NTChrist

I remember reading some really good advice here, about how to get out of a speeding ticket. I can't remember who posted the specific post, and I can't find it using a search, but the post concerned checking to see if the cop had all the certifications to use a radar gun. It explained what to check, and how to check.
If anybody has any advice as to how to defend myself (seeing as I HAVE to go to court), that would be greatly appreciated.

LincolnHawk

The info you are looking for is under tech articles at the bottom of page i think...If its within 5mph of the speedlimit he busted you for u may have a chance..if over 5 mph..no luck

Mark305TBI

That sux. Is it just a normal speeding ticket and you've got to go to court because of how many you've recieved? I was in a similar situation here just a few weeks ago. I had to go and I was just going to plead guilty and they told me that I had better request driving school or they were gonna take my lisence. They let me get driving school but it cost me $207 . I be pimpin' it like an old man everywhere I go now (but I keep the Escort radar detector up on the windsheild in case I forget). I realize that this doesn't help you out very much in your predicament, but I just wanted to share my story . Good luck.

85transamtpi

The only way to really get out of a speeding ticket is if...

-There were other cars around you when you were clocked (radar doesnt show which car is locked)

-You were going around a curve in the road as you approached the cop.

If there were other cars around you then you could argue that one of the other cars was speeding, and you got the blame. This normally gets shot down pretty quick if the cop shows up to court because his/her word ALWAYS will be better than yours. If you were going around a curve then the radar would not give an accurate speed. It would say you were going slightly faster than you are going, but if the ticket is for more than 5mph over forget trying to argue this. Also you can ask the cop if he/she calibrated their radar unit at the begining of thier shift. They are supposed to do this with a tuning fork, but the radar units hardly ever if at all go off.

Keep in mind that the second you start to agrue a ticket your fines will most likely double. And if you are guilty, your best bet is to pay your ticket and move on.

-peace

NTChrist

Wow, not a lot of support for fighting the ticket here... Whatever happened to fighting the good fight? Leaving pleading guilty to the old guys with too much money? Like New Hampshire says, "Live free and Die." Or is that "Live free OR Die." I can't remember.
j/k
Anyways, I was asking more about the tuning fork thing. I remember the posted explanation going into what forms to request, what certification to check to see if the officer had, etc.
I'm fighting this one because I was doing 75 in a 40, and I HAVE to appear. There's no "plead guilty by mail option." I also didn't have my Canadian drivers license on me, and as an resident alien to the US, they started getting pretty testy with the ole ticket book. After getting frisked, I was also handed a ticket for not carrying my license, and my passenger was instructed to drive the car, as I had no license on me. It was a little embarrassing, as I was out on a date, but hey.
If anybody remembers the specifics of the post I'm partially remembering, that'd be great.

Camaro_hunter_d

Go to the courts and file a request for "Right of Discovery", Sometimes you will have to type it up at home. No biggie. I will give the proper format latter.

In this form you want to request EVERYTHING. I mean everything from the arresting(Ticketing) Officers Training Jacket(Portfolio) for the type and model gun used AND HIS TRAINING SOURCE, to the type of gun used, the owners operators manual for the gun used, the Service record of the Gun, The calibration record of the gun, The certifacation of the calibration of the gun, AND the CALIBRATION CERTIFICATE OF THE DEVICE USED TO CALIBRATE THE GUN. You want Vehicle service/accident records.

You also want to take note of the area and conditions of the area you got the ticket.

Was it windy? were there trees? Did you know that trees have been clocked doing 90 MPH? Funny huh?.

Good News IF ANYTHING that you requested is not mailed/given to you within a reasonable amount of time before the trial you win automatically. IF ANY OF THE INFO you requested is missing, you win the trial automatically.

90 % of all speeding tickets can BE BEATEN IF YOU KNOW HOW.

Ok the format for the document.



IN THE
MUNICIPAL COURT OF ..................
COUNTY OF ..............
BRANCH AND OR PRECINCT

THE PEOPLE/STATE OF
...................
Plantiff

Vs.

Your Name
defendant

Request for Discovery

Court Docket No.................
Citation Number.................
Date Issued.......................
Police Agency.....................
Citing Officer...................... Badge No..............
Prosecuting Agency...............................

TO THE ABOVE-NAMED POLICE AND PROSECUTING AGENCY:

1. The above named defendant hearby requests that you provide, to the defendant whose address is indicated below, copies of any and all relevant written or recorded statements of witnesses, including and statements, diagrams, or drawings made by the citing officer on any piece of paper-including the reverse side of His/Her copy of the citation--or other medium of information storage. (This is also where you type in the aditional requests for the info listed above.)

Dated.................


Sign here
Print FULL NAME
Your street address
Your telephone number(Including area code)

If three weeks go by and you riece nothing, go to the court clerk and make a "pre-trial motion". This is called a "motion to compell" if at all possible wait until the last minute to do this like 1-2 days before trial. Then at the trial it will be dismissed. It is best to call the Court Clerk to schedule this motion.

THIS IS MOST IMPORTANT, Make 4 copies of this discovery.

keep 1.
Give 1 to the attorney general's office
Give 1 to the arresting officers police staion and finally give 1 to the court clerk for placement into your court file.

By giving a copy to each and every person/office involved you insure that they will have to comply, OR if they fail to comply you win.

I am getting all of this info from a book called "Beat Your Ticket go to court and win" it is written by attouney David Brown. if nothing else go to your local book store and breif through it. it has ALOT OF GOOD INFO.

NTChrist

That was EXACTLY what I'm looking for, Camaro_hunter_d.
You totally just saved my @ss.
Thank you, thank you.

85transamtpi

Was the car that busted you a Crown Vic?

I spoke to one of my law enforcement friends, and he clued me into a possible way for you to get out of this one. He said that even with a 100% calibrated gun, sometimes if the heat/ac fan is on full power, the radar unit will pick up a signal around 73 mph. You could ask the officer if they were using the fan in court, and if he/she did have it on full blast, there is no way to prove the radar didnt lock onto the fan. My friend told me that in his cars (Batavia IL) this happens all the time.

-peace

ChillPhatCat

Just to keep this in mind for the future... It is also important that if and when you are pulled over, you remain calm and be very careful what you say. What has worked for me and is recommended by many athorities on the subject.

My example (actually worked) after the cop got to the window:

C: "Do you relize why I pulled you over?"
M: "No sir I don't"
C: "I clocked you back there at 69 MPH and the speed limit here is 55"
M: I nodded at this point, you could also say "yes sir"
C: "May I see your license and registration?"
M: I had pulled my wallet out of my pocket as soon as I was pulled over and I handed my license and registration (which I keep handy in the console) over at this point. It also helps to look as calm and sober as possible (and turn off the stereo as soon as you see the lights in the rear veiw mirror.
C: "This all looks in order, I'm just going to take this back and check and I'll let you on your way."

etc. etc. He came back and said I should slow down as expected... letting me off with a warning.

Mainly you should answer questions respectfully and vaguely at the same time. If he asks "do you realize how fast you were going?" you say: "I felt that I was traveling at a safe and prudent speed" (use simpler vocab for country cops, they may seriously consider "big words" as sassing). Never fess up to the crime that you're pretty sure of, because if it was just a tail light that was out, then you're waiving your 5th amendmant rights by self incrimination.

This will only work though if you can seriously consider your speed a safe speed to drive.

That's my $.02
:lala:

Camaro_hunter_d

Did you know that OJT(on the job Training) for use of the gun by the manufacturers rep does not validate that the officer can operate the gun? He has to go through an actual "Class" to learn how the gun operates and how to use it properly. And that they have to go through a "refresher" course like every six months? I have found alot of my tickets got dismissed cause the officer had not gone through a propper training course AND since they did not go through the propler training course were "unqualified" to use the gun!

The Moral is use all the info that you gain through the discovery to mount a case to pick apart the cops testimony.

Another KEY point you want to remember if it actually does go to trial(Court) is that the officer cannot read from his notes unless He/She "Lays Proper Foundation"(IF THEY BEGIN TO READ FROM THEIR NOTES SAY "OBJECTION YOUR HONOR, tHE WITNESS IS CLEARLY READING FROM HIS/HER NOTES WHICH ARE HEARSAY AND SHOULD BE EXCLUDED FROM THE TRIAL")To get around this the cop must testify that 1. He/She does not remember the details of the violation, 2. He/She recorded them shortly after the issuing citation, and 3. That He/She needs to refer to them to refresh His/Her memory. (this ALREADY introduces reasonable doubt) If they fail to do this they cannot read from their notes(and they must hand them to you You may have to ask though, and you do not have to hand them back untill they lay the proper foundation already outlined!) . AND IF THE JUDGE SEEMS TO BE HELPING THE OFFICER OBJECT AGAIN STATING "OBJECTION YOUR HONOR, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE COURT IS HELPING THE OFFICER TESTIFY BY ASKING LEADING QUESTIONS. I AGAIN ASK THE COURT TO SIMPLY INSTRUCT THE WITNESS TO TESTIFY FROM PROPER RECOLLECTION, OR LAY DOWN THE PROPER FOUNDATION FOR THE USE OF THIS WRITTEN MATERIAL" The Judge WILL get peved, but also respect you for the fact that you know that particular and "Highly Technical" Point of law.

Hell I can even write the questions for you to use to cross examine the cop too. But you would be better off going to the book store and getting this book. Only $19.95 AND HIGHLY WORTH IT. It has Particular questions requarding the situation to ask the cop. It WILL ALLOW you to pic apart the cops testimony and make him/her look like a fool in front of the judge!.

NTChrist

Yeah, it was. I was pretty sure that I wasn't doing 75, even though I was speeding, maybe the fan thing explains that problem.
Although, to make it a point that the court would take into account, I'd probably have to provide some proof.
Hopefully, with the helpful advice, and the book I'm going to buy, I'll be able to beat it with technicalities alone.
I've literally paid over $2500 in speeding/stunting fines in my 5 years driving. I've got tickets from 3 states, 3 provinces, had my car impounded, and my insurance skyrocket (despite never having an accident that was my fault).
I think it's time that I stopped paying, and started fighting.
Thanks again!

Camaro_hunter_d

I have gotten 7 tickets in 3 states. Only 1 ever stuck!. I originally got this book close the 3 years ago (I think) and man... The cops that I have gotten fired, suspended and the other "unmentionables" have been more then worth the 20 buck investment.!

YOU ALWAYS WANT TO FIGHT A TICKET NO MATTER WHAT. Hell you could win simply by the cop forgetting to show up!(has happened to me $10 parking ticket) Hell it was worth taking a vacation day to keep from paying 60 some bucks in total costs/fines!.

85transamtpi

Just to be the jack@ss...

If you dont want to deal with tickets, dont get any!! I havent gotten a single ticket, and I drive like a complete moron sometimes. The key word is sometimes. You just have to know when to get on it, when to keep cool. Also a good radar detector doesnt hurt any

-peace

Camaro_hunter_d

The vast majority of the time we don't drive like idiots. But there is that time we get a wild hair up our a$$ and show off, does that mean that we are a danger to the public? No. Does that mean we deserve the ticket? maybe, but more then likely not. I mean if you followed anyone around for a week and wrote them a ticket for every little techical thing that broke a traffic law NO ONE would be able to drive, cause we all do little things. Cops are the worst ones even!.

So I mean come on, I have gotten tickes(2) for going 4 and 6 MPH over the limit. Residential Neighborhood at 4:30 AM. Was there anyone one the road but me? no(besides the damn cop) was I endangering the public? What public was there? no one out side. The meaningless speeding was the cops excuse to pull me over and try to give me a breathilizer test. Same cop 4 times in a month no less.(I eventually got the cop fired for public harrasment) but thats another story.

I mean alot of times a cop will pull behind you, follow you to get you scared, and hope you screw up, then pull you over. Then after all that he gives you a ticket for something rediculous like a side marker light being out, or even worse nothing at all, and the cop(if they can find nothing wrong wioth your car after walking around it) will say this was a "safety inspection". I call that

If a cop is gonna waste your time to pull you over he better have some reason for it or its harrasment. PERIOD.
I used to put up with it before I found my legal rights, now I don't put up with any cops . And the more people do stand up for their rights, the better the cops will get about doing their job and will not hastle people cause they are bored.

I had a cop tell me one time that they pulled me over cause they ran my plates and they were told the plates/car were stolen. I laughed out loud at him(I had my CB on and broadcasting and I had a recorder hooked to it). Cause after he was beside the car I told him I am reaching into the back seat to pick up something, he put his flashlight on it and I pulled out my scanner. He quickly got into his car and left very quickly. Before I could get the badge number even. But I did get the cars plate and called the PD to file a formal complaint that got the cop suspended.(He was the only one in the car and I got the Duty Sargent to give me the officers badge number that was assigned to that particular car that evening.)

SoCo80p

iTrader: (5)

when it comes to the court your allways guilty until poven beyond all resonable doubt your innocent. its near impossible to EVER get a case dropped or even lowered, the best thing to do is BS around with the state prosicuter, dont forget the system is GREEDY they get the biggest stiffy when you hand over all your hard earned money. i've seen many good cases and my own that the judge still just asks the cop "did he do this and that?" cop says "yes" then your instantly guilty. like said above you can BS with the state procicuter your case and agree to a case dropped WITH court fines, i've had this work 2 out of 3 times which will drop a 75$ speeding ticket to 35$ and not go on your record, when it comes to the system they are greedy SOBs and they want it one way or anyother. best shot is to plee bargan.

92 Formula

iTrader: (2)

I suggest you always, always, go to court. My last two tickets ended with no points, no fines as long as I paid to go to driving school ($70 each time). This happened in 1997 and 2000. One ticket was for public burnouts and the other was for 71 in a 55. I simply showed up and went up to the judge. They asked how I pleaded and I even said "Guilty." The judge then said did I want to have this on my driving record. Duh, "No." Then each time I was offered driving school. This was in two different area's, too. Warrenton, VA and Tappahannock, VA. I'm not nearly the hell raiser I once was (I once got 9 tickets in 3 years, two in two weeks) so they don't come as often anymore, thankfully.

Good Luck, I hope you win.

redcamaro83

what is the name of the book
oh hey hunter d could you help me find that info on the front plates
i looked but was commin up with not much
post it or e-mail it. Jonathan-2fast4u@juno.com

BikertrashDude

About runinng radar. The tuning fork is used to calibrate the radar. depending on the unit and the size of the fork, the officer hits the fork and runs it in front of the radar, and the radar will show a certain number like 55mph or 65 mph.
About the air (a/c) being on in the car. it's not just crown vics that this happens too. it's going to be all cars. you just can't run the air and radar at the same time. the gun will pick up the air when it's running at any speed. from what i've seen I've got two tickets in two weeks last year. one i got out of (66/55mph) buy saying I was in the right lane, the officer was in the center of the hwy and there was a car between us. It also helped that I have a clean record. the other was 81/55mph I got that downgraded to Improper driving (what ever that is) and $75 plus court costs ($105) that one was with a VA state trooper. he had like 50 people in that day and I spent no more than 30 secs in front of the judge. I still had a clean driving record, i was cooperative with the officer that night. so he down graded it (he did that to everyone)

My advice is learn when to speed and when not to speed.

when you go into court go in with a tie on, clean shaven and looking like a piller of society. that can help alittle. don't shout, or yell or acuse, just stick to the facts etc. I saw one judge argue with a woman because she kept raising her voice and acuseing the officer of being racest. she got handed a bigger fine than if she just kept her mouth shut.
If you have a ton of tickets before this one then it just becomes a up hill battle. I've you have never been to court before then go to that court room before it's your day just to get a feel of the judge and the way he handles his courtroom. that can help alot.
And if you have not taken a drivers ed before then it would also help it you did one before you went to court. that shows that you have repented since your last ticket and you have taken it on yourself to improve your driving before the judge even "forced" you to do it.
just my 2c
later
biker

Camaro_hunter_d

I posted the name of the book in one of my replies a up a little.


I emailed the Librian of the DOT to see if they could help me find it again. They (of course) are taking there sweet a$$ time about it. I searched for almost 5 hours the other day and put in every pertinant search word and it kept giving me garbage. I think they "hide" info like that on federal sites to prevent people from finding out whats really needed to fight the laws.!

82Trans Man

I'm surprised noone mentioned this in New York atleast if you get a moving violation the money gets split between all the counties if it is a non moving violation the city or town gets it. I got a 61 in a 35 the officer gave me the ticket and asked how long I had my license. I told him 1 month. Since there was a 6 month probation period I would have had my license revoked anything over 20 mph is reckless endangerment or what not. I went to court pled not guilt. Paid my bail. Got a court date the officer offered me a parking on pavement because court is a lot of paper work for the officer and court system and of course the judge went along with it the town he was a judge for got all the money I had to pay. Might work if you plead not guilty you may not even have to go through a trial.

Synapsis

Just a related note...

I dunno about in other states, but in Arizona the officers are trained to determine speed by eye, and most court judges here will take that as fact. The two times I went to court to fight tickets, when the officers had to state their name.. etc.. they also had to state how accurate their "eye-radar" was. I.e., "I passed the visual speed test of +-15 mph at 300 yards." And these guys came with all their calibration records and such since around here, the cops set all their court dates the same, and just spend the day doing court cases.

On a more positive note, the prosecutor plea bargained with me both times, and saved me 700$ and 10 points on my license total. (That wasn't drag racing, it was merely criminal speeding...

NTChrist

Wow, eye radar. That's getting a little scary! I remember a friend of mine got his license taken away because of a cop's "eye radar."
It sounds to me like the police are trying to make it easier to write tickets, and harder to fight them. Dammit.
On a side note, I got another ticket this weekend. That's the third one this month! It's not that I speed excessively all that often, but almost everytime, I've been caught! As for knowing WHERE to speed, I was in VT (I live in RI), and NY for two of the tickets. Didn't realize I was going through a common place for the cops to set up traps. I never thought speeding tickets would make me slow down, but I'm starting to think the go pedal isn't always the answer.
Oh yeah, and the fine for the last ticket: $308.50!

TBI305Camaro

i live in WV and cops around here are very reasonable actually unless your drunk or under anykind of influence then they will stick you but if your out driving drunk you deserve it. but for speeding they are cool unless its in traffic during rush hours. i was went by a cop that was in the middle of the interstate at 115!! and he never came after me. either he didnt notice or just didnt care. but to say the least if i saw the lights that time i wasnt gonna slow down i was just gonna go and get off somewhere and hide for awhile. i was with a buddy of mine in his mustang once and we ran from a cop. he was doing 140 on the interstate when a cop tried to come threw the center (grass) after us...we knew hed radar up for help so he hit the next exit and hid behind a grocery store anyways ive been pulled over 4 times and let off everytime. twice was for speeding, once for "street racing" (i wasnt and he knew it so he had nothing on me) and once for a bad inspection sticker. just treat them with respect and youd be suprised how cool they can be sometimes

Camaro_hunter_d

I have had cops try to do that "Eye Radar" in court and I make them look the fool.

I had a cop try to give me a ticket fo "going to fast past a school bus stop"

1st prob. the "bus stop was a a stop sign, which he acknowlaged I slowed/stopped at.
2nd there were NO KIDS THERE. The bus had come and gone. 15 minutes earlier. I brought in the school districts bus stop list, times and definition of a "bus stop".
3. I talked to the DA and he was tring to cut a deal up until the case was called. I told him no way this cops full of it and he knows it.

I won the case by 1. having a former school district superintendant(My father in law) testify on my behalf as to the "definition and standards" of what a "bus stop" is.
2. My G/F a teacher AT THE LOCAL SCHOOL testifing the time when the school bus comes through.
3. Taking a diagram showing/proving the was OVER 200 FT away when he was tring to get my speed with a gun at a perpendicular angle. I was going straight he was coming at my left side. He had 1/2 sec to get a lock... NO GOOD. he could not get an acurate speed for 5 blocks!.
4. The cop tried to testify that he "paced" me. And by looing at his speedo he calculated my speed. he testified that he had a "state certified speedometer" in his car. (purgery). I got him to admit that he had no clue if the speedo was accurate, and he could not provide any proof as to the speedo being "state certified" And I had that testimony stricken from the record. Not bad huh?.
5. The cop then when on blabbing about this and that AFTER I passed the bus stop, Objection NOT PERTINANT to the case.

Needless to say I won. the Court secratry was quite impressed as was my father in law cause he thought I was fighting a pointless thing. My case was the last one called and after the court was recessed the judge came out and asked if I had done this before, or if I was a law student cause I had throughly impressed her. I said I had been in court once or twice, but not a law student by any means. She just said well then you did one hellofa job.


And to the guy that said the cops bring in the "calibration records" those are typically a day or 2 old, and I HAVE looked at them and they consist of the cop pushing the "calibrate" button on the gun, NOT AN ACURATE WAY TO CALIBRATE THE GUN(and is not permissable in court by the way cause the manufacturer even says thats not the way to calibrate the gun) You find that out after you get to look at the owners/operators manual for the gun another little handy way to fight them with small "technicalities" that win your case. All that button does is tests the internal circuitry to make sure it is working. It performs absolutely NO calibration test AT ALL. If it's not tuned with a fork it's not tuned.

Synapsis

The cop just said he had the calibration records in his briefcase. I got out of the first ticket by getting my speedometer checked (the one in that car is 40 years old, of course it's off by 10 mph), and the second one was bargained to Criminal Speeding down from Reckless Driving/Unsafe Lane Change/Speeding/etc... mostly because the cop admitted he didn't actually "clock" me with anything, and he was a few hundred feet away from me, down hill, behind 3 cars, at 11:30 pm. I'd take only 3 points on my license and an 80$ fine as opposed to the 8 points and 900$ fine I was looking at.

Camaro_hunter_d

Number 1 if they do not show the records they do not exist.

2. If he did not "clock" you they cannot prove that it was you that was speeding. They have no proof. The cops admission to this would have won you that case. No points, no fines.

The DA will typically try to cut deals if they think their case is weak(just FYI) So, if they try to bargain FIGHT!.

Punkwho

well if it was a state trooper who gave you a ticket try to rember if he was in full uniform or not because if he gave you a ticket and he is not in full uniform you ticket wil be thrown out of court (this includes if he had a HAT on) i got so many state troupers with there hats off and the judge has to throw it out of cort that only works if it is a state trooper

personaly i just tell cops the reason i was speeding was i had to take a poop and so far 5 cops got me for speeding and i got out of all tickets its the best excuse ever

89transam

cool stuff

Black88GTA

Damn, how do you afford them all?? I speed all the time, but usually only on expressways n stuff. Sometimes around town, if traffic is light and the weather is good. My first and only speeding ticket I got driving a white Lincoln Continental when I was 16! I'm 22 now, and not one ticket since! One thing that's helped me out more than once....and sounds like it would be a VERY wise investment on your part...RADAR DETECTOR! I mean, with what you paid on that last ticket alone, you could get a good detector, and avoid getting more of these tickets. More than paid for itself in my case, (it's saved my azz a number of times).

http://www.escortradar.com/8500.htm

MdFormula350

this came back from the dead!

anywho, i fight every ticket i get, its worth the hour for me to take off work and take a shot getting the fine reduced or points lowered..

383backinblack

tickets suck, im lik3 17-8 though, which is a great record....but the license is still hurtin, and the wallet hates that sh*t.

its definitely worth the fight, the least your gonna get out of it is delaying having to pay the damn thing for a month or more.

NTChrist

Yeah, wow, my first thread back from the dead.

To put a little closure to the story, here's what happened at my HEARING (pre-trial):

I stepped to the front, where the judge was sitting. Usually (there were about 20 people ahead of me in the line, so I knew what to expect when it came my turn) he would read out the traffic charges, and ask you to plead guilty/not guilty.
In my case, he read out the charge, the speed I was going (I was a solid 20 MPH more over the limit than anybody else there! Yeah baby!), and shook his head at me.
He never asked me to plead.
He said "I don't know how you work it in Canada, but slow down. We'll suspend your license if you get another ticket. The fine is set at $330."

My jaw dropped, and I walked back to the area where we had to get our invoice. End of story. I paid the full amount a month later.

Never even got to go to trial.

NTChrist

Yeah, I bought a cheap Uniden dectector, and haven't had a ticket since.
ALTHOUGH, the province I live in now, radar detectors are illegal, so it may end up getting me in trouble.

Def highly recommend a radar detector to anybody that operates a vehicle, even if it's a '79 Toyota Corolla, or something slow like that.

VampireHunterC

HEY!!! My first car was a '76 Toyota Corolla, and that little rust-eaten thing would FLY!!! But as to the illegality, don't they still have the radar detectors that you hide in the car? The detector part goes in the grille somewhere, and the display goes in the cabin where you can see it. I seem to remember seeing those somewhere...

Cruzin Kaz

Hey NTChrist. Be carefull man. These stories you are hearing are from American laws. Not Niagara Regiona! There are big differences from US laws and Canadian laws. A courtroom here may find you in contempt fro obstruction. Try to talk to a duty counselor first and see what they say. Don't just go blurting this stuff off just yet. Make sure you know what you are getting into, that's all I 'm trying to say. Good luck!

Keiran

NTChrist

Thanks lots for the advice, Keiran.

This thread is real old. It's from back when I was living in Rhode Island. All the other tickets I got at the time, were also in the 'states.
So, the advice I got fit perfectly. I figure I would have at least put up a good fight if I could've just gotten to trial!

NTChrist

Good idea, I'll look into that.

Cruzin Kaz

LOL! I should have looked at the dates! I feel stupid now.
Did you get off at least???? Holy crap. January!

89Transam was the person who gave rebirth to your thread...Shame on you 89Transam LOL! J/K guess he didn't look either.

89transam

Actually I have it bookmarked because it was really good info I think...I thought id bring it back from the dead and let some other people see it

NTChrist

Keiran: Dammit, no, I didn't get off. A couple of posts up, I posted a quick conclusion to my part of the story. Basically, I got slapped with a $330 US fine.

89transam: Yeah, it's too bad Camaro_hunter_d doesn't post anymore. That guy was full of info on how to beat any kind of ticket.

83TransAm

I can remember the evening that I got 2 tickets in 5 minutes!!!! or about a 1/2 mile, whichever came first. Anyway, it was "quota" night, and cops were out like mad. Back then I was driving this busted up Corsica that had front end damage. Well the first cop pulled me over for non-functioning parking lights. So i get back on the road and either 5 minutes later or about 4 blocks down the road, another cop pulls me over, because I didn't turn my lights back on after being pulled over the first time. I got all this because I was taking a "girl friend" (friend that's a girl) to one of her dance classes. To make up for this, she opted to give me "road head" on the way home. Quite nice of her.

Steve

89transam

yea but not worth 2 tickets ....

83TransAm

They were both dismissable tickets that got written off as soon as I fixed the problem.

jocww

was it at least good head

83TransAm

It wasn't the greatest, but it was still good nonetheless. I'll have to give her a call and see how much she's improved since then.

Camar_Hunter_c

I typically post in the V6 board, as thats what I have right now...

But yeah I got an email asking about this thread and I was like WTF?

But I am soon joining the wonderfull world of the B/B 92 camaro!. Picking up a rebuildable 4 bolt main 396 W/ trans next week. HELL YEAH BABY! $200 too! Going cheapo rebuild to get it car ready, then after I get a real job and can afford a Vortec, it'll come back out and it'll get rebuilt with "REAL" parts to make upwards 5-600 HP. Then get reinstalled, with a BIG front mount intercooler, for that additional 40-60 HP!

But as to the remount mounting of radar detectors.. very easy.

Hell you can build one that will out perform any detector on the market, you can even build a jammer!

But as to remount mounting, you will be forced to crack open the case and remove the LED indicators and speaker. You then simply run 16-18 guage wire for each lead as far as you need to and hook them back to the appropriate LED/Speaker in your cabin. You then buy some generic plastic sheeting and place it over the gaping hole in that brand new detector and seal it with silicone sealant. Not to terribly hard if you ask me.

NTChrist

Hmm, or could you discard the dectector body altogether, and mount the LED/speaker in the dash? I think it would look trick in the gauge cluster. Might be hard to mount the buttons, tho.

How would you attach the 16-18 gauge wires to the existing ones? Would soldering work?
Will increasing the length of the wires decrease the effectiveness of the detector?

One last question; any ideas on how to protect the exposed detector pieces from road debris/dirt?

NTChrist

Oohh, wait. I think I'm getting what you're saying a little better now.

You're suggesting removing JUST the indicators, and relocating the rest of the detector to the front of the vehicle, right?

At first I thought you were suggesting removing just the parts of the assy that do the detecting, and mounting the exposed electronics on the front of your car.

But, my last question still stands. How would you protect your radar detector from damage/dirt? I have a Formula with no ground effects, so unfortunately I have no nooks or crannies to hide it in.
Any ideas?

Thanks, and BTW good luck with the 396 build-up.

86fbird350

i speed all the time and never got pulled over(not for speeding at least). Atleast i know my radar detector works. no advice here but thought id put in my 2 centz

Camar_Hunter_c

Well the 396 is only a 2 bolt main and I am talking to several metal shops that say they can drill the to make it a 4 bolt, but I also looked around some more and found a 402 BB for about the same price... Choices choices...

But as for mounting, you can go very trick, but maybe a little pricey, buy mounting in the headlamp cover on the flat part that faces out when lights are down. Replace a small part of the balck plastic with a piece of plexi/lexan and mount the left over flat part of the detector behind it.
Only thing is when lights are on, you SOL. Otherwise take a look arounf the front end and think of easily modified parts that can be put in.