, Accel supercoil
TH350 tranny with 2500 stall.
Eibach Pro Kit
SLP 1 3/4" headers

Ray87Z

Anyone happen to have the now mythical magazine comparo article that showed the TES headers outpowered the 1 5/8" SLPs??? Someone said they had it and were going to post it and then blammo, nothing for 6 months. That article would be nice to have regardless of which produces better power since everyone gets in this argument at least once a week...

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

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Acceld Z

Hey Doc.....I think I see the problem with your car......It is not a "magazine" car. If your car was the the buildup, it probably would have run 11's. I'm not sure what the confusion concerning the parts they used was. Everything is listed. Does that MPH jive with that ET? Learn me

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92Z28
89GTA

Sitting Bull

Have you corrected your ET for altitude?

johnsjj2

I really don't expect the T-5 to last. I know some people have gotten away with it, and others get shi+ on.I am not going to run slicks, or a race ready suspension. I know "What is the point of having this much power", well bragging rights!! I took this car out this past Tuesday, and scared myself. It has open headers, and is loud, and doesn't plant you in the seat. I didn't want to crack into it real hard b/c I have like 4 miles on it. But in 1st just blipping the throttle would release the tires. I need to get some exhaust before I get nailed with it.



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Joshua Johnston
1991 Z-28


350, T-5, K&N, Ported Vortec heads, Edelbrock RPM, Holley 750 D.P., HEI, 11.07:1 CR, Comp Cams Roller-.510"/.520"-282*/288* dur., Shorty Headers, Dual 2.5 Exhaust,Dynomax Bullet Mufflers, T&R Motorsports custom air intake

JETHROIROC

Doc, just a thought, but maybe you're running too much gear and TC. Try some 3.42's and a 2500 stall Vigilante with your induction setup.

Ray87Z

Oh yeah, and I was kinda pissed off at this issue. They advertise the articles yet and then turn around and give you no evidence, basically leaving the articles dangling... They didn't run the modded 305 to compare the times, and they didn't dyno the Vortec motor. WTF is up with that. The only article with any meat to it appears to be a reprint of a decade old article. Again, I say WTF. They need to do their damn job and get the articles done on time or don't do em at all. That was a waste of $3.50, I can speculate about how it will run without buying the mag...

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Ray87Z
-Vortec headed 350.
86 IROC w/ a cammed 305 TPI.
Formerly Ray86IROC.
www.inter-scape.com/Ray

PROCHARGED89Z

Sadly that is the way the magazine gets you to keep buying the issues,keeps you wondering,saying"Dyno #s next issue,or Track times Next Issue.I personally hate that crap,if you cant finish it dont put a half a story and spread it out in 2 or 3 issues to get sales,it gets old



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Check out my Hompage,or the beginnings of one.355 dynoed at 400HP at 5800RPM & 410LBFT of TQ,on Motorhttp://www.procharged89z.cz28.com/index.html

doc

For those who responded to my ?:

The comment about the 2400rpm TC is well taken. I use to have that, and sent my TC back to have the stall speed increased. Maybe that was a mistake. Now when the tranny shifts, it shifts at 5200rpm and drops to 4200rpm for the next gear, such as, the 1-2 shift or the 2-3 shift. The kick down cable is pushed pretty much all the way back for best shifts.

I have some tuning issues to fix. Since, I installed SVO 24# injectors, I've been running very rich. On the dyno last Saturday, the engine was at 10.6 to 11.1 A/F ratio using various custom chips of my own with the fuel pressure turned down to 36psi. In fustration, I put in my GM factory chip and run much better at 13.0:1. My idea is to increase the fuel pressure to 45psi, and burn a new chip with a lot of fuel taken out of the fuel map.

I dont know if my ET is altitude corrected by the dragstrip or not. I do know that where I typically go (Dragway 42) that it is about 0.3sec slower that Norwalk. I have confirmed this with dragracers who run at both tracks. Which means that at Norwalk, I would be in the high 12s.


About parts and evidence:

The part numbers are all shown in the article, so anyone here could outfit their car the same. For evidence, they ran at a dragstrip and reported 1/4 mile times in the 12s, but I would like to see some dyno #s.

Very interesting, yea, if my car was a magazine car it would be in the 11s for sure.




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'87 L98 TPI IROCZ, AFR190 heads, 3.70 gears, ZZ9 cam, 3000 Art Carr TC, SLP 1 3/4" headers, SLP cat-back, no cat, no AC, no MAF screens, Accel manifold base & SuperRam, 24#/hr SVO injectors, Edelbrock double roller timing chain, MSD ext coil & distributor, trans cooler, 52mm TB with airfoil, TB coolant bypass, AFPR(40psi), K&N filters, Hotchkis lowering springs, my custom chip, Lay Ind. ram air kit, SS Brakes 1LE upgrade 12" rotors dual piston calipers, 265/45R16 Kumho V700 tires.
ET 13.27sec @ 103mph on MT ET Streets
'90 Eagle Talon AWD, no rust thru 9 winters
'99 Camaro SS, red, 6-spd, T-tops, Mcleod clutch, Pro 5.0 shifter, MAF processor, Direct Flow airlid, K&N filter, next mod: 4.10 rear gears
313.7Hp & 320.6ft-lbf, ET 13.55sec @ 105.1mph

Kevin91Z

iTrader: (1)

Doc, read the first posts. They say that is not a new article, its a previous article. They changed a few things, including the heads. Apparently that car has AFR 190 heads on it, not L98 aluminums. AFR heads are much better than L98's, which is why their car runs so well.

I thought Willie's 87 convertible with the 305 and blower had a T5 on it also... ??

MikeH, I added a cam too. I was surprised to make that much more torque. You can think what you want, but I know I want my engine to breathe as well as it can thruout its powerband. TPI already makes a hellacious amount of torque. If larger headers give up some of that torque down low to make more horsepower up higher, then I'll use them, and I do. Hot exhaust gases like to expand, if you give them a small header tube to enter, they'll have to contract and that kills power.

GofasterFirebird

iTrader: (3)

My t-5 is fine and I just went 12.33. I have a hard time believing how fast that long tube CHP car went. Anyone else?

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1991 Firebird
350 L98 (was a 305 TBI)
T-5 transmission
Edelbrock TES and cat back
Accel manifold
NOS
subframes
jegster torque arm
MSD Digital 6
AFPR
Lakewood lcas
Hurst linelock
SLP cam (206 212 .480 .486)
relocated battery
cold air
Hypertech chip
centerforce df clutch
poly bushings and mounts
AFR 190s
Harland sharp 1.5 rockers
a/f gauge
autopower rollbar

12.44 @ 114.63 juiced uncorrected

13.549 @ 102 non juiced uncorrected

MikeH

iTrader: (10)

Kevin...You have a good setup,you wouldnt be running the times in your signature,if you didnt. IM not saying that Edelbrock headers are going to make more power than 1 3/4 SLPs. I really dont care to debate that any further. The SLPs will flow more and make more topend power. Even though that doesnt tell the whole story. Its your car and you can run whatever you want,thats none of my concern. The thing is you keep bashing the Edelbrocks,and I know them to be a good header system. Ive used a few different brands over the years and they really are a good street header system for these cars.

Except for the cheap paper head flange gaskets they come with. Ive had zero problems with them.



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Black 90 IROC, L98, A4, 323 gear. SuperRamed 406 in the works!

Z28Express

A 12.33 T-5 is on borrowed time!

Great numbers.