CaysE

Just like the subject says. I love the look of the white pearl on the new cadillacs, but wondering if that pearl finish comes in black, too? Pictures maybe?

Hg

I thought that "pearl" was something they add to paint when they are mixing it to give it a pearl type look to it...? I could be wrong though. I know there's a flamenco black pearl, it's a honda color though...

Kandied91z

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there isn't really a black pearl. there are colored pearls from gold, silver, blue, red, orange, green, etc..... you get the idea. black wouldn't pearl anything, just change the color.

tpiroc

MAN Kandied knows his paint(s)...

burroughs

"black Pearl" could mean Pearlescent Black. Pearlescent paints originally had ground up mother-of-pearl in them to be keenly reflective. Today, ground bits of Metal or plastic are now used to make the paint 'Sparkle'.

I used to have a picture of a Purple Pearlescent paint that looked funky, but it was a perfect example of high-quality paint.

and, In my honest and humble opinion, Pearlescent paints don't look as cool on cars as they do on Motorcycles.

Kandied91z

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take a good solid black like a cadillac oxford or onyx and put a gold or even purple pearl over it.....very sharp!

black is also a very common base used in such "pigments" as a chromillusion paint (if it has a pigment). the black can respond well to pearls but it's very subtle.

EvilCartman

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House of Kolors has one called Black Pearl.

Kandied91z

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you can call a paint anything but there isn't really a actual pearl that's black. for instance you paint a lamborghini yellow and put green pearl to get it's look. you couldn't paint it yellow and put black pearl on it.........it would be black.

however you could paint one black and put a purple or red pearl in it and you would get a slight shift of color in the bends and when the sun hit it the complete pigment would brighten.

momokings

my car is actually black pearl, pearl is the shinny flakes mixed with the black paint or something

momokings

this pic shows the pearl as well as the reflective decal effect

momokings

heavy_chevy29

pearl can be mixed in with paint. the white pearl that you are talking about on the new cadillacs is a three stage paint. you don't add pearl into the paint with that paint. you have to first lay down a base coat, followed by the pearl coat , you top that off with the clear coat. the 3 stage paint jobs are pretty pricey but have that really nice pearl look.

as for black pearl, i have yet to see it. as someone mentioned above there are different color pearls that can be added to black paint to give it a custon look.

joekickass

Yes, "pearl" can be mixed in paint, they can help your car looks shiny, looks like the car just been waxed, BUT....they will twist the base color, if you want "pearl black", you may get, "not that black" black but very shiny...more "pearl" you mix in, more grey you will get, I had done that on my motorcross and very disappointed, it looked like grey color, even it is shiny under the sun.....

My brother gave my black 93 Grand Am new paint 2 months ago, he asked them to some "pearl" with the black paint, fortunately they did the good job, the car still looks good & black, we have to look closer to know the different.

If fact, the pearl white is popular in Taiwan, it looks good.

Kandied91z

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just like i said, you can pearl any color but there isn't a black pearl really. that trans am looks like it has rainbow pearl. what color pearl is on it?

EvilCartman

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All I'm saying is there is a paint chip that I've seen and it's name is...... Black Pearl. It's not a solid black, it has some sort of pearl additive in it.

D M N

Where do you get your paint?? i looked everywhere(online) and i cant find anything except ebay and they only have 3 colors

87rediroc

My brother has an '04 Subaru WRX in Java Black Pearl. Cool color that has a gold flake/tint in direct light. Check out a Subaru lot and you should find the color. I believe that it's new for '04.

CaysE

I guess I'll clarify what I want to do to my car. I want to keep it black, but give it something a little extra to look (and be) high quality. I like the idea of black base with purple pearl (or maybe dark red), and then clear. I'm looking for an end result, not a single color paint called "black pearl." I like the caddys' looks, so if it needs three stages of paint for a black with pearl, so be it!

SC82TA

When I got my car painted a year ago I also wanted a black with a pearl effect. Originally I wanted a blue pearl to be applied, but they told me that the result would be a purple like color. So what they suggested was I add some white pearl. However the more white pearl I'd add the more grey it would become. So they showed me some swatches and I picked a black with the least amount of white pearl, it has an extra little glimmer when the light hits it right. Looking back, I think that I should of gone witha little more pearl though, I think it would of still been black enough for me. Sadly its hard to catch on a picture so I don't really have a picture that showes the glimmer effect well. The paint they used on my car was DuPont paint if that is of any interest.

Kandied91z

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try the darker pearls like blue, purple, red and even green....some of the lighter silver and gold will just make black look dirty.

87CIZ

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they have glow in the dark pearl that would be pretty awesome

D M N

Your kidding right??

Kandied91z

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i have yet to see a pearl that glows. however they do have paint that will.

it's rather interesting as you can run a flashlight across it pitch black and watch the lines trace in the paint. much like how the earlier hypercolor shirts and water color hot wheel cars worked. i'm not sure on how long it lasts though and the colors are usually a florescent type.

grngryoutmyway

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Don't do it the Black Pearl is cursed! Pirates will come get you!

jcurrieirocz

some ppl here i think are mixing up pearl and metallic flakes.
When I picked the color for my roc i was pondering the Cherry black color...it looked sweet I 1st seen it on a monte ss and it dones look sweet. Its Black with red flakes in it. Ive also seen a color called root beer but its not as black. It i were you id go for the cherry black.

iroc2nv

mine is a 7 stage black pearl paint job.. $6000 canadian for it too..

Kandied91z

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a 7 stage....? you have 7 different colors on your car layered above each other and only paid that much!

please explain what you have, i've never heard or seen a 7 stage.

87CIZ

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no they seriously make glow in the dark paint hold on let me find it...... http://www.hokpaint.com/man/KG53.html here ya go i think it would be sweet for ghost flames though. I don't want to get flamed for saying that either!

Kandied91z

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just like i said...

iroc2nv

well this is how they described the process to me..

first they prepped it..

1st layer: a thin layer of white/blue was applied,
2nd layer: thin layer of a pearl metallic compound (almost to buff out any mistakes)
3rd layer:another thin white layer was applied
4th layer:black was introduced
5th layer:same compound as b4 but with more pearl (blue i believe)
6th layer:another black but with the blue mixed into the paint
7th layer:clear coat with a hint of white pearl

and i was wondering why it was so cheap as well, he told me only that it wasnt a very expensive pearl paint that they used so he cut me a deal..

iroc2nv

CaysE

We need some better pictures, iroc2nv. Thanks for all the tips and help, guys.

CaysE

Back from the dead!

Kandied, you mentioned at first that you thought a deep black paint with a gold pearl would look good, but later thought it would look dirty. I've been considering this as my final color decision, but need a little more info on how you think it looks.

Has anyone here seen this color in person? Or perhaps know of someone in the NYC metro area with it? I'd love to actually see the color myself.

Kandied91z

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only after playing with it....personally, i like black with red pearl. more of a blackberry color. blue is nice but turns purple. green will go un noticed.

good luck with it.

IROCFAST

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The key in being conservative on the pearl. You can put any color pearl over black, however, too much will make it appear dull or even take on the color of the pearl. A "dusting" (depends on the mix ratio of binding clear, mid coat, to pearl) is about all the pearl you want on black. Otherwise the black becomes overpowered.

330hp_91RS

OK, Not sure how many of you know this, but i have painted me many a car, and mixed many a can of paint.

My family currently owns a 15,000 sq. ft. collision shop also.

So I am going to clear up a few things.

PEARL is actualy an extremely thin compund that is highly reflective and only in certain colors, the most common ones (blue, silver, red, green, orange, etc.)

it is very thin and chalky and DOES not make paint "sparkle", those are metallic flakes.

PEARL changes the HUE of the color of paint on the entire car.

There are two ways to apply it to paint.

#1 mix pearl with the basecoat

#2 Mix pearl with the clearcoat

Depending on how much pearl you put in the paint, you can either have a paintjob that totally changes colors, or a reflection that is only noticable in bright sunlight.

SO, in the case of "Black Pearl", Kandied is correct, there is not a Black Pearl as in the compund that is mixed INTO paint.

What can be done is mix any of the colors of pearl with black paint and you will have a Black Pearl paintjob. It looks pretty killer and if it is done right, can be one heck of a show stopper.

HOWEVER, if you put too much pearl over black basecoat, it'll look aweful, it won't be black anymore. It is one of the colors where less is more with pearl.

CaysE

So essentially, I should be looking to do a 2-stage job instead of 3 to look really good? Mix black with pearl as stage one and clear on top? I won't be doing this myself, by the way, but I plan on making it perfectly clear to the painter how it should be done.

The end result I'm looking for is a black car with a slightly gold (yellowish-orange or copper I guess) pearlescent hue. I noticed that House of Kolor has a "Shimrin Black Pearl" called Black Gold (PBC102) with the following statement underneath it:
I'll be ordering color chips from them to get a real idea of the color, but is this pretty much all I need to get the look I'm going for? Or should I go 3-stage with another coat of pearl on top of this? The words "show stopper" put a smile on my face, so I'm definitely looking to go that direction.

Kandied91z

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it all depends...some put it in the base color and some put it in the clear. play around and figure out what works for you or talk to your painter and figure out what they are most comfortable with.

paul russell

the new harley davidsons have the black pearl friend of mine bought the "custom special" and the black pearl looks awesome
has a gunmetal look in certian light

IROCFAST

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330hp_91RS is right, you can put it in the base or the clear but quite a few of your factory pearl coats use a mid coat. You can use a binding clear as a mid coat or on custom mixes, we use DBC500 which acts just like a clear base coat. It is great because it is perfecty clear but has a much faster flash time that clear coat and does not cause quite the build up of paint. I prefer to put it in a mid coat because then you can put on as much or a little as you like. You can also put it in your clear coat, but if you do that make sure you put coats of clear without pearl in them over it to allow for a cut and buff. I just painted a 71 chevelle SS a color we custom mixed similar to the truck Copperhead on the Trucks TV show. Our color has more flop in it and has more of a lighter hue in some lights. Anyway I put black SS stipes on it and dusted a very light midcoat of copper pearl on them. The stripes look completely black until you catch them in the sun just right...then BAM!!! there are copper sparkes all over the place, came out great. Depending on how it is applied, the pearl will sparkle in the light, but is much finer than metalic and is of course colored, it also as 330hp_91RS said change the hue in many cases.

grndprixss

i ordered house of kolor graphite pearl, and sprayed it over black, it adds a dark tint, if you mix the pearl in lesser than reccomended mixture it will still be black with a very dark pearl

JeffW

i have the hok color chips here and the black gold as they call it has kinda a graphite look to it not black anymore that is for sure
pb100 black sparkle may be more what you want. you will see with the chips for sure.
HOK does call this black pearl, but it is a pearl added over a black base

i do like however the matalic based that they have you may want to look at those.
jeff

jaxthestar

does anyone have a clear pic of metalic black or black base coat with purple pearl i want to paint my honda prelude but unsure i want a black look but where sun hits i want purple to show through ? and sparkle can you use a pearl and flake in same paintjob ive never chosen paint to paint a car with thanks

jaxthestar

just found this hope it helps someone

http://www.autotraining.edu/blog/3-common-pearl-painting-mistakes/

Yenipenny

Having read this entire "old" thread, I'd like to hopefully add some clarification. First, the modern 3-stage pearls do NOT give you a deep, sparkling shine. As examples, look at the later model white pearls on Cadillacs, Lincolns, Nissan Maximas, etc. The pearl simply add a little reflection in the sun and a lot of chalky/cloudy look.

Even the old style pearl jobs where the powdered pearl was added to clear for the midcoat achieves the same look depending on how much pearl is added. The pure pearls of today are in liquid form and there are many, many OEM colors that add pearls straight to the basecoat for 2-stage paints. In that instance, the pearl is simply a very fine metallic using one of the available pearl colors. In a great number of cases, there are also larger metallic flakes included in the formula.

If you want a black car with some sparkle, the best way to get a deep shine with no clouding, you should add your choice of colored metallic flakes to the first coat of clear. I use the dry metallic flakes that are available in various sizes.

For a more subtle sparkle, but with a small amount of color shift, the size/color of metal flakes can be added to the base coat. The first car I recall doing that on a "black" was the 73/74 Datsun 260Z that used a fine red metallic mixed into the black.

86B4Z

Cadillac has "black diamond". Was a special order color, cant remember code right now. Painter over 15 years.

86B4Z

You dont have to add pearls to clear anymore, just use a binder to create a seperate base.

Ron U.S.M.C.

We used a PPG Crystal Red Pearl in a custom Rally Red and the black racing stripes. Enough to cover properly but still very subtle. It was added to the base. As you walk around the car you can see different parts reflecting the pearl especially in the black. It did not change the color of the black so much as it added a little something to it. From one side it looks pitch black until you move to where light reflects on the pearl.
I can’t get a decent photo showing the peril but you can see a small amount of pearl in a swirl in the black stripes.

Ron U.S.M.C.

I would also like to see some better photos.

punkmaster98

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